Thursday Open Thread
June 14, 2012 8:11 AM - CGar

410 comments
June 14, 2012 8:35 AM - Arkady
pete - Young people get up at the crack, others creak.
I'm out for the day. Everybody have fun & try to get along!
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#1
June 14, 2012 8:41 AM - dibs
Technical Analysis 101

You all can basically visualize what a head and shoulders look like, right


. ^ .
^ ^

(Hope that shows up the way I posted it)

So the market has recently formed a very nice UPSIDE DOWN head and shoulders...see graph.

If you had a normal head and shoulders, the market would break to the downside of the right shoulder but when you have an upside down or inverted H&S, it indicates that the market should break out to the UPSIDE.


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#2
June 14, 2012 8:47 AM - dibs
"You should approach NYU's School of Continuing and Professional Studies. From what I see, NYU has the most comprehensive schoolf of this type. Moreover, they do have a course of studies called "Personal Finance". They have a course called "Fundqamentals of Individual Investing" and the catalog states that it is intended for the novice investor.

THe other good thing about NYU's SPCS is that it tends to attract motivated students,"

Thanks benson. But that would mean that their needs in this area are covered.
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#3
June 14, 2012 8:48 AM - dibs
Did everyone watch Dallas last night??? More drama than here. Who can make up this stuff????
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#4
June 14, 2012 8:52 AM - Slope4Eva
I recorded it, Dave. Is it worth watching, guilty pleasure, etc.?
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#5
June 14, 2012 8:53 AM - dibs
Yes, trash TV.
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#6
June 14, 2012 8:56 AM - Slope4Eva
Ooooo, goody.
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#7
June 14, 2012 8:59 AM - dibs
Somebody won Powerball
#8
June 14, 2012 9:11 AM - DeLepp
The house on southfork is small. Suffocating by todays standards.
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#9
June 14, 2012 9:13 AM - dibs
I think you're right, DeLepp. The diffference between "old money" and "new Money" is that the latter usually have more of it!!!!!!
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#10
June 14, 2012 9:14 AM - dibs
I was also hoping for more Latinos on the show. We did see that one member of the staff (nh) deliver a message to John Ross
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:14 AM
#11
June 14, 2012 9:25 AM - DeLepp
yea most of the latinos are girls so far.
#12
June 14, 2012 9:27 AM - dibs
Ewwwwwwwwww
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#13
June 14, 2012 9:33 AM - bxgrl
Dave- i found the perfect cat for you.
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#14
June 14, 2012 9:34 AM - Slope4Eva
Ewwwwww, lol. Come on, can you really not appreciate a beautiful woman? If you can, who? Just curious.
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#15
June 14, 2012 9:35 AM - Slope4Eva
GM, Bxgrl, those drinks hit the spot last night. I wish I would have stayed on a little longer, I would have loved for Partridge to elaborate on her last post, maybe she will later, maybe she was just kidding around.
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#16
June 14, 2012 9:35 AM - dibs
LOL, bxgrl, our cat Howard has a sombrero that I brought back from Mexico for him
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#17
June 14, 2012 9:38 AM - CGar
"pete - Young people get up at the crack"

dave also gets up at the crack.
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#18
June 14, 2012 9:40 AM - CGar
"Just curious."

But, are you PBR curious, Eva??? (Or brownie curious in m4l's case.)
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#19
June 14, 2012 9:41 AM - bxgrl
Indeed, eva. And I have a virtual hangover from all the drinking :)
#20
June 14, 2012 9:41 AM - Partridge
" I would have loved for Partridge to elaborate on her last post, maybe she will later, maybe she was just kidding around."

I can't be asked to kiss and tell.

GM, all.

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#21
June 14, 2012 9:41 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Dave, can you take a look at this recipe for me and tell me what cheese you think would be a good substitute for the ricotta?

http://tinyurl.com/6xomvw
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:41 AM
#22
June 14, 2012 9:42 AM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: The Beach is open...
The Gate is fixed!
frownstoner.com----->

SDFL
Someday this war is gonna end....
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:42 AM
#23
June 14, 2012 9:42 AM - CGar
I started to watch Dallas. I taped it too. In many ways, they didn't skip a beat. Linda Gray looks great. Don't recall how the series ended in 1991 (when DH was 5), but I thought Bobby and Pam were still together, so I don't know where this new wife comes from.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:42 AM
#24
June 14, 2012 9:42 AM - bxgrl
Don't like girls, dibs? I have a cat for that.
#25
June 14, 2012 9:42 AM - Slope4Eva
I knew the minute I pressed "post", I should have been more specific. Let's say, brownie curious. I never did figure out what PBR stood for. Do I want to know? At my age, I think of Pabst Blue Ribbon.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:42 AM
#26
June 14, 2012 9:44 AM - DeLepp
c-gar, pam blew up in car accident in late 80s. Don't you remember priscilla presley(b4 scary plastic surgery) as jenna?
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#27
June 14, 2012 9:44 AM - bxgrl
Snaps- how are you?
#28
June 14, 2012 9:45 AM - dibs
For a frittata, anything will work...gruyere probably the best, swiss
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#29
June 14, 2012 9:45 AM - Slope4Eva
I can't remember how it ended either CGar. Dave were there some flashbacks?
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#30
June 14, 2012 9:45 AM - Slope4Eva
I can't remember how it ended either CGar. Dave were there some flashbacks?
#31
June 14, 2012 9:45 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Howdy, Bxgirl. Worn out and being smothered by a certain kitty, but hanging in there :-)
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#32
June 14, 2012 9:46 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Thanks, Dave.
#33
June 14, 2012 9:46 AM - bxgrl
Priscilla Presley used to be so beautiful. I can't believe she let some fake doctor put that stuff in her face.
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#34
June 14, 2012 9:46 AM - Slope4Eva
Looks like I'm having some flashbacks.
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#35
June 14, 2012 9:47 AM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: Snappy did you watch the movie?

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
#36
June 14, 2012 9:49 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Not yet, What. But I did wanna ask you, are you vegan?
#37
June 14, 2012 9:49 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I think I'll cue it up this afternoon and watch it.
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#38
June 14, 2012 9:57 AM - bxgrl
Snappy- were you ever tested for gluten allergies or celiac disease?
#39
June 14, 2012 9:58 AM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Not yet, What. But I did wanna ask you, are you vegan?"

No, I love Mac n Cheese, put butter on my Potatoes and Milk in my Coffee!

I had some problems years ago and went the Veggie route, I lost 15 pounds in one month..

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:58 AM
#40
June 14, 2012 9:59 AM - dibs
Did the veggie route actually cure the problems??? Were they simple GI problems????
#41
June 14, 2012 10:01 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I've been tested for so many things, I've lost count!

What, I think I could potentially let go of most meats (not a big red meat eater anyway) but fish and bacon....that could be way too hard for me. Wait...do you consider fish to be acceptable?
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:01 AM
#42
June 14, 2012 10:01 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
And what do you do for protein?
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#43
June 14, 2012 10:03 AM - Deleted
"But that would mean that their needs in this area are covered."

DIBS;

I wouldn't assume that. THey have multiple instructors for each field of study.

.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:03 AM
#44
June 14, 2012 10:04 AM - Slope4Eva
Snappy, I'm going to guess you can't eat ice cream, if you can't eat cheese? Did you see Burger King's new sundae? A strip of bacon in it.
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#45
June 14, 2012 10:06 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I can eat cheese...it's just that me and ricotta are enemies...makes me very very ill. Other cheeses I'm fine with. I can eat ice cream, just not a big fan of it. The few times I buy it, I eat one or two spoonfulls then it winds up sitting ignored in the freezer for months on end. For me, icecream is a very rare craving. And putting bacon in icecream is a horrible way to ruin a perfectly good piece of bacon!
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:06 AM
#46
June 14, 2012 10:07 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Oh, and that sundae wouldn't pass my lips anyway...I hate chocolate, fudge, etc.
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#47
June 14, 2012 10:07 AM - bxgrl
I agree with benson, dibs, even suggested NYU yesterday when you first posted your question.with your experience and background, I think NYU would jump at the chance.
#48
June 14, 2012 10:09 AM - bxgrl
You see, eva- as much as we all LOVE LOVE LOVE snappy, we have to admit she has certain...er...oddities of behavior that defy comprehension. I refer to her hate chocolate comment. And her love of glitter. But, oh nevermind....you'll find out. :)
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:09 AM
#49
June 14, 2012 10:10 AM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Did the veggie route actually cure the problems??? Were they simple GI problems????"

Bingo! I was having some GI issues and the diet cured everything!

Why I'm discussing this here???

Come to The Beach!----->

I can post the excerpts of the movie there--->

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:10 AM
#50
June 14, 2012 10:10 AM - Slope4Eva
Well, I love ice cream, bacon, and chocolate. But, I also, will not try this, sounds gross.
Glad you are feeling a little better today.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:10 AM
#51
June 14, 2012 10:11 AM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Wait...do you consider fish to be acceptable?"
Well I gave up on meat (NH) but, will have some fish now and then.

The Beach is open---->
frownstoner.com

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:11 AM
#52
June 14, 2012 10:12 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
LOL, Bxgirl!

What, I'm sorry I won't be able to visit you there. I simply cannot/will not be anywhere Rob is.

Thanks, Eva.

Speaking of, it's med time - yay for more steroids (Not). We'll see how long the jimmy legs last today. Be back later.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:12 AM
#53
June 14, 2012 10:17 AM - bxgrl
Snaps- you need anything? We'll be out and about later.
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#54
June 14, 2012 10:19 AM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: I understand..
I can Firewall of parts of The beach...
Just let me know...

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:19 AM
#55
June 14, 2012 10:22 AM - Deleted
One of the classes I'm taking right now is on NYC landlord-tenant law, with a particular emphasis on rent stablization. One of the documents I read was sort of the "mission statement" of the rent control board.

They state that one of their missions is to preserve affordability of the rental stock. To support this point, they display the following statistics, which come from the US census:

-In 1970, the MEDIAN percent of gross income paid to rent for all renters in NYC was 20%, whereas it was 22% for renters in rent-stabilized apartments.

-In 1981, the median percent of gross income paid to rent for all renters in NYC was 27%, whereas it was 29% for renters in rent-stabilized apartments.

-In 2008, the median percent of gross income paid to rent for all renters in NYC climbed up to 32%, for all renters as well as renters in rent-stabilized apartments.

Two observations:

a) here is classic big-government rationalization. Rent-stabilization has obviously failed in its mission, but this very failure is taken as the rationale for more of the same. This is exactly how the old welfare system used to be rationalized.

b) at some point, affordability is going to either choke off growth in this city, or (hopefully) people will wake up and change the political order of the day. Two things need to happen: i) the anti-growth forces (NIMBY's, preservationists, "community groups") need to be pushed back and ii) the city needs to reform its regulations, zoning, etc to allow the private sector to increase the supply of new housing. Even during the boom years of 5 years ago, the private sector was only adding about 40,000 units per year, roughly 1.3% of the existing housing stock.
#56
June 14, 2012 10:33 AM - dibs
Benson...baby steps. Let's first tackle the onerous brunch laws......

The movement to legalize Sunday morning brunch on New York City sidewalks took a step forward on Wednesday.

Three City Council members introduced a bill that would allow restaurants to start serving diners at sidewalk tables at 10 a.m., two hours earlier than the law currently allows.

Many restaurants have violated the obscure restriction, tucked inside the city code, which has not been widely enforced.



http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/bill-introduced-to-legalize-sunday-morning-brunch/?ref=nyregion
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#57
June 14, 2012 10:38 AM - Kensingtonian
I have been to a bunch of places that set up outdoor seating way earlier than noon. Didn't realize there was a law about that.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:38 AM
#58
June 14, 2012 10:40 AM - Slope4Eva
Can you serve mimosas and bloody mary's before noon on a Sunday?
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#59
June 14, 2012 10:41 AM - kazootite
Dave I had been thinking about a week ago (before you posted your desire (nh), that you would be a good teacher.
#60
June 14, 2012 10:43 AM - Slope4Eva
Benson, I thought I misread your post (%'s) I had to reread the first bullet. What a mess.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:43 AM
#61
June 14, 2012 10:44 AM - kazootite
"I understand.."

What, you are an understanding man!
#62
June 14, 2012 10:44 AM - Deleted
Benson. I don't think those stats prove what you think they do.
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#63
June 14, 2012 10:46 AM - bxgrl
I think lack of affordability will hinder, not help the city. The "anti-growth forces" as you call them have actually helped stabilize neighborhoods and maintain property values. As we've seen, often that means prices go up and apartments become less affordable- or closer to market value?- so it seems to me that you would support the preservationists if you want to see more housing at market value. certainly that has happened in BH, Park Slope and most definitely, is happening in CHN.

Private developers are not about affordability. One reason why the city regulates them. lack of affordability creates a huge imbalance in cities. Not to go all Jane Jacobs on you, but without affordable housing, the middle and working classes have no place to go. And they are the people that form the support for the so-called 1%. The admin ass'ts, the office cleaners, the wait staff, the doormen, the secretaries, the court reporters, the file clerks, etc.
#64
June 14, 2012 10:48 AM - dibs
Actually, all it proves is that Rs tenants pay a higher % of their income for rent, mosat likely because their income levels are lower than those in market rate apts.

I'm not sure if I'm for the phasing out of RS apartments or not but WHAT I AM FOR is some sort of MEANS TESTING of whether these people deserve them or not.
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#65
June 14, 2012 10:51 AM - kazootite
I'll be out almost all day- taking my mom to medical appointments, etc.
Have a good day, everyone!
#66
June 14, 2012 10:51 AM - Deleted
My place is actually RS. Landlord opted not to raise rent at all.
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#67
June 14, 2012 10:52 AM - bxgrl
I agree, dave. There should be some way of determining if the people getting a rent-stabilized apartment really need it. I've known quite a few people who were making very very good money, in rent stabilzed or rent-controlled palces and it totally undercuts the rationale for them.
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#68
June 14, 2012 10:52 AM - Slope4Eva
Catch you later, Kazoo, hope all goes well.
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#69
June 14, 2012 10:53 AM - kazootite
Thank you, Eva- hold down the fort here.
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#70
June 14, 2012 10:54 AM - Slope4Eva
Same with the welfare system. I've said it before, I know a family who has absolutly no reason whatsoever to be on welfare. They are just lazy, plain and simple.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:54 AM
#71
June 14, 2012 10:55 AM - Slope4Eva
Oh no, Kazoo, I want responsibility for this crowd, lol.
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#72
June 14, 2012 10:55 AM - Slope4Eva
NO RESPONSIBILITY!!

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#73
June 14, 2012 10:55 AM - Deleted
I agree dibs. One disqualifier should be if u own any property elsewhere. Too bad issue is too politicized.
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#74
June 14, 2012 10:56 AM - bxgrl
Good luck today, kazoo.
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#75
June 14, 2012 10:56 AM - Deleted
Bxgrl;

Economists disagree on many things, but one area in which there is none is the LAW of supply and demand. Note that it is called a law, because it is a fact of life. If you increase the demand for something but hold the supply constant, prices will go up.

This city does everything to hinder new supply which could alleviate the rising demand. By freezing the housing stock in many areas that are close to the central business district, preservation laws are worsening the affordability problem.


Edited at June 14, 2012 10:56 AM
#76
June 14, 2012 11:04 AM - dibs
I was all set to become a subscriber to a financial database called Intrinsic BUT THEY DON'T RUN ON A MAC.

What a dumbass business model.
#77
June 14, 2012 11:05 AM - bxgrl
But benson, affordable housing is much more than just the law of supply and demand. It factors in so many other things and one of the problems is that private developers only want to build high end housing. So prices don[t come down and even with a greater supply, the interest isn't in affordability- it's in maximizing profit. So what happens is whether or not you're building new or preserving and renovating old, it just seems to me nothing changes. Because developers aren't looking to rent to the middle class or working class. Just my take on it- and I am seeing it in my neighborhood.


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#78
June 14, 2012 11:07 AM - bxgrl
That is dumb, dibs. Pretty surprising too.
#79
June 14, 2012 11:07 AM - dibs
We need more affordable housing to allow hot hustlers to live closer to me. Most of them live in The Bronx or Queens
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#80
June 14, 2012 11:08 AM - Deleted
Let me also state that rent stabilization laws also worsen the affordability problem by hindering new supply. The average payout a landlord must give to a rent-stabilized tenant to move out is on the order of 50K.

Let's see how all of these forces work, and I'll take a specific example: Propsect Park West between about 11th street and 15th Street. Filled with 4 story walk-ups and mainly rent stabilized apartments. Thanks to preservation laws, these buildings, which, imo, are butt-ugly anyway, cannot be knocked down. Even if they were not under the preservation laws, it would be just too damn expensive to buy-out the tenants.

Prior to these ridiulous laws, 12 story buildings were being put up on PPW (further north), as they should be, to take advantage of the park views. If these buildings on PPW from 11th St to 15th were knocked down and 12 story luxury buildings put up, it would help relieve the price pressure on middle-class areas that are gentrifying and becoming unaffordable.
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#81
June 14, 2012 11:08 AM - dibs
Very surprising. i was willing to pay for this service in lieu of my Bloomberg, which is too expensive.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:08 AM
#82
June 14, 2012 11:09 AM - MontroseMorris
"the anti-growth forces (NIMBY's, preservationists, "community groups")"

I'm sorry, but that's just sensationalistic, sound-bite, kind of over-simplification. What makes "community groups" worthy of ""? Are you saying they don't have the interests of the community in mind? Or are not legitimate groups? Who are you talking about, anyway?

Preservation is not anti-growth. That's been shown time and time again, whether you choose to believe it or not. Landmarking does not prevent building, and it certainly doesn't prevent the rehabbing and re-use of existing buildings. Have you been drinking the REBNY kool-aid, which would allow developers to do whatever the hell they want, in the name of providing housing? Whenever that has happened, throughout the city, we get either tons of so-called "luxury" crap, or fugly, badly constructed infill housing. THere are very few developers, large or small, who really care about what they are building. It's just about the money. One needs only look at Williamsburg/Greenpoint and the South Slope to see that, followed by a tour of "affordable housing" in Bushwick, and the side streets of Bed Stuy.

I think RC laws need to be tweaked, and like Dave and Bxgrl (an unholy alliance if there ever was one) are right about means tests, but let's not blame preservationists for the housing shortage in NYC, that's utter nonsense, when only 3% of the city is actually landmarked.
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#83
June 14, 2012 11:10 AM - bxgrl
I have a feeling this article is something rob would love:

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/05/does-organic-foods-make-jerks-out-of-people/
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:10 AM
#84
June 14, 2012 11:13 AM - dibs
There is a very interesting battle going on in the Mitchell-Lama Cadman Towers building. There's an offering proposal to privatize it. It becomes very complicated as the tax abatement goes away, the units can be sold at market but with a 40% flip tax for the first sale coming out of the M-L program and no more low interest loans.

If not enough people actually sell their units once it's privatized, not enough flip tax revenue is generated and the monthly CCs go up a lot. RE taxes will rise 7 fold.

There doesn't seem to be enough information (other than the 500 page prospectus) for the residents and there seems to be politics inviolved with the management (surprise!!!!!!!)
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:15 AM
#85
June 14, 2012 11:13 AM - MontroseMorris
"Thanks to preservation laws, these buildings, which, imo, are butt-ugly anyway, cannot be knocked down."

That's just YOUR opinion, and since all of those buildings are full of people, and always full, obviously there is a viable market for those apartments. Leave em alone.

"If these buildings on PPW from 11th St to 15th were knocked down and 12 story luxury buildings put up, it would help relieve the price pressure on middle-class areas that are gentrifying and becoming unaffordable."

Absurd. Trickle down housing. "If we build more for the rich, they will move out and make room for the less rich." When has that EVER happened?
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:13 AM
#86
June 14, 2012 11:14 AM - Deleted
Montrose;

The 3% figure is a canard. Take away the outer reaches of the city (Southern Brooklyn; all of eastern Queens; all of Staten Island; all of the Bronx and Manhattan above 96th). NOW tell me what percentage of the land is landmarked.

Fifteen pecent of the building lots in Manhattan below 96th Street are landmarked. That is a significant number.


#87
June 14, 2012 11:16 AM - dibs
Canard Line or Canard duck????
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#88
June 14, 2012 11:23 AM - Deleted
How come close to 5k units of housing have been added to my neighborhood and rents have continued to skyrocket?
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:23 AM
#89
June 14, 2012 11:24 AM - dibs
Some 68 percent of Americans hope the Supreme Court will strike down all or part of President Barack Obama’s health care law, while just 24 percent hope the high court will uphold Obamacare, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll.
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#90
June 14, 2012 11:24 AM - dibs
"How come close to 5k units of housing have been added to my neighborhood and rents have continued to skyrocket?"

PT Barnum said it best "There's a sucker born every day."
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:24 AM
#91
June 14, 2012 11:26 AM - dibs
(nh)
#92
June 14, 2012 11:26 AM - MontroseMorris
That still means 85% are NOT. That's a more significant number. And are you saying that the other parts of the city aren't worth developing, only landmarked areas? And btw, Staten Island has several landmarked districts, as does the Bronx and upper Manhattan. So does Queens.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:26 AM
#93
June 14, 2012 11:27 AM - Deleted
DH;

As I said above, even during the boom years, only 40,000 units of housing were being added annually, in a city of 3,000,000 units. That is a production rate of 1.3%, which is not even enough to cover obsolescence of the existing stock. Hence, rents continue to climb.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:27 AM
#94
June 14, 2012 11:31 AM - Deleted
I think Williamsburg is a good indicator of what housing will do when developers can do whatever they want. Developers will tear down existing housing and won't overdevelop to a point there's a downward force on sale prices. They'll leave sites dead for years until the market is right for them.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:31 AM
#95
June 14, 2012 11:33 AM - bxgrl
But what about the addition of units that are coop or condo? how does that factor in? And really, how does putting up luxury housing benefit anyone but those who can afford it?
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:33 AM
#96
June 14, 2012 11:33 AM - MontroseMorris
"Some 68 percent of Americans hope the Supreme Court will strike down all or part of President Barack Obama’s health care law, while just 24 percent hope the high court will uphold Obamacare, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll."

Who did they ask? How many, from where, age groups, demographics, etc. No one asked me, or anyone I know. Without more details as to the polling group, especially its size, it's meaningless.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:33 AM
#97
June 14, 2012 11:34 AM - CGar
dave, what about Hunter College or BOMCC or CUNY?
#98
June 14, 2012 11:35 AM - Deleted
The figure I cited above, 40,000 units, were for all types of housing: rental and owner-occupied.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:35 AM
#99
June 14, 2012 11:35 AM - CGar
"I never did figure out what PBR stood for. Do I want to know? At my age, I think of Pabst Blue Ribbon."

Yes, Eva, Pabst Blue Ribbon. One gets PBR Curious after 6 PBRs.
June 14, 2012 11:37 AM - dibs
About two-thirds of Republicans said the law should be struck down, while 43 percent of Democrats said the law should stand. Among independents, more than 70 percent said all or some of the law should be struck down.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:37 AM
June 14, 2012 11:37 AM - bxgrl
What about Fordham, dibs?
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:37 AM
June 14, 2012 11:38 AM - bxgrl
I put that down to the fact that the law is not only misunderstood, but misrepresented. A great shame.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:38 AM
June 14, 2012 11:38 AM - dibs
I have to write a syllabus first before I think about marketing it to different colleges.
June 14, 2012 11:39 AM - dibs
I also don't want to travel far....some place in Brooklyn or lower Manhattan would be ideal. Cooper Union????
June 14, 2012 11:39 AM - Deleted
I predict a stock-market rally when Obamacare is struck down. I also predict an even bigger rally should Romney win. I'm ready!
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:39 AM
June 14, 2012 11:40 AM - dibs
benson, if Obama wins, ther'll be a big selloff in anticipation of higher cap gains taxes.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:40 AM
June 14, 2012 11:44 AM - bxgrl
Ugh. Romney. finishing the job Bush began.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:44 AM
June 14, 2012 11:45 AM - CGar
dave, BOMCC (Borough of Manhattan Community College) is on West Street, just north of Chambers. Hunter is on 68th & Lex - not all that far from your office (though I realize you're very high maintenance (VHM) and can't be asked).
June 14, 2012 11:45 AM - Partridge
The Learning Annex. Online video instruction.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:45 AM
June 14, 2012 11:48 AM - bxgrl
You could think about teaching an online course, like Partridge said. In fact you could do a whole series of courses and market them. I see a lot of that in graphic design for instance.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:48 AM
June 14, 2012 11:49 AM - rf
What about St. Joseph's College in Clinton Hill or St. Francis in downtown Brooklyn?
June 14, 2012 11:49 AM - CGar
Rant: I am LIVID. The sign on the frig in the pantry says they'll clean out the frig today (let's put aside for the moment that it's normally done on Fridays), but doesn't state a time, which led people to assume (yes, I know what it means when one ass-u-me-s) that it would be done at the end of the day. The moron charged with doing did it this morning and threw out 2 huge containers of fresh cut fruit that I got for breakfast and lunch.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:49 AM
June 14, 2012 11:51 AM - rf
My guess is that the City U. branches (Borough of Manhattan Community College, Hunter, Baruch, the one in downtown Bklyn, Medgar Evers in Crown Heights) will be very bureaucratic.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:51 AM
June 14, 2012 11:54 AM - Deleted
Fact is - developers up here warehoused units when it looked like the market would be flooded. And prices were already set based upon the purchase price of the commercial properties. Using supply and demand as an argument for unfeddered development is simplistic at best.
June 14, 2012 11:55 AM - Partridge
That guy deserves a beating, CGar. Go tell him to never touch your "huge fruit" again!
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:55 AM
June 14, 2012 11:57 AM - CGar
How about St. Francis College on Remsen Street? That won't tax you in terms of commuting.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:57 AM
June 14, 2012 11:59 AM - MontroseMorris
Why would anyone clean out the refrigerator before lunch? That really makes no sense.
June 14, 2012 12:00 PM - Deleted
DH;

What I am proposing is what is done in most cities, where affordability is not an issue. So, since you and others call my proposal simplistic and absurd, let me ask: what would you propose to alleviate the problem?
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:00 PM
June 14, 2012 12:00 PM - bxgrl
Someone touched my ehubby's huge fruit? LET ME AT THEM!!!
June 14, 2012 12:01 PM - bxgrl
Off to Ikea-
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:01 PM
June 14, 2012 12:01 PM - CGar
MM, thank you. You got me. I tried applying logic and common sense and that cost me $10 and 2 huge containers of fresh cut fruit. There's a street vendor who sells amazing fruit and smoothies for cheap prices (at least compared to all the delis down here).
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:01 PM
June 14, 2012 12:04 PM - DeLepp
wakeeta in the house?
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:04 PM
June 14, 2012 12:07 PM - Deleted
I don't know Benson. I just don't agree that doing away with landmarks and zoning laws would have a dramatic downward effect on prices.

When developers are purchasing commercial property and houses with excess FAR for prices far over what they were worth based on the assumption they will be able to sell them for 1000psf - how is supply and demand playing a factor?

And I will continue to use my neighborhood as an example , not the macro city level data. Adding one million units to the south Bronx will have no effect on prices in Brooklyn.
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:07 PM
June 14, 2012 12:07 PM - CGar
Y'know, I find it both shocking and sophomoric that some of you are able to find sexual innuendo in the most innocent post. I would never do something like that. :-/
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:07 PM
June 14, 2012 12:09 PM - MontroseMorris
Benson, first and foremost, I'd ramp up rehab and renovation of existing stock. There is a huge wealth of unused, abandoned, etc building stock in this city, in most neighborhoods, not just lower income areas. Absentee owners sit on them until they fall down, or purposefully warehouse them, and there are tons of city and privately owned properties that could be fixed up to provide all income levels of housing. It's there, just do it. That alone would create thousands of units of housing. Reuse of non-traditional stock, such as schools, shuttered up churches, factories, hospitals, etc could also be transformed into housing. Even more units there.
June 14, 2012 12:09 PM - MontroseMorris
Going out, will be back later.
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:09 PM
June 14, 2012 12:19 PM - DeLepp
haha slopey!
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:19 PM
June 14, 2012 12:26 PM - CGar
"they just found some low hanging fruit and grapped it"

Given your dreams about jackal in his squirrel loin cloth, you of all people might want to choose your words more carefully. :-/

And, P.S., Slopey, what kind of mickey mouse organization do you work for that your email ended up in Quarantine???
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:26 PM
June 14, 2012 12:28 PM - Slopefarm
LOL, CGar.
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:28 PM
June 14, 2012 12:30 PM - Slopefarm
"Y'know, I find it both shocking and sophomoric that some of you are able to find sexual innuendo in the most innocent post. I would never do something like that. :-/"

You make it sound like they are straining to do so, when really they just found some low hanging fruit and grabbed it.

Edited at June 14, 2012 12:30 PM
June 14, 2012 12:33 PM - CGar
DeLepp, how is your infinitely (npi) better half doing???
June 14, 2012 12:35 PM - DeLepp
Speaking of dreams am I glad I'm off antibiotics starting tonight. The nightmare last night was a topless camille grammer chasing me around her huge glass penthouse trying to get a piece...many things wrong with this scenario.
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:35 PM
June 14, 2012 12:36 PM - DeLepp
c-gar, got home yesterday. Better now as it was a rough week in texas.
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:36 PM
June 14, 2012 12:48 PM - CGar
I imagine it was, DeLepp. Glad he's doing better. I had texted him before you left to give him my best.
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:48 PM
June 14, 2012 12:50 PM - dibs
"Why would anyone clean out the refrigerator before lunch? That really makes no sense."

Union, no doubt.
June 14, 2012 12:52 PM - DeLepp
c-gar, I will say this she planned her exit beautifully. High mexican catholic.
June 14, 2012 12:55 PM - kazootite
"Why would anyone clean out the refrigerator before lunch? That really makes no sense."

Because they wanted to eat your food for their lunch.
Really going now...
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:55 PM
June 14, 2012 12:58 PM - CGar
LOL, DeLepp. As did my Mom, who, in typical fashion, pretty much cooked and baked for her own Shiva before she went!
Edited at June 14, 2012 12:58 PM
June 14, 2012 1:02 PM - CGar
^^^She was also sure to bake in advance 3 different desserts for my great aunt's 95th birthday party.
June 14, 2012 1:03 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: Ummmm CGAR I suggest you get a Log in for The Beach!
frownstoner.com--->

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
June 14, 2012 1:10 PM - DeLepp
c-gar, lunacy.
what, I don't need the sunscreen as the beach is blocked here:(
June 14, 2012 1:28 PM - Partridge
Still advertising the sand and palm trees, huh?
June 14, 2012 1:31 PM - dibs
Partridge, try not to mention the sand.
Edited at June 14, 2012 1:31 PM
June 14, 2012 1:33 PM - Slopefarm
That beach looks pretty deserted in the photo.
June 14, 2012 1:34 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Still advertising the sand and palm trees, huh?"

Yep! Tonight I'm watching the game and after that it's My Dance tracks on The Beach!

SDFL
Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at June 14, 2012 1:34 PM
June 14, 2012 1:34 PM - Partridge
No cabana boys. I want cabana boys.
Edited at June 14, 2012 1:34 PM
June 14, 2012 1:34 PM - dibs
I prefer beaches to be like that. 99% of the people aren't worth looking at anyway.
Edited at June 14, 2012 1:34 PM
June 14, 2012 1:37 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "No cabana boys. I want cabana boys."

Well.... (I'm not gonna touch that)

"I prefer beaches to be like that. 99% of the people aren't worth looking at anyway."

The Beach belongs to the 1% anyway! It's a great way to generate revenue and get some inside trading secrets!

SDFL
Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at June 14, 2012 1:37 PM
June 14, 2012 1:45 PM - dibs
I'll post some speedo clad asian hunks later!!!!!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 1:45 PM
June 14, 2012 2:07 PM - dibs
I guess nobody wants any kimchee for lunch!!!!!!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 2:07 PM
June 14, 2012 2:14 PM - Slopefarm
That's his name? Kim Chee?
Edited at June 14, 2012 2:14 PM
June 14, 2012 2:29 PM - Deleted
Where is everyone???
June 14, 2012 2:37 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: I'm here for now

SDFL
Someday this war is gonna end..

Edited at June 14, 2012 2:37 PM
June 14, 2012 2:43 PM - CGar
"Ummmm CGAR I suggest you get a Log in for The Beach!"

Thanks, What. I'm not sure I can access the site from work, but will check it out later on.
Edited at June 14, 2012 2:43 PM
June 14, 2012 2:45 PM - CGar
"c-gar, lunacy."

Lol. Aka JEWish, DeLepp.

Reminds me of the time my father (in typical fashion) drove home from Vermont in a blizzard with my brother and sister in the car. When they pulled into the driveway, my mother came out of the house, shouting, "The lunatics are home! The lunatics are home!".
Edited at June 14, 2012 2:45 PM
June 14, 2012 2:47 PM - CGar
DAVE!!!!! In case you missed this from OT Late Night:

"DH, Funny Bones are awesome! Always my fave as a kid. If dave was here, I'd tell the story about my teddy bear who had Funny Bone rubbed into him."

^^^nh

DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL THE STORY, DAVE?!?!?!
Edited at June 14, 2012 2:47 PM
June 14, 2012 2:52 PM - CGar
^^^PS, did I ever mention that my teddy bear's name was Rosebud???
June 14, 2012 2:59 PM - Slopefarm
OK, I understand, sort of, outsourcing customer service. But why on earth would a company looking to drum up business outsource its telemarketing operations? Why would you want the same script-bound, halting, non-native english speakers trying to cajole people into switching, say, their gas and electric suppliers (billers, really) to some business they've never heard of?

Are you calling from Con Ed or another business?
[Pause.] I'm calling about savings on your Con Edison bill.
But are you calling from Con Ed or from someone else?
[Long pause] Nothing's going to change. You will still get your electrical power from Con Edison.
So, you want to sell me electricity that comes from Con Edison but you are not Con Edison?
[Long pause] I am not selling you anything. You will still get your electrical power from Con Edison.
So why are you calling me?
[Long silence. Dial tone.]

Edited at June 14, 2012 2:59 PM
June 14, 2012 2:59 PM - Slopefarm
Your teddy bear was a sled?
Edited at June 14, 2012 2:59 PM
June 14, 2012 3:09 PM - dibs
Market putting in a strong rally here.
June 14, 2012 3:12 PM - Deleted
Slopey;

Worse than that is when you call for customer support, and the folks are mainly trained to "upsell", as we say in the trade.

I called Verizon two months ago to do two things: a) send my mother-in-law's bill to my address and b) stop the automatic payment. The account support person told me that she put both changes in place. After pushing that along, she tried to upsell me on the idea of FIOS. Well, it actually sounded like a good deal, and so I made the switch. Where am I today? FIOS was quickly installed. As for the two requests I made, the original point of my call? Still not in place, four phone calls later.
June 14, 2012 3:17 PM - Slopefarm
Annoying, benson. For Verizon, it is all about FIOS right now. Getting your old landline fixed if there is a problem used to be a 2-4 day issue, now it's a minimum of 30-40 days even if you have no service, and they will only credit the account if you ask them after the service is restored. And while they say they can place a special order to untangle and clean up the medusa's head of wires in the back yard there really is no one doing it and no way to trace the order. But your query could be handled in 3-5 mouse clicks so there's no excuse.
Edited at June 14, 2012 3:17 PM
June 14, 2012 3:21 PM - Arkady
Slopey - The linesmen aren't trained. I had 1 guy the first day, 2 the 2nd & three the 3rd - all trying to unsnarl a mare's nest. They eventually just added a new feed - easier than tracing the problem. The veteran older fella on the 3rd day told me they just aren't given the training.
Edited at June 14, 2012 3:21 PM
June 14, 2012 3:22 PM - dibs
VZ has been a great stock!!!!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 3:22 PM
June 14, 2012 3:24 PM - Slopefarm
"They eventually just added a new feed - easier than tracing the problem."

Yes, and since they've been doing that for a few decades, we' ve got a yard full of tangled wires.
Edited at June 14, 2012 3:24 PM
June 14, 2012 3:25 PM - CGar
"Your teddy bear was a sled?"

LOL, Slopey. The Rosebud post was for dave's benefit. He seems to think I've told him the teddy bear story a few too many times. Just couldn't recall if I'd included the part about the Funny Bones. The bear's name was actually "Schlumpy" (named by my Jewish mother).

Edited at June 14, 2012 3:25 PM
June 14, 2012 3:27 PM - Slopefarm
"Slopey - The linesmen aren't trained. I had 1 guy the first day, 2 the 2nd & three the 3rd - all trying to unsnarl a mare's nest. They eventually just added a new feed - easier than tracing the problem. The veteran older fella on the 3rd day told me they just aren't given the training."

"dibs VZ has been a great stock!!!!!"

And there it is in a nutshell. It is amazing how profitable a company can be when it decides that any cost that doesn't lead directly to a new profit is unnecessary and can be eliminated. All the new money is in FIOS and expanded control of content delivery so who needs repair people who aren't trained to repair the old lines.

Edited at June 14, 2012 3:27 PM
June 14, 2012 3:28 PM - CGar
"The linesmen aren't trained."

I am a linesman for Con Edison.
And I work the main phone . . .
Edited at June 14, 2012 3:28 PM
June 14, 2012 3:33 PM - Slopefarm
OK, sometimes the gods just decide to mock you and there's nothing you can do. It turns out that not only do I have a minor rip in my lateral meniscus but I've got early osteoarthritis in my knee. It's a loong road back to the basketball court. But what's this sneaking through the spam filter? An ad for "Metta World Peace College Orientation Team Basketball Camp"

Edited at June 14, 2012 3:33 PM
June 14, 2012 3:35 PM - Slopefarm
LOL, CGar. Which reminds me, I need a small vacation.
Edited at June 14, 2012 3:34 PM
June 14, 2012 3:37 PM - CGar
Don't kid yourself, Slopey, we all mock you.
Edited at June 14, 2012 3:37 PM
June 14, 2012 3:40 PM - Slopefarm
Yes, I can hear you all whispering and snickering through my computer.
Edited at June 14, 2012 3:40 PM
June 14, 2012 3:42 PM - Deleted
I'm torn about Verizon.

On the one hand, I've been chewing out their service people about how long it is taking to make these simple changes, and their poor service.

On the other hand, I own the stock. As DIBS said, it's been a profitable investment!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 3:42 PM
June 14, 2012 3:45 PM - Slopefarm
LOL, benson. In my white shoe days i worked for a partner with three young kids who joked that he bought Disney stock as a hedge against all the money he spent on videos, toys, Disneyworld, etc.

Anyway, off to a meeting. Chat with you all later or tomorrow.
Edited at June 14, 2012 3:45 PM
June 14, 2012 3:51 PM - dibs
"It turns out that not only do I have a minor rip in my lateral meniscus but I've got early osteoarthritis in my knee."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfGYSHy1jQs&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLC67AF6D521F21E7D
June 14, 2012 4:52 PM - bxgrl
I've got osteoarthritis in my shoulders and neck. Really painful sometimes.
Edited at June 14, 2012 4:52 PM
June 14, 2012 5:10 PM - Partridge
Wake up everybody!!!!!!
I Love Stoops! I really love Stoops. She made her way through Obamainsanity to visit me. Thank you Miss Stoops. Love the accent!!!!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:10 PM
June 14, 2012 5:13 PM - dibs
Stoops has an accent??? Cockney?
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:13 PM
June 14, 2012 5:16 PM - Partridge
Don't you know?
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:16 PM
June 14, 2012 5:20 PM - dibs
Alas, I've finally had to sign up for twitter. Turns out one of my stock newsletter guys is now tweeting occasioanl short term recommendations.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:20 PM
June 14, 2012 5:21 PM - dibs
If I knew i wouldn't have asked , MORON!!!!!!!!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:21 PM
June 14, 2012 5:25 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Need a new toilet flapper. ::grumble grumble:: Fine time for it to go kaput.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:25 PM
June 14, 2012 5:26 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
What's for dinner tonight, folks? I'll be having grilled chicken breast strips, scallions, grape tomatoes, oven roasted garlic and a dash of balsamic vinegar rolled up in a tortilla wrap. Nom!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:26 PM
June 14, 2012 5:27 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Oh, and fresh mozz slices in there, too. Double nom!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:27 PM
June 14, 2012 5:28 PM - Partridge
Remember, Stoops just took that train trip back to her family's farm in Texas. Definitely NOT Cockney!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:28 PM
June 14, 2012 5:28 PM - dibs
Not sure. I think we're going out since I didn't buy anything.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:28 PM
June 14, 2012 5:29 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Since you'll be out and about, swing by and drop off a flapper for me. Kthnks.
June 14, 2012 5:31 PM - DeLepp
Got a friend in from Columbus OH so gin will be dinner.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:31 PM
June 14, 2012 5:32 PM - Partridge
That sounds delicious Snappy. I'm probably heading out too. You feeling better?
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:32 PM
June 14, 2012 5:33 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
That's ok...I think gin was recently added as a food group.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:33 PM
June 14, 2012 5:33 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Partridge, still worn out and under the 'do not go outside' ban :-( Boooo!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:33 PM
June 14, 2012 5:33 PM - Partridge
Boy was I wrong about you DeLepp!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:33 PM
June 14, 2012 5:34 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Breathing is better though. Not quite 100% yet, but getting there.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:33 PM
June 14, 2012 5:35 PM - Partridge
Great. Sorry I don't do flappers, otherwise...you know I would!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:35 PM
June 14, 2012 5:36 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
LOL! No prob, Partridge. I gotta sneak outta the house for a bit tomorrow anyway...will pick one up while I'm out.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:36 PM
June 14, 2012 5:39 PM - DeLepp
part, if you are listening to cad-gar you are being led astray.
June 14, 2012 5:40 PM - Partridge
Do you wear one of these? All the Japanese fashionistas have them!
June 14, 2012 5:41 PM - dibs
Lotsof helicopter activity over the East River. Obama leaving????
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:41 PM
June 14, 2012 5:42 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Kid you not...I will be wearing a heavy duty dust mask when I go out. Can't inhale the pollen right now...too dangerous. I'll be glad though when I can open my windows again. Freezing under this air conditioning and fretting over the next electric bill. Yikes!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:42 PM
June 14, 2012 5:42 PM - dibs
I like the Japanese girls in the 9" whore heels in Takeshi-dori
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:42 PM
June 14, 2012 5:43 PM - Partridge
DeLepp, you can't blame it on CarGar if you are talking gin for dinner. My gentleman shopper appeared so proper and well behaved!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:43 PM
June 14, 2012 5:44 PM - bxgrl
tilapia and sauteed veggie for dinner. But snappy's sound so much better. Maybe we should all invite ourselves over for dinner :)
June 14, 2012 5:44 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Dave, I think I lost my eyesight after "Japanese girls." Did you mean "Japanese girly-boys" by chance? Or do you have something to tell us?
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:44 PM
June 14, 2012 5:45 PM - DeLepp
part, I'm not having the whole cask of gin, maybe just half.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:45 PM
June 14, 2012 5:45 PM - Partridge
Seriously, I'll be around your hood around 8 or 9 tonight if you need me to run an errand or something.
June 14, 2012 5:45 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Come on by, Bxgirl...but I warn you...I've got on pajamas and I'm not changing out of 'em!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:45 PM
June 14, 2012 5:45 PM - bxgrl
Proper and well-behaved???? Whomever that was, it wasn't CGar. Must've been Pete! Yeah....Pete.
June 14, 2012 5:45 PM - dibs
Japanese girls...just for viewing amusement only.

I don't do "girly boys"
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:45 PM
June 14, 2012 5:46 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Thanks, Part, but I'll get it tomorrow. Pharmacy didn't have all my steroids when I filled the scrip after the hospital visit, so I have to go back over there anyway to get the remainder. I'll be stopping at the hardware store on the way.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:46 PM
June 14, 2012 5:47 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Ok, but do you let the girly-boys do you? LOL
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:47 PM
June 14, 2012 5:47 PM - bxgrl
I wish, snaps- so much to do but we are getting together. Maybe we'll bring dinner over to you since you can't go out. I'll email.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:47 PM
June 14, 2012 5:48 PM - Partridge
Have an olive or two with it. Don't want to think of you with Tanqueray poisoning.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:48 PM
June 14, 2012 5:49 PM - bxgrl
Got paint for my new bedroom, and more swedish shelving. Big move for me is July 14. Next week we go up to do the bedroom since Mt. Sinai is making noises about my sinuses and ear infections.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:49 PM
June 14, 2012 5:49 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Bxgirl, really, I'm ok...had a recent Fresh Direct delivery. Love those people!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:49 PM
June 14, 2012 5:49 PM - bxgrl
Do olives prevent Tanqueray poisoning? Hmmm....must try that.
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:49 PM
June 14, 2012 5:51 PM - bxgrl
Snappy- JUST BECAUSE I like chocolate is NO reason to think I cannot cook. Hmmphfff. See if I let MM give you another kitty!
Edited at June 14, 2012 5:51 PM
June 14, 2012 5:56 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
LOL!
June 14, 2012 5:57 PM - dibs
He's not a Tanqueray drinker
June 14, 2012 6:01 PM - ilovestoops
I love Partridge and her shop! What fun to be able to drop by and visit with a PLUSA in person! I'll have to stop by when I have more time (and money) 'cause there's lots of stuff I'd like to get from the store.
Edited at June 14, 2012 6:01 PM
June 14, 2012 6:05 PM - dibs
You could all come to 55th Street and visit my office. NOT.
June 14, 2012 6:16 PM - Partridge
The mention of the brand Tanquery was intended for humor and NOT accuracy. He said gin, I said Tanqueray. DeLepp the gentleman that he is, didn't find the need to correct me.

Stoops, we will have more fun next time. Thanks again for the visit.
Edited at June 14, 2012 6:16 PM
June 14, 2012 6:25 PM - bxgrl
Very interesting article on the new MacPro- and not in a good way.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/06/opinion-apple-retina-displa/
June 14, 2012 6:31 PM - Deleted
Just had a nice dinner with the parents at Roberta's. Poulet Rouge with purple fingerling potatoes and ramps. There were quite a few other tables with Moonfaces having dinner with their parents.
Edited at June 14, 2012 6:31 PM
June 14, 2012 6:34 PM - petebklyn
proper and well-behaved? nobody says that about me. I can't find original reference. long day.
Edited at June 14, 2012 6:34 PM
June 14, 2012 6:35 PM - petebklyn
I did see ramps at the market last week. pretty sure just another form of garlic which I try to avoid.
Edited at June 14, 2012 6:35 PM
June 14, 2012 6:36 PM - bxgrl
purple fingerling potatoes? Sounds yummy! How were they prepared?
June 14, 2012 6:43 PM - Deleted
I think they were roasted with the ramps. Nice and garlicky.

Parents enjoyed people watching. Mom was sorta scared her car was gonna get stolen off the desolate industrial block she parked.
Edited at June 14, 2012 6:43 PM
June 14, 2012 6:43 PM - Partridge
"proper and well-behaved?"

That was DeLepp, Pete. But I know I'll have equally kind words for you after we meet! Hmm....I'm thinkin' distinguished and erudite.
Edited at June 14, 2012 6:43 PM
June 14, 2012 6:51 PM - petebklyn
had to have been before gin hour for delepp then.

you got my number wrong too.
Edited at June 14, 2012 6:51 PM
June 14, 2012 6:53 PM - petebklyn
y'know. I've bought those colored potatoes and they seem kinda dry. best to stick with yukon gold. the colors and fingerlings all for presentation.
Edited at June 14, 2012 6:53 PM
June 14, 2012 6:57 PM - rf
No PLUSA discount for taking your course?
Edited at June 14, 2012 6:57 PM
June 14, 2012 6:57 PM - Deleted
Yeah, I can't really taste the difference btw purple and reg fingerlings. They look nice though
June 14, 2012 6:59 PM - bxgrl
They sound good! How long are your folks staying?
June 14, 2012 7:00 PM - bxgrl
Just so you know, Partridge- Pete tears down lost puppy posters in his neighborhood.
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:00 PM
June 14, 2012 7:01 PM - petebklyn
staying ? I 'm sure he sent them back to LI right after dessert.
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:00 PM
June 14, 2012 7:04 PM - bxgrl
You'd think he would at least show off his friends to them. ;-)
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:04 PM
June 14, 2012 7:05 PM - petebklyn
bxgrl, I do my civic duty of removing flyers illegally applied to city property - especially reproductions of historic lightposts. what would MM say about defacing something like that with cheap advertisements?
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:05 PM
June 14, 2012 7:08 PM - Arkady
I don't like Yukon Golds. I do like 'new' potatoes - GAP Farmer's Mkt sometimes has them.
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:08 PM
June 14, 2012 7:12 PM - Deleted
haha pete!

bxgrl - they actually went home. they come in quite often for dinner and stuff. my dad works in the city and my mom doesn't work so we'll meet up fairly often, usually in manhattan for dinner. they're actually thinking of moving in closer because driving back to central suffolk county buzzed isn't fun!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:12 PM
June 14, 2012 7:12 PM - petebklyn
well, so be it.
1 potato 2 potato 3 potato 4. 5 potato 6 potato 7 potato more.


Edited at June 14, 2012 7:12 PM
June 14, 2012 7:14 PM - rf
DH, is your sister living in Brooklyn?
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:14 PM
June 14, 2012 7:15 PM - CGar
"Boy was I wrong about you DeLepp!"

No kidding, partridge!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:15 PM
June 14, 2012 7:15 PM - petebklyn
maybe your father could stay with me during the week and lesbi with your mother. cut everyone's commute.
June 14, 2012 7:16 PM - CGar
"part, if you are listening to cad-gar you are being led astray."

LMFAO! DeLepp knows "I love him more than my luggage" (nh).
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:16 PM
June 14, 2012 7:18 PM - CGar
"DeLepp, you can't blame it on CarGar if you are talking gin for dinner. My gentleman shopper appeared so proper and well behaved!"

Yes, partridge, but we now know you drink at work . . .
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:18 PM
June 14, 2012 7:18 PM - Deleted
yeah rf - she actually took over the lease on the apartment i was previously living in in williamsburg. she works pretty late hours so she wasn't able to join us unfortunately!
June 14, 2012 7:19 PM - CGar
"Proper and well-behaved???? Whomever that was, it wasn't CGar. Must've been Pete!"

She's referring to DeLepp. Neither Pete nor I is proper or well-behaved. (And don't be surprised when your Platinum Card is declined, Sue Ellen!)
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:33 PM
June 14, 2012 7:25 PM - CGar
"There were quite a few other tables with Moonfaces having dinner with their parents."

Lol, DH. Dinner sounds great though.
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:25 PM
June 14, 2012 7:27 PM - CGar
"proper and well-behaved? nobody says that about me."
"you got my number wrong too"

Truer words were never spoken by Pete.
June 14, 2012 7:27 PM - CGar
Just got a Pepperoni pizza from House of Pizza and Calzones. Yum.
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:27 PM
June 14, 2012 7:33 PM - petebklyn
do you never make something for yourself --- something perhaps with more balanced diet? yesterday was zaytoons or some arab place and tonight - pepperoni pizza?
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:33 PM
June 14, 2012 7:34 PM - Deleted
pepperoni pizza is very balanced. has fruit, vegetables, bread, meat.
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:34 PM
June 14, 2012 7:35 PM - CGar
Yesterday was Fatoosh, Pete. I rarely cook only for myself. But, I generally eat very healthy - mostly fruits and veggies only. Yesterday, I had grilled chicken breasts, grilled veggies, salad, rice and a little Pita from Fatoosh. Honestly, I've had a very rough week and needed comfort food tonight, so I treated myself!
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:35 PM
June 14, 2012 7:35 PM - Deleted
i've got this pressure cooker here i never use. was thinking of making a pot roast or something. instructions seem very easy
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:35 PM
June 14, 2012 7:41 PM - CGar
"pepperoni pizza is very balanced. has fruit, vegetables, bread, meat."

Funny DH.

Never had a pressure cooker, but I know people swear by how good the food is when cooked in them.
June 14, 2012 7:42 PM - petebklyn
cgar, need I remind you that you are jewish and over 40 therefore have sensitive stomach. pepperoni pizza spells indigestion/heartburn. stick to matzoh ball soup, dear.
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:42 PM
June 14, 2012 7:43 PM - bxgrl
Cheap advertisements? NEVER! But cutsie lost puppies and kittens with big, molten eyes, looking up at you so adoringly? Of course - and MM too. We aren't part of the CCLC fer nuthin' ya know.
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:43 PM
June 14, 2012 7:45 PM - petebklyn
pressure cookers are good for cheap meats. ask dibs.
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:45 PM
June 14, 2012 7:45 PM - CGar
bxgrl, in case you missed my 7:19 post, don't count on your Amex being accepted on your next Ikea shopping spree!
June 14, 2012 7:47 PM - CGar
LOL, Pete. Thanks mom!
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:47 PM
June 14, 2012 7:47 PM - ilovestoops
Wonder how Scott's commute was this evening. He may be stuck somewhere since we haven't heard from him.
June 14, 2012 7:48 PM - bxgrl
But sweetheart- you KNOW I adore you above all other men. I was just kidding. Partridge will learn that Pete is the world's biggest curmudgeon. Kisses, kisses....... More doggie treats for Sam and Max?
June 14, 2012 7:48 PM - CGar
Riddle me this. I call House of Pizza & Calzones, and they say, "Is this CGar?". I say yes, they take my order and we're done. Why don't all restaurants have Caller ID and/or a way to capture people's deets so you don't have to give your address, phone, etc. every single time you call?
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:48 PM
June 14, 2012 7:49 PM - bxgrl
He posted on FB- upset about something at work I think.
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:49 PM
June 14, 2012 7:52 PM - petebklyn
not on frownstoner?
Edited at June 14, 2012 7:52 PM
June 14, 2012 8:01 PM - dibs
I grow purple, red and white potatos
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:01 PM
June 14, 2012 8:06 PM - petebklyn
how very gay of you.
June 14, 2012 8:06 PM - dibs
Had a great meal at Jack The Horse
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:06 PM
June 14, 2012 8:07 PM - petebklyn
when I arrived upstate this afternoon....new roof had begun. I could have probably bought a new doublewide for what this is costing us.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:07 PM
June 14, 2012 8:08 PM - petebklyn
and why do you call jack - the horse?
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:08 PM
June 14, 2012 8:11 PM - dibs
Makes for great July 4 red, white & blue potato salad
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:11 PM
June 14, 2012 8:15 PM - Slope4Eva
Hey, everyone. I had to buy an Entenmann's Butter French Crumb cake today because of all the "sweets" talk last night.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:15 PM
June 14, 2012 8:17 PM - Slope4Eva
Dave, the menu looks good, especially the steak with the horseradish & Chive Crème Fraiche.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:17 PM
June 14, 2012 8:18 PM - petebklyn
easier to wrap yourself in the flag like the other republicans....and then invite the guests to eat you.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:18 PM
June 14, 2012 8:20 PM - petebklyn
I did see house 4 sale in carversville -- prob in the nytimes....mill house or something like that.

Met food across the street had all entenmann's on sale this week for 2.99 but I resisted.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:20 PM
June 14, 2012 8:21 PM - CGar
I love Jack the Horse.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:21 PM
June 14, 2012 8:23 PM - petebklyn
well, apparently a lot of people do. Not surprised actually. since nobody around here wants higher standard of decency.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:23 PM
June 14, 2012 8:23 PM - Slope4Eva
CGar, do you know who trashed your lunch, or, was it the cleaning crew? That was really dumb.
June 14, 2012 8:24 PM - CGar
"then invite the guests to eat you"

What makes you think he doesn't??
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:24 PM
June 14, 2012 8:25 PM - petebklyn
I'm alone tonight. so anyone here is stuck with me. lesbi stayed in nyc for his goodbye party from work.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:24 PM
June 14, 2012 8:26 PM - CGar
Eva, it was apparently the cleaning crew, whose timing was just brilliant.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:26 PM
June 14, 2012 8:26 PM - Slope4Eva
I'm here for the duration. I'm alone for a while too, Pete. ;-)
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:26 PM
June 14, 2012 8:27 PM - Slope4Eva
OK, they were just following orders. Can't fault them, I guess.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:27 PM
June 14, 2012 8:32 PM - CGar
"Can't fault them, I guess"

Have you MET me, lol???
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:32 PM
June 14, 2012 8:33 PM - petebklyn
was so nice and peaceful and quiet until 2 minutes ago someone started a machine to mow lawn or something. why they wait until sunset I can't figure out.
We watched Lust in the Dust last night on netflix. Devine and Lainie Kazan.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:33 PM
June 14, 2012 8:34 PM - Deleted
"Why don't all restaurants have Caller ID and/or a way to capture people's deets so you don't have to give your address, phone, etc. every single time you call?"

restaurants up here do that. caller id has the number and they put it in the computer which has your address info.
June 14, 2012 8:35 PM - petebklyn
bhs is really bothered that I called you people kneejerk yesterday, was he? I mean it is the truth and all but I was only teasing.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:35 PM
June 14, 2012 8:36 PM - petebklyn
yeah, great, then they can complile a list and sell to telemarketers from india.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:36 PM
June 14, 2012 8:37 PM - Slope4Eva
Yes! I know it still stinks.

Edited at June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
June 14, 2012 8:37 PM - Slopefarm
Wait, Eva, are you suggesting a Nurenburg defense for throwing away everyone's lunches???
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
June 14, 2012 8:38 PM - Slope4Eva
Do you remember when someone kept drinking my grape juice and putting water in it to bring it up to the level they found it, lol. How pathetic was that. Geez Louise, I'd rather share, than have them ruin the whole bottle.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:38 PM
June 14, 2012 8:38 PM - Slopefarm
Most take out in so slo store caller ID info for delivery. Takes 45 seconds off the call.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:38 PM
June 14, 2012 8:39 PM - bxgrl
Ah- the banality of evil fruit tossers.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:39 PM
June 14, 2012 8:41 PM - Slope4Eva
DH, you keep saying "up here" the last few days. I was going to ask you earlier where you were, but it appears you are home in Bklyn.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:41 PM
June 14, 2012 8:42 PM - CGar
DH, I don't understand why they don't all do that. It was save a lot of time (and thus money).
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:42 PM
June 14, 2012 8:42 PM - bxgrl
Jeez eva- they watered it down? Tacky people!
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:42 PM
June 14, 2012 8:43 PM - CGar
Eva, lol, yes, I remember that now. I don't get people. My office mate was suggesting that someone stole my fruit.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:43 PM
June 14, 2012 8:43 PM - petebklyn
bxgrl, she says grape juice.. she means fermented grape juice.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:43 PM
June 14, 2012 8:44 PM - Slope4Eva
Nein, Herr Slopey. Just defending the little people.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:44 PM
June 14, 2012 8:44 PM - Deleted
up here, in north brooklyn - which if you read the blogosphere might as well be a foreign country.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:44 PM
June 14, 2012 8:45 PM - petebklyn
you lazy ass people. walk and pick up and burn a few calories.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:45 PM
June 14, 2012 8:47 PM - Slope4Eva
Pete, if you joined us at night more often, you would have learned last night, I am not a wine drinker.

When I was much younger, I used to think Lainie Kazan was so pretty. She did not age well, however, I do like her.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:47 PM
June 14, 2012 8:47 PM - Arkady
dh - I have a terrific recipe for corned beef done in a pressure cooker.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:47 PM
June 14, 2012 8:48 PM - Deleted
sweet arkady! i'll shoot you an email. do grocery stores in brooklyn even sell corned beef>? haven't noticed it before.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:48 PM
June 14, 2012 8:49 PM - Arkady
The people at my pet shop always volunteer to deliver my 2 cases of food or 17 lbs of litter - they don't understand that that is my sole fitness regimen.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:49 PM
June 14, 2012 8:49 PM - Arkady
Yes. Everyone has it around St. Paddy's but most places stock it all the time. The Pathmark brand one is particularly good.
June 14, 2012 8:51 PM - petebklyn
movie was from 27 years ago. I don't know what she looks like now. but at least not dead like devine.

cgar thinks tina louise didn't age well...but he is idiot...I see her all the time at Y and few women have her figure at that age....whatever that age is.
June 14, 2012 8:52 PM - Deleted
candidate a

"This isn’t some abstract debate. This is not another trivial Washington argument. I have said that this is the defining issue of our time and I mean it. I said that this is a make-or-break moment for America’s middle class, and I believe it..What is holding us back is a stalemate in Washington between two fundamentally different views between what direction America should take. And this election is your chance to break that stalemate...

Over the last few decades the income of the top 1 percent grew by more than 275 percent, to an average of $1.3 million a year. Big financial institutions, corporations saw their profits soar. But prosperity never trickled down to the middle class. From 2001 to 2008 we had the slowest job growth in half a century. The typical family saw their incomes halt.

The failure to pay for the tax cuts and the wars took us from record surpluses under President Bill Clinton to record deficits. And it left us unprepared to deal with the retirement of an aging population that’s placing a greater strain on programs like Medicare and Social Security. "
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June 14, 2012 8:52 PM - Slope4Eva
I've never eaten food prepared in a pressure cooker. I don't like food made in slow cooker at all, to be fair, its just one person who keeps giving me that slop.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:52 PM
June 14, 2012 8:52 PM - Deleted
candidate b

"Now, I know that he will have all sorts of excuses, and he’ll have all sorts of ideas he’ll describe about how he’ll make things better," Romney remarked. “But what he says and what he does are not always the exact same thing. And so if people want to know how his economic policies have worked and how they perform, why they can talk to their neighbor and ask if things are better."


which one sounds more presidential?
June 14, 2012 8:54 PM - Arkady
Pressure cooker is fast. Corned beef usually takes 4 or 5 hours - one in P.C. Great for short ribs, brisket, etc.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:54 PM
June 14, 2012 8:56 PM - Slope4Eva
Here's Lainie K. Sorry, Pete, I have to agree with CGar on Ginger, although, I've never seen her in person.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:56 PM
June 14, 2012 8:57 PM - petebklyn
is that a quiz, dh? isn't it more important who would make a better 1st lady?
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:57 PM
June 14, 2012 8:59 PM - Arkady
My frog Prince is back!!! He wasn't around last summer at all but he just croaked 5 times!!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:59 PM
June 14, 2012 8:59 PM - petebklyn
tina is 78 years old. show me someone better preserved that age. she walks around street in summer sun with umbrella.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:59 PM
June 14, 2012 8:59 PM - CGar
"cgar thinks tina louise didn't age well...but he is idiot"

Yes, I am, but you're still wrong, Old Man.
Edited at June 14, 2012 8:59 PM
June 14, 2012 9:00 PM - petebklyn
corned beef is like really irish. I don't like it.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:00 PM
June 14, 2012 9:00 PM - Slopefarm
OK, I'm confused. Why are the candidates talking about pressure cookers and is Lainie Kazan our next first lady?
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:00 PM
June 14, 2012 9:00 PM - CGar
.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:00 PM
June 14, 2012 9:01 PM - CGar
Compare . . .
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:01 PM
June 14, 2012 9:01 PM - Slope4Eva
Confession time. I am not an Obama fan. However, I swooned when I heard him sing, Al Green. That was hot.
June 14, 2012 9:03 PM - CGar
Linda Gray, OTOH, aged well. (Pete, did not.)
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:03 PM
June 14, 2012 9:04 PM - Slopefarm
Well maybe Romney can win back Eva's heart with a song, too. Who Let the Dogs Out perhaps?
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:04 PM
June 14, 2012 9:05 PM - Slope4Eva
Linda Gray looks better now than she did a few years ago. I think she got new teeth that fit better.

Pete, my Grandmother came from Ireland, she never made corned beef, said they didn't eat it over there. Could be they couldn't afford it. She made her Irish stew though.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:05 PM
June 14, 2012 9:07 PM - Arkady
Even people who think they don't like corned beef like mine. Come back year after year for St. Paddy's.
June 14, 2012 9:09 PM - petebklyn
what the heck is she supposed to look like at 78? she's just a nice jewish girl from brooklyn. she seems very physically fit. and that pic is little harsh lighting.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:09 PM
June 14, 2012 9:10 PM - petebklyn
who is linda gray? and I've never been invited for your corned beef.
June 14, 2012 9:12 PM - petebklyn
oops, sorry eva. didn't mean I don;t like irish people. just the food.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:12 PM
June 14, 2012 9:13 PM - Slope4Eva
CGar, you're upsetting Pete. Harsh lighting, lol. Pete's got a crush.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:13 PM
June 14, 2012 9:13 PM - Arkady
No cabbage involved, of course. For St. Paddy's, potatoes & sliced carrots (to symbolize the pot o' gold.)
June 14, 2012 9:15 PM - Slope4Eva
I didn't take it that way, Pete.

I know, I know.... TWSS
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:15 PM
June 14, 2012 9:18 PM - Partridge
It's hard to find a good, current picture of her. Surgery has not been helpful. Too thin, inappropriately dressed and what can I say about the hair?
June 14, 2012 9:19 PM - Deleted
jesus....
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:19 PM
June 14, 2012 9:20 PM - CGar
The only way for me to upset Pete is to tell him that he lives in Boerum Hill, on the wrong side of Smith Street, and that when I moved to Carroll Gardens in 1996, all of Smith Street was boarded up and shuttered. :-/

(Pete and I used to fight over this mercilessly, back in the days when I thought he hated me.)
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:22 PM
June 14, 2012 9:20 PM - Deleted
potatoes and sliced carrots are awesome when made with pot roast. i assume they're even more awesome made with corned beef

gotta be red potatoes tho. no moonface purple fingerlings.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:20 PM
June 14, 2012 9:21 PM - CGar
I've never been invited for her corned beef either, Pete.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:21 PM
June 14, 2012 9:22 PM - Slope4Eva
Disclaimer... I don't like Jane Fonda (Hanoi Jane). However, at 75, I think she's much more attractive than Ginger. She was on the View this week, so this is a recent pic.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:22 PM
June 14, 2012 9:23 PM - Slope4Eva
Here.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:23 PM
June 14, 2012 9:24 PM - CGar
Rose Marie is still alive. She's 88. She looks about the same.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:24 PM
June 14, 2012 9:25 PM - petebklyn
that show makes me want to barf. not fair since that is not a closeup shot.
June 14, 2012 9:25 PM - Partridge
(Hanoi Jane) used in this context because we might not have recognized the name "Jane Fonda"????????
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:25 PM
June 14, 2012 9:26 PM - petebklyn
I think I told you I saw joan rivers at theater last year. very scary.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:26 PM
June 14, 2012 9:26 PM - petebklyn
I think I told you I saw joan rivers at theater last year. very scary.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:26 PM
June 14, 2012 9:28 PM - Slope4Eva
No Partridge, to say why I don't like her. I like most of her movies.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:28 PM
June 14, 2012 9:28 PM - Partridge
Yes, saw Joan at the Gift Show a few months ago. Very scary is right.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:28 PM
June 14, 2012 9:28 PM - CGar
"I think I told you I saw joan rivers at theater last year. very scary."

Scarier for Joan I'd imagine.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:28 PM
June 14, 2012 9:29 PM - Partridge
Ok, Eva, Get it now. Thought you felt she was better known as. Only my father would have thought that way! Ha!
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:29 PM
June 14, 2012 9:32 PM - bxgrl
I saw Tina Louise in person at some event a few years ago- she looked emaciated and very very wrinkled so I think she must have had skin work done. For a woman who is pushing 80, though, she does look wonderful. I have issues with Hanoi Jane too (my brother is a Viet Vet) but she does look fantastic.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:32 PM
June 14, 2012 9:32 PM - Slope4Eva
Phew, Partridge, I was afraid I insulted you. Cool. Here's Jane from this year's Golden Globes. Up close for Peter.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:32 PM
June 14, 2012 9:32 PM - bxgrl
My mother made great corned beef- I thought it was Jewish, and that the Irish stole it from us. (I only wish they had taken beets and herring too).
June 14, 2012 9:34 PM - petebklyn
she's had more work done than tina.
June 14, 2012 9:36 PM - Slope4Eva
I loved pickled beets. You can keep your herring.
June 14, 2012 9:36 PM - Deleted
"My mother made great corned beef- I thought it was Jewish, and that the Irish stole it from us. "

haha - this made me laugh.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:36 PM
June 14, 2012 9:38 PM - Partridge
Yes, probably Pete. But Jane has a better surgeon. Poor Tina can't close her eyes!!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:38 PM
June 14, 2012 9:38 PM - bxgrl
Hate beets. hate borscht. Please please take the herring.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:38 PM
June 14, 2012 9:40 PM - Partridge
Pickled beet and pickled herring were staples in my house.

Eva, we are always cool.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:40 PM
June 14, 2012 9:41 PM - Slope4Eva
I don't know what's funnier, everyone picking on poor Tina, or, Pete's staunch defense of her.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:41 PM
June 14, 2012 9:41 PM - Partridge
I'll take all the herring you throw at me!
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:41 PM
June 14, 2012 9:41 PM - bxgrl
DH- in answer to the question- candidate A. :)
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:41 PM
June 14, 2012 9:42 PM - bxgrl
I will never understand herring :(
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:42 PM
June 14, 2012 9:44 PM - petebklyn
well, didn't you love gilligan's island?
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:44 PM
June 14, 2012 9:48 PM - ilovestoops
Arkady: there's a food forum on this site - please share your recipe with everyone, not just dh. There had been a recipe there from eva but it's missing now. What is corned beef? I've never eaten it because it sounds like some fake meat.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:47 PM
June 14, 2012 9:49 PM - Slope4Eva
The Professor!!

What??? My recipe is gone, lol. Who edits around here, lol.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:49 PM
June 14, 2012 9:49 PM - petebklyn
what's to understand? it is fish and it smells and tastes bad. you prefer gefilte maybe?
June 14, 2012 9:52 PM - bxgrl
It's not- it's salt-cured. Lots of ways. Very good actually. Especially with sauerkraut.
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June 14, 2012 9:53 PM - bxgrl
Indeed Pete- good gefilte fish is not fishy at all. My aunt used to serve it in - of all things- alphabet soup. Weird thing was it actually tasted quite good.
June 14, 2012 9:54 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Evening, loserinos :-)

The missing recipe is my fault. I couldn't sleep and started clearing up some spam at 4am (ugh!) and accidentally deleted the recipe :-( Almost wiped out a couple OTs too! Whooopsie!
June 14, 2012 9:54 PM - Partridge
It is salt cured beef, Stoops.

from Wikipedia:
Due to the ubiquity of salting beef for preservation in many cultures, corned beef features prominently as an ingredient in many cuisines, including the Jewish, Irish American, and Caribbean cuisines.

It is Jewish Bxgrl!
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:54 PM
June 14, 2012 9:56 PM - bxgrl
Yes!! Now to patent the stuff and charge the Irish!
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:56 PM
June 14, 2012 9:59 PM - Deleted
"Yes!! Now to patent the stuff and charge the Irish!"

hah - that would be great. some lawyer sends a cease and desist letter to some small town in ireland.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:59 PM
June 14, 2012 9:59 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
A lawyer? Who needs a lawyer? I only charge 6 figures per hour. Glitter not included.
Edited at June 14, 2012 9:59 PM
June 14, 2012 10:02 PM - petebklyn
the irish are broke. almost as bad as the greeks. go for where the money is. cayman islands.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:02 PM
June 14, 2012 10:02 PM - Slope4Eva
No problem, Snappy. I thought maybe someone tried it and wanted to spare everyone else.

Come 'on, we give you Jameson's, Guiness, etc. I'd say we're more than even.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:02 PM
June 14, 2012 10:04 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Eva,
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June 14, 2012 10:04 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
But perhaps it was a subconscious statement...I'm not a mac and cheese eater.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:04 PM
June 14, 2012 10:06 PM - petebklyn
okay. bedtime...good night all.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:06 PM
June 14, 2012 10:07 PM - bxgrl
You're hired, snaps! I need to invoice all the small towns in Ireland first.

eva- we'll negotiate. :)
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:07 PM
June 14, 2012 10:08 PM - Deleted
wait, what? you don't like mac and cheese? i always imagine peace in the middle east would be reached over a bowl of mac and cheese. EVERYONE likes it!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:08 PM
June 14, 2012 10:08 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Bxgirl, before I get to work, I'll need the retainer check :-) Only $75,000. Pay up!
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:08 PM
June 14, 2012 10:09 PM - bxgrl
DH- she doesn't like chocolate and loves cheap swill (although I must admit, cheap swill has its charms).
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:09 PM
June 14, 2012 10:09 PM - bxgrl
The cat I gave you is worth that much!
June 14, 2012 10:10 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Nope, DH, mac and cheese is on the super long list of things I just won't eat.

1. Velveeta is GROSS
2. I've had m&c with other real cheeses, still GROSS
3. For some reason, I just can't bring myself to eat elbow shaped macaroni - I know, it's all the same, but I just can't do it.
4. I love cheese, but it does not belong on pasta like that - GROSS!
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:10 PM
June 14, 2012 10:11 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Bxgirl, he's broken about that much worth of stuff! LOL
June 14, 2012 10:13 PM - Slope4Eva
Goodnight, Pete.

Snappy, no problemo.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:13 PM
June 14, 2012 10:14 PM - bxgrl
I trained him well then :P
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:14 PM
June 14, 2012 10:15 PM - Arkady
O.K. Corned beef recipe is up. I also have a phenomenal mac & cheese recipe that one of the kids I mentor makes - but it is extremely laborious. MM makes a simply wonderful mac & cheese.
(And Snappy eats other pasta dishes w/ cheese - consistency is the hobgoblin...)
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:16 PM
June 14, 2012 10:15 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
He deserves a certificate in destruction...hence his name!
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:15 PM
June 14, 2012 10:17 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
But Arkady, I only put a bit of parmesian on pasta...never other cheeses - GROSS! But I've given up pasta and traded it in for shiritaki tofu noodle substitute. Healthier.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:17 PM
June 14, 2012 10:18 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I remember when MM yelled at me when I told her I wouldn't be tasting her m&c that night! LOL
June 14, 2012 10:19 PM - ilovestoops
I put eva's recipe back on the food forum. Snappy - please don't erase it even though you hate mac cheese! (lol)

Arkady - thanks for posting the recipe.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:19 PM
June 14, 2012 10:20 PM - Deleted
Dumont makes a pretty great mac and cheese without elbow macaroni (it's a weird shape, no idea what it's called) with some fancy cheeses (gruyere and white cheddar i think) and bacon.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:20 PM
June 14, 2012 10:20 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
LOL, Stoops! I promise that if I wind up deleting spam in the middle of the night again, I'll shine up my glasses before I start :-)
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:20 PM
June 14, 2012 10:21 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I LOVE GRUYERE! Goes great in a sammy with bacon, granny smith apple slices and fresh sliced turkey breast. Yumola.
June 14, 2012 10:22 PM - Slope4Eva
Oh, thanks Stoops, I was just going to see if I still had a copy on my computer. I sense a Mac and Cheese bakeoff.
June 14, 2012 10:22 PM - Arkady
Carbonara, Snaps?
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:22 PM
June 14, 2012 10:23 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I've never had a carbonara with cheese in it.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:23 PM
June 14, 2012 10:23 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Perhaps it wasn't a true carbonara?
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:23 PM
June 14, 2012 10:28 PM - Slope4Eva
Arkady, the recipe sounds delish.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:28 PM
June 14, 2012 10:29 PM - Deleted
"Oh, thanks Stoops, I was just going to see if I still had a copy on my computer. I sense a Mac and Cheese bakeoff."

can i be a judge?
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:29 PM
June 14, 2012 10:30 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Time for me to go toss and turn. Nite folks!
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:30 PM
June 14, 2012 10:31 PM - Slope4Eva
Sure, DH.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:31 PM
June 14, 2012 10:31 PM - Slope4Eva
Nite, Snaps.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:31 PM
June 14, 2012 10:31 PM - Deleted
sweet!!
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:31 PM
June 14, 2012 10:34 PM - Not_Logged_In
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Edited at June 14, 2012 10:34 PM
June 14, 2012 10:37 PM - Arkady
Prince is driving Beckett nuts-o!
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:37 PM
June 14, 2012 10:51 PM - bxgrl
I'll warn MM that a mac and cheese competition is in the works.
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:51 PM
June 14, 2012 10:56 PM - Partridge
Bxgrl- have you, MM and CGar worked out a gathering date yet?
Edited at June 14, 2012 10:56 PM
June 14, 2012 11:22 PM - bxgrl
we're working on it. Or rather, Mr. CGar is working on it :)
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:34 PM
June 14, 2012 11:45 PM - Slope4Eva
Goodnight, all.
Edited at June 14, 2012 11:45 PM