Weekend OT
May 16, 2015 8:16 AM - dibs

Do I run the risk of another blowup for reposting another's pic???????

May 16, 2015 8:17 AM - dibs
And the look says "Where the fuck is the food?????"
May 16, 2015 8:19 AM - dibs
I suspect when she is bad, the name might be pronounced differently, with a strong accent on the first syllable.
May 16, 2015 8:20 AM - Deleted
Good Morning Sodomite.
Did you wash the blood from your underwear?

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May 16, 2015 8:26 AM - dibs
I'd paraphrase a great line to respond to you about what can and can't be washed off but I'm above that sort of thing.

Edited by dibs at May 16, 2015 8:31 AM
May 16, 2015 8:27 AM - dibs
Pouring rain here!
May 16, 2015 8:28 AM - petebklyn
we finally had some rain last night.
May 16, 2015 8:29 AM - Deleted
you're not above sucking dick and getting fucked in your ass.
Fire away!

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May 16, 2015 8:29 AM - dibs
Looks like scattered showers all day and night today. The garden in Bucks needs it. Cape hasnt had any rain either.
May 16, 2015 8:32 AM - Slope4Eva
GM. Beautiful cat, Benson. Enjoyed your story yesterday, I'm glad it ended well.
May 16, 2015 8:37 AM - BirdnestHead
Finally! A little rain here. Glad the cat re-appeared, B. They're tricky little things.
May 16, 2015 8:38 AM - Deleted
There's a major drought going on in America, I'm surprised the Media is silent.

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May 16, 2015 8:39 AM - dibs
Funniest part about when cats try to hide on you is that they often don't do a good job belivieng that if they can't see you, then you cant see them.
May 16, 2015 8:40 AM - BoerumHillScott
What, please tone it down.
May 16, 2015 8:40 AM - dibs
You are wrong about that. Not all parts are under drought conditions. Mostly just California.
May 16, 2015 8:46 AM - Deleted
Tone it down huh?
Is this Life In Hell Version of 'Tale of two cites' with out the covert racial undertone?
Oh I see Dave gets to say and do anything he wants, me on the other hand get this bullshit message.
Well Scott you know I the last thing before this whole blog circles the bowl, you will be left with the Sodomite (that's what he is) and that's that.

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May 16, 2015 8:47 AM - Deleted
Don't talk to me, just ignore me like you was doing.

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May 16, 2015 8:47 AM - dibs

Also, midwest corn/wheat growing conditions are largely a function of winter snowfall and there was a lot of that.

Grain prices are all down.

The CA almond crop seems to be bearing the brunt of public criticism, according to the media..
May 16, 2015 8:48 AM - dibs
"Like you was doing"

May 16, 2015 8:49 AM - BirdnestHead
Cats are extremely good at the "I'm not deaf, I'm ignoring you" game.
We're pretty fortunate in the Northeast, it's not that drought-prone here. Still gonna be water shortages soon, will make oil shortages seem irrelevant, much the way AIDS made herpes seem irrelevant.
May 16, 2015 8:49 AM - Deleted

My time is short here, I almost ready to delete my account and leave forever.

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May 16, 2015 8:52 AM - BoerumHillScott
Last warning.

I am tired of the sodomite and other anti-homosexual posts.

If you want to reopen frownstoner, I will put a link to it, but I don't want it on my site.
May 16, 2015 8:55 AM - dibs
It's just revealing of his true character.
May 16, 2015 9:01 AM - Deleted

I'm tired of the Racial and other "Tale of two cites" post too!
What are you gonna do about it, be a Hypocrite like Dave, that showing the true side of you!

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May 16, 2015 9:02 AM - Deleted

Don't ever speak about Frownstoner again, that site was light years ahead of the fucking garbage here!

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May 16, 2015 9:04 AM - Deleted
Do what ever the fuck you want, it will be just Dave, Dave and Dave here!

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May 16, 2015 9:06 AM - Deleted

Did you see this, did you say anything to Dave about you Motherfucker!!!

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May 16, 2015 9:07 AM - BirdnestHead
"The CA almond crop seems to be bearing the brunt of public criticism, according to the media.. "

As usual, the public and the newstertainment industry get focused on a relatively minor aspect of the overall problem.

Population growth in the Southwest. Agribusiness (including almonds) growth and irrigation drain off. Fracking growth. Climate change probably doesn't help, but attempting to reverse it won't make a difference.
May 16, 2015 9:11 AM - BoerumHillScott
Dave, that was pretty horrible thing to say.

Please tone it down.
May 16, 2015 9:13 AM - Deleted

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May 16, 2015 9:21 AM - dibs

May 16, 2015 9:23 AM - BirdnestHead
Going out to do something, later...
May 16, 2015 9:23 AM - DeadCatBounce
Atlanta Fed estimates second quater GDP at 0.7%.
That is a truly horrible number, and reflects a very weak economy.
Unless there is a significant pickup in July through the end of the year
(Which I still think is possible), the US will probably be slipping into recession in 2016.
May 16, 2015 9:24 AM - dibs
I am too. We have to go get cat food. Italian festival is down in Italian Market area but will be too crowded to go to.
May 16, 2015 9:27 AM - dibs
Worst recovery ever, DCB.
May 16, 2015 9:27 AM - Deleted
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May 16, 2015 9:27 AM - dibs
At least it won't be stagflation.
May 16, 2015 9:35 AM - dibs
A third train, an Amtrak Acela from NYC to DC, was also hit by a projectile of some sort the same day.

Edited by dibs at May 16, 2015 9:35 AM
May 16, 2015 9:47 AM - Deleted
I haven't been following the Amtrak story. What's the issue with the projectiles? How do they tie into the derailment? Yes, I could just as easily look this up, but I look to this site to keep me on things!
May 16, 2015 9:50 AM - BoerumHillScott
The projectile thing came up the first day, but was discounted by Amtrak and the NTSB.

Not sure if there is new information now, of the first day stories are getting recirculated.
May 16, 2015 9:53 AM - dibs
They are still really focusing on the speed of the train. A SEPTA train first got hit in the windhield and was actually speaking to the engineer of the Amtrak train about it just before the accident, assording to conversations that the conductor heard between the two of them.

I think it's being discounted as a cause though.
May 16, 2015 9:53 AM - dibs
jinx, Scott
May 16, 2015 9:54 AM - dibs
benson, I'm sure you have learned things here that you never would have learned in the real world, whether you wanted to or not.

May 16, 2015 10:09 AM - dibs
Interesting. Pictures printed on glass…


May 16, 2015 10:10 AM - Deleted
May 16, 2015 10:17 AM - dibs
GM, dh. Do anything fun last night????
May 16, 2015 10:40 AM - Deleted
Nah - Friday nights are chill nights. Lots of cleaning and errands to do today. Wish I had a car !
May 16, 2015 10:40 AM - Deleted
Cat question #1

Is there any way to get them not to meow in the middle of the night, thereby disturbing my sleep?
May 16, 2015 10:51 AM - rf
Zipcar! Or so I've heard.

What's with those tiny little cars that appear to be for short-term rental? Lots of them in my neighborhood.
May 16, 2015 10:53 AM - dibs
They will eventually stop if you ignore them. Best way to acclimate a cat to a new home is to keep him locked up in one room but it may already be too late for that. If he seems fine roaming and exploring, no problem. It's usually what you need to do when there are two pets in the house.

Leave dry food out when you go to bed. It's most likely the food issue or the new environment.

And, like I said, don't start with the treats or they will meow for them either at the time of day you give it to them or, always.

Edited by dibs at May 16, 2015 10:56 AM
May 16, 2015 10:55 AM - dibs
Dryer just went. Initially started for a second and then quit. Circuit is fine. Repairman coming Monday AM. He says easy fix or part order. Going to have him look at the washer and see if it needs anything as it has probably been there since the 80s.

Using Dennis' dryer behind us. Really just have one load until we leave Tuesday afternoon.
May 16, 2015 10:59 AM - dibs
Multiple small switches that could go…


May 16, 2015 11:09 AM - dibs
I was told that my dryer story was fascinating. I'll let you all know what tyhe outcome is on Monday. Stay tuned. Try to enjoy your weekend with the suspense overhanging

Edited by dibs at May 16, 2015 11:10 AM
May 16, 2015 11:18 AM - Deleted
Thanks. Concetta seems to be taking well to our place. She just supervised the delivery of some new furniture.

Only issue is that she seems curious about the elevator door. Got to keep her away when it opens.
May 16, 2015 11:20 AM - dibs
The elevator door opens right into your apt??? Baller.
May 16, 2015 11:28 AM - dibs
And, a curious cat is much nicer to have than one who is skittish of everything.
May 16, 2015 11:31 AM - dibs
Maybe you could take her on your building management trips too.
May 16, 2015 11:53 AM - Deleted
Once you expose a cat to the outdoors, don't they always want to go out?

Hey, where are the cat ladies when I need their help?
May 16, 2015 11:58 AM - dibs
They may or may not. Ours seem to want to go out sometyimes but not always. We only let them out supervised though. Provincetown will require extra supervision with the fox around.
May 16, 2015 1:16 PM - BirdnestHead
Is that .7% number for the quarter, or projected for the year? I only ask cuz .7 for a quarter really isn't that bad.
May 16, 2015 1:21 PM - dibs
Thats the seasonally adjusted ANNUAL rate

May 16, 2015 2:00 PM - pepper
May 16, 2015 2:27 PM - BirdnestHead
OK, well that's not good.
May 16, 2015 2:28 PM - dibs
Have you planted the cukes yet???? mine went in weeks ago on the Cape and last week in Bucks
May 16, 2015 2:34 PM - pepper
No. I haven't planted anything, since I'm not sure if I will be moving or not. I haven't even cleaned up the winter detritus. But it looks so sad out here, I think I will plant a few things.
May 16, 2015 2:47 PM - DeadCatBounce
I planted two kinds of cukes in the Straw Bale Garden last week.
Also Zucchini, Rosemary, 3 kinds of tomatoes and some other Veggies.
Will be there tomorrow, and will try and post some pix.
May 16, 2015 2:51 PM - dibs
My neighbors across the street in P Town are doing straw bales too this year. I'll have to watch the progress
May 16, 2015 3:05 PM - pepper
Cool, DCB.
May 16, 2015 3:06 PM - DeadCatBounce
Despite the fact that I did everything "wrong", the plants seem to be thriving.
May 16, 2015 3:18 PM - BoerumHillScott
I'm tired.
My mother in law is having her wood floors redone, so we got to move everything from the main floor upstairs.
Guess who got to make most of the trips up and down the stairs.
May 16, 2015 3:26 PM - pepper
The guy who runs marathons? ;o)
May 16, 2015 3:27 PM - rf
You're a good son-in-law. No surprise there!

Guess you didn't run the Brooklyn Half-Marathon today.
May 16, 2015 3:35 PM - BoerumHillScott
The Brooklyn Half sold out in 2 days, and I had forgotten to put an alert on my calendar to sign up.

I am kind of bummed since I had run it 3 years in a row.
May 16, 2015 3:41 PM - DeadCatBounce
The start was pretty much right outside my window.
Lots of noise!!!
May 16, 2015 3:58 PM - BoerumHillScott
Last year I think it was the largest half marathon in the country.
Around 26,000 runners in 2 waves.
May 16, 2015 6:26 PM - petebklyn
thanks for the TK, BhS
May 16, 2015 7:20 PM - rf
Dave, next time maybe you should take the bus.

Objects Hit Trains So Often There’s Term for It: Getting Rocked
The possibility that an object hit the train moments before it lurched off the rails Tuesday has unnerved riders, but officials say it is a longstanding problem for the country’s rail systems.

May 16, 2015 9:13 PM - pepper
More rain.
May 16, 2015 9:15 PM - BirdnestHead
May 16, 2015 9:15 PM - BirdnestHead
Hi Pepper! 'Sup?
May 16, 2015 9:19 PM - pepper
Hi! Not much. Just chillin'. You?
May 16, 2015 9:19 PM - BirdnestHead
Ha. Went out, saw the short folk, had dinner. I see the Mets scored 10 runs in the 4th inning earlier. More than they've scored in the last week and a half.
May 16, 2015 9:21 PM - BirdnestHead
Home, time to nap 'til morning. Softball tomorrow morning. Glad for the rain, I can feel my lungs and eyes starting to recover from the pollen.
May 16, 2015 9:23 PM - pepper
Go Mets! What's their current standing, after getting spanked at Wrigley?
May 16, 2015 9:44 PM - BirdnestHead
Got blown out by the Brewers last night at Shea, tonight they're kicking the Brewers collective ass. They're still in 1st place in National League East, 1/2 game ahead of the Washington Nationals.
Edited by BirdnestHead at May 16, 2015 9:45 PM
May 16, 2015 10:00 PM - pepper
Not bad! Hope they keep it up.
May 16, 2015 10:11 PM - Deleted
President Obama comments on Christian's concern for the poor, and fortunately the Weekly Standard (a Jewish conservative magazine) takes him to task:


May I ask a few questions?

-How is it that the President can't bring himself to pronounce the words "Islamic Extremism", but has no issue criticizing Christianity, sometimes reaching back to episodes centuries old?

-What happened to the separation of church and state in this case? Is it really the president's role to pass judgment on what any religion considers to be the pressing issues of the day?

-And what is the president's suggestion to Christians in this particular case? Read it for yourself and you will be shocked, shocked to learn that they should march in step with the priorities of the Democratic party. How about that!!!! Amazing!!

I will say this: there is a growing intolerance among our cultural elites. They are riding high these days, but things have a funny way of turning out.
Edited by Deleted at May 16, 2015 10:13 PM
May 16, 2015 10:51 PM - rf
Benson, did you see the link I posted yesterday?

Historian Says Don't 'Sanitize' How Our Government Created Ghettos
Fifty years after the repeal of Jim Crow, many African-Americans still live in segregated ghettos in the country's metropolitan areas. Richard Rothstein, a research associate at the Economic Policy Institute, has spent years studying the history of residential segregation in America.

"We have a myth today that the ghettos in metropolitan areas around the country are what the Supreme Court calls 'de-facto' — just the accident of the fact that people have not enough income to move into middle class neighborhoods or because real estate agents steered black and white families to different neighborhoods or because there was white flight," Rothstein tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross.

"It was not the unintended effect of benign policies," he says. "It was an explicit, racially purposeful policy that was pursued at all levels of government, and that's the reason we have these ghettos today and we are reaping the fruits of those policies."
May 16, 2015 10:59 PM - Deleted

It is one man's opinion, and I disagree with it. But I do appreciate his inadvertantly making the case for smaller, limited government.
May 17, 2015 5:51 AM - DeadCatBounce
Rhombae of the world unite!
I made the same point about the Federal govt yesterday, in regard to the rf article.
May 17, 2015 5:55 AM - DeadCatBounce
Remember the bakery Pomme?
Went to a birthday party last night for Mme de Pomme at the guitar school on 4th Av.
Then drove to CT.
Going back to sleep.
May 17, 2015 8:18 AM - dibs
May 17, 2015 8:28 AM - Partridge
May 17, 2015 8:54 AM - petebklyn
May 17, 2015 8:54 AM - rf
Opinion? He is a historian and researched facts.
May 17, 2015 8:57 AM - dibs
His conclusions are opinions, interpretations of what he perceived.
May 17, 2015 9:01 AM - rf
Obviously no one listened to the story.
May 17, 2015 9:06 AM - DeadCatBounce
Actually, I liked the way the author differentiated between opinion and fact.
Unusual for an Academic zealot.
Edited at May 17, 2015 9:06 AM
May 17, 2015 9:07 AM - DeadCatBounce
Hey rf. I listened to it!
May 17, 2015 9:12 AM - DeadCatBounce
Benson, I also thought the article you posted made excellent points.
Especially thoughtful was the way the author talked about individual initiatives as well as facts and figures on how much money actually comes from Christian charities to address poverty.
May 17, 2015 9:15 AM - petebklyn
this is probably going to get a few talking heads chattering:
Pope Francis praised Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, as an “angel of peace” during a meeting at the Vatican on Saturday. The Vatican also expressed hope that Israel and the Palestinians would resume talks “to find a just and lasting solution to the conflict” that has roiled the Middle East for decades.

The encounter came days after the Vatican announced that it would sign a treaty recognizing the “state of Palestine,” tacitly endorsing the Palestinians’ bid for sovereignty.
May 17, 2015 9:22 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Attn MM - are you commenting on Ditmas Park Corner under your government name? Someone is.
May 17, 2015 9:33 AM - Deleted

The man recounts various facts, all of which were previously known. His conclusion, the passage you cited, is an opinion. Somehow, he believes that throwing these disparate facts together makes a clear case for his opinion, and I disagree.

Any analysis that tries to make the case that the present-day ghetto is solely due to economic and governmental policies is simply not based in reality. To not account for the social and cultural factors - particularly the rise of single mothers and the lack of strong father figures - is poor scholarship.
May 17, 2015 9:44 AM - dibs
"Somehow, he believes that throwing these disparate facts together makes a clear case for his opinion, and I disagree."

May 17, 2015 10:01 AM - Montrose Morris

Six, I was in NYC all day yesterday. I wasn't posting anywhere. I'll check it out, and write to the blog owner to take it down.

Cute cat, Benson. She'll have you trained in no time.
May 17, 2015 10:06 AM - Montrose Morris
You are, of course, both wrong. His piece only told a small portion of the story, but it was a start. I didn't see where he said that " the present-day ghetto is solely due to economic and governmental policies." But then, it's always easier to blame any group or segment of society that has troubles solely on those members themselves, and take proven policies or incidents of institutionalized racism, sexism, etc as mere anecdotes.
May 17, 2015 10:09 AM - Montrose Morris
Six, can you point me to where this person commented? I can't find it.
May 17, 2015 10:12 AM - Deleted
Jeremiah 30.3

For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

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May 17, 2015 10:14 AM - Deleted
Montrose wrote: " I didn't see where he said that " the present-day ghetto is solely due to economic and governmental policies." "

Here is the author's conclusion:

"It was an explicit, racially purposeful policy that was pursued at all levels of government, and that's the reason we have these ghettos today and we are reaping the fruits of those policies."

Montrose wrote: "it's always easier to blame any group or segment of society that has troubles solely on those members themselves, and take proven policies or incidents of institutionalized racism, sexism, etc as mere anecdotes. "

Here is what I wrote: "The man recounts various facts"
May 17, 2015 10:15 AM - dibs
Jeremiah 30.3

For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

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DIBS 20:5

Go fuketh thyself

Edited by dibs at May 17, 2015 10:16 AM
May 17, 2015 10:18 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Braceth thy anus!
May 17, 2015 10:26 AM - Deleted
Newsflash! President Obama, grand-mystic-overseer of all man's affairs, has deigned that the following passage shall be stricken from the 10 Commandments:

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

"I'm taking this action", said President Obama, "because it's obvious that God didn't understand the plight of the poor when he proclaimed it."

May 17, 2015 10:38 AM - Deleted
Catholic Church sexual abuse cases
The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of allegations, investigations, trials, and convictions of child sexual abuse crimes committed by Catholic priests, nuns, and members of Roman Catholic orders against boys and girls as young as 3 years old, with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.

The accusations first began to receive wide publicity in the late 1980s; many span several decades, and were brought forward years after the abuse occurred. Cases have also been brought against members of the Catholic hierarchy who did not report sex abuse allegations to the legal authorities. It was shown that they deliberately moved sexually abusive priests to other parishes, where the abuse sometimes continued.This led to a number of fraud cases, in which the Roman Catholic Church was accused of misleading victims by deliberately relocating priests accused of abuse, instead of removing them from their positions.

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Edited by Deleted at May 17, 2015 10:39 AM
May 17, 2015 10:40 AM - Deleted
Oh wow. What recounts history of recent scandal. Gee whiz.
May 17, 2015 10:42 AM - Deleted
Catholic pedipile statue

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May 17, 2015 10:46 AM - Deleted
So that mean you condone Catholic Priest Raping Children, right Benson?

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May 17, 2015 10:46 AM - Deleted
"Catholic pedipile statue"

I'm disappointed. I thought we were going to see a pedophile.

May 17, 2015 10:47 AM - Deleted
"So that mean you condone Catholic Priest Raping Children, right Benson?"


May 17, 2015 10:49 AM - Slope4Eva
Those damn "pedipiles".
May 17, 2015 10:57 AM - dibs
Are they something you get on your feet?

May 17, 2015 10:59 AM - Slope4Eva
Must be hemorrhoids on your feet. Never heard of it though.
May 17, 2015 11:10 AM - Montrose Morris
Thanks, Six. I wrote them.

Not arguing politics today, it's too nice out, and I'm not going to change anyone's mind. I think you are missing the point, and taking the usual conservative tack that the problems of the poor, of minorities, of anyone who hasn't made it is 90% on them. You totally disregard the fact that the playing field is not, and has never been equal, and the race is flawed from the get go.

Of course, there are those remarkable individuals that succeed in spite of that, but they are as exceptional as supermodels amongst the general population. They do not represent anywhere near the majority, and have achieved a status that most just cannot equal. Do I think the gobment should "fix" it for them? I think we could do better to allow people to fix it for themselves. But agreeing that opportunities have never been equal to begin with is a good start. If we can't agree on that, then nothing much will ever happen.

If there were no segregation policies, if blacks and other minorities were allowed to live in the Levittowns and Peter Stuyvesant houses of this country after WWII, if they had been allowed all of the privileges of the GI Bill, that would have gone a long way to help create a middle class that was more equal.

But we weren't, and a simple admission that gov't policies, both federal and local, helped create inner city neighborhoods is only that, an admission that institutional racism played an important role in creating the conditions that people are struggling to get out of today. Of course other factors, and personal choices have consequence, but history has a big part to play here. Nothing, not even poverty, happens in a vacuum.
May 17, 2015 11:13 AM - Montrose Morris
I think a statue, taken at an unflattering angle, is "proof" of nothing. The vast majority of Catholic priests and clergy are not pedophiles. No one likes to have a tiny minority of people doing wrong represent the entire group. It's unfair and incorrect, to say the least.
May 17, 2015 11:14 AM - Deleted
"Not arguing politics today"

Could have fooled me!
May 17, 2015 11:44 AM - DeadCatBounce
Levittown excluded Jews as well, even though the Levitts were Jewish themselves.
And the author of the article, Jewish himself, failed to mention this, which I find vaguely disquieting.
May 17, 2015 12:00 PM - rf
Levitt excluded Jews from one of his earliest projects but not for the big later ones.
May 17, 2015 12:08 PM - pepper
May 17, 2015 12:12 PM - dibs
GA. Headed to brunch shortly with Bob & Karen.
May 17, 2015 12:16 PM - rf
Ugh. Kind of muggy.

BBQing at the community garden later.
May 17, 2015 2:30 PM - pepper
Yeah, it's pretty warm out.
May 17, 2015 2:44 PM - BirdnestHead
Hi MM.
I particularly love the trickle-downists favorite analogy: "A rising tide lifts all boats."

To which I reply: "No, it only lifts boats that are in the water."

The "water" being the all-white "old boys network".
May 17, 2015 4:51 PM - Deleted

Interesting. Let's have a reality check, shall we?

-the city of Baltimore has been a Democratic enterprise for over 50 years. The last Republican member of their city council was elected in 1939. More broadly speaking, the vast majority of inner cities are monolithic Democratic enterprises, and have been so since WWII.

-the mayor of Baltimore is black, as is the police chief and the majority of city council members. In fact, the majority of residents are black and thereby can exercise predominant political power. Under their watch, the city was given something like $1.8 billion dollars in stimulus money (and in case you've forgotten, the stimulus was the brainchild of a black president). How was that money spent? Was it effectively used to improve the life of its residents? Who is accountable for how that money was spent?

-what is the accountability of Baltimore's political leaders in general? Do they have any responsibility for the situation there?

But please, keep up with "The Man" talk. Fifty years of that sort of thing has worked wonders.
May 17, 2015 5:43 PM - DeadCatBounce
First harvest from the straw bale garden: Chinese broccoli and Pak Choi.
May 17, 2015 6:07 PM - DeadCatBounce
I grew this tomato from seed in the basement. Planted it two weeks ago and it was a seedling. The growth rate has been unbelievable.
The plant to the left is a bush pickle type of cucumber. Also thriving.
May 17, 2015 6:12 PM - DeadCatBounce
On the other hand, these red cabbages purchased from the local nursery, are not doing well at all. No idea why.
May 17, 2015 7:45 PM - DeadCatBounce
My first thread killer.
Acheived exclusively w Vegetablfes.
May 17, 2015 7:50 PM - Partridge
May 17, 2015 7:52 PM - pepper
Cool DCB. Why hay bales?
May 17, 2015 8:07 PM - DeadCatBounce
Actually straw bales. I read a book about it. Advantages:

1. No weeding (this one did not work out because the straw i bought had seed heads - oops)

2. No over or under watering. The straw absorbs and holds water, and releases it to the roots as they need it.

3. No crop rotation.

4. Raised up for ease of working.

5. Generates heat in the Spring so plants get a head start.

6. Many pest critters avoid the straw, so plants stay healthier.

May 17, 2015 8:10 PM - pepper
Interesting. And no dirt whatsoever. Just plant in straw and wait?
May 17, 2015 8:52 PM - BirdnestHead
Don't know why you think I was referring to Baltimore or Democrats or Republicans.

I know you're a self-made man, who has achieved your success solely through your own hard work and strength of character, with no help from anyone, and kudos to you! You're one in a thousand. Literally. I guess anyone who has ever needed a helping hand is just morally reprehensible and stupid and lazy and should just be left to starve to death in squalor.
May 17, 2015 9:25 PM - Deleted

I'm not going to reduce this discussion to a personal level, but I'll address just one point you made about me. I do not consider myself self-made, in that I was able to go to a first-rate high school, college and grad school at no expense to myself, but due to the beneficence of people before me.

To your point about a helping hand: who argues against it? The question is one of effectiveness. We've had 50 years of Great Society programs costing trillions of dollars, administered through Democratic governments in the inner cities. We've coupled that with a narrative (which you reiterated above) of grievance, that the deck is overwhelmingly stacked against them, no matter how many political gains are made.

And what has been the result, after more than 50 years of this approach? So I ask you: are you interested in moral preening (which is what you were trying to do with your comments about me), or are you interested in effectiveness?
Edited by Deleted at May 17, 2015 9:27 PM
May 17, 2015 9:40 PM - BirdnestHead
If you were accepted to the salt mine I work at, and you're not Asian, I guarantee you've been the beneficiary of some ethnic quota policies.

Just sayin'.
May 17, 2015 10:12 PM - Deleted
"If you were accepted to the salt mine I work at, and you're not Asian, I guarantee you've been the beneficiary of some ethnic quota policies."

At the time I went there, the overwhelming majority of students were working-class Jewish, Italian and Irish kids from the outer boroughs. Chinese accounted for about 15% of the engineering population at that time.

May 17, 2015 10:57 PM - ij
I went to the New York Botanical Garden this weekend for the first time. It was like the total antithesis to every contemporary norm. Just hang out in a small field all day and garden. The world can fuck itself. It was pretty appealing.

I witnessed the most uncomfortable social interaction ever today. My nonprofit had its annual meeting. There were three candidates for the board. During the discussion period one longtime member got up and spoke against one of the three, saying they'd sent angry emails to various people he knew. The discussion devolved into yea or nay for the lone person.

"You're above reproach," someone said to me. "You count the votes." Based on one slanderous speech, in front of 70 persons who've known both for at least 10 years, they were ruled out.

On the subway back we agreed, the most uncomfortable situation ever even as adults. I'm still totally pissed about it, as you might tell.
May 17, 2015 11:49 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Benson, I agree that there's plenty of municipal mismanagement in the country, but the problem with blaming a city's problems entirely on its residents and politicians is that a city is also affected by what happens around it. When the tax base flees to the suburbs there's not much anyone can do.