Tuesday Open Thread
December 27, 2011 8:17 AM - CGar
Revenge of the Dog People

316 comments
December 27, 2011 8:21 AM - dibs
Whatever.
Edited at December 27, 2011 8:21 AM
#1
December 27, 2011 8:24 AM - CGar
GM and STFU, dave.
#2
December 27, 2011 8:26 AM - dibs
Whatever.
#3
December 27, 2011 8:28 AM - CGar
I see someone didn't add a new phallus to their collection for Christmas.
#4
December 27, 2011 8:29 AM - dibs
"Federal Gas Use At 25 Year High As Obama Seeks Green Fleet"

That's your government getting bigger and bigger. And you wonder why the Tea party was formed??
#5
December 27, 2011 8:30 AM - dibs
No, but I did get abused on Boxing Day.
#6
December 27, 2011 8:30 AM - dibs
Is Menard back from vacation???
#7
December 27, 2011 8:31 AM - Deleted
aaaah - have off from work until the 4th. life is good.
#8
December 27, 2011 8:32 AM - CGar
"That's your government getting bigger and bigger."

As Jeff Goldblum said in The Big Chill, "I wish everything did."

(Ugh. Just realized The Big Chill was released 2 years before DH was born!!)
#9
December 27, 2011 8:32 AM - dibs
You just fucking started. How can you have a week off already??? Are you working for the government?????
#10
December 27, 2011 8:35 AM - Deleted
haha dibs - new gig is very liberal with days off. they had off for over a week around thanksgiving too
Edited at December 27, 2011 8:35 AM
#11
December 27, 2011 8:35 AM - CGar
"I did get abused on Boxing Day"

Which no doubt you deserved.
#12
December 27, 2011 8:36 AM - Deleted
i might go shopping near my old job, stand outside their windows and taunt them with my freedom
#13
December 27, 2011 8:38 AM - dibs
Maybe you could "do lunch" with rob???
#14
December 27, 2011 8:45 AM - Deleted
nah, not the biggest wendy's chilli fan
#15
December 27, 2011 8:45 AM - Deleted
don't the republican males have lunch anymore?
#16
December 27, 2011 8:47 AM - Kensingtonian
Dh, I am off till next year too. Do we work at the same place???
#17
December 27, 2011 8:48 AM - dibs
Ever hear the Monkeys sing Riu Chiu???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_hlYgCNFZc
#18
December 27, 2011 8:55 AM - lechacal
Morning.
#19
December 27, 2011 8:57 AM - dibs
Are you back with the east coast elitists, lech???
#20
December 27, 2011 8:58 AM - Deleted
haha kens - maybe!
#21
December 27, 2011 9:01 AM - Donatella
GM.
Something big supposedly happened at some football game last night. I have no idea what.
Nice picture of the dog, CGar. I really like Golden Retrievers - also Labs.
#22
December 27, 2011 9:01 AM - Kensingtonian
We actually have a few dirty hipsters at our office so maybe you just blended in well and I didn't see you!
#23
December 27, 2011 9:04 AM - BoerumHillScott
Good morning from Baton Rouge.

The weather looks nice, since the whole family is going on some sort of wildlife center animal tour thing today.
#24
December 27, 2011 9:05 AM - Kensingtonian
Dh, I got an idea.....Friday let's go have lunch at blue ribbon and coffee at gorilla right by rob's house so he hates Park Slope even more. Then we can sit right on his building stoop, drinking coffee and smoking cigs and discussing moonfacy things like opening up food trucks in the TD bank parking lot....oh, and don't shave for a week.
#25
December 27, 2011 9:07 AM - Deleted
haha kens - sounds like a good idea! maybe after coffee we can get moonface yogurt at culture!

i had the no shaving thing down but i had to shave before christmas cuz my mom gets pissed when i go home and i'm not clean shaven :(
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:07 AM
#26
December 27, 2011 9:10 AM - Deleted
Kens;

If you want to go moonfacey, Ozzie's is the place for coffee. Sit in there for an hour and a half staring at your Mac. Rob will never talk to you again.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:10 AM
#27
December 27, 2011 9:11 AM - Kensingtonian
Speaking of Christmas, any of you goyims got any good gifts that you actually wanted?
#28
December 27, 2011 9:12 AM - dibs
I didn't actually want anything except my mother's fudge and that arrived last week.
#29
December 27, 2011 9:13 AM - Kensingtonian
I don't have a Mac benson. Will iPad work?


Speaking of apple, dh, you happy with your switch from crackberry to iPhone? I am due for an upgrade and have a had time deciding to jump ship or not
#30
December 27, 2011 9:14 AM - Arkady
Kens - I did. Among others, a new supposedly squirrel-proof bird feeder.
Benson - You might be interested in this piece from the Grey Lady on MS research:
http://tinyurl.com/7d546cp
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:14 AM
#31
December 27, 2011 9:14 AM - Deleted
yeah kens, very happy. really not sure how i was able to live without an iphone.
#32
December 27, 2011 9:15 AM - dibs
Arkady, that feeder whatchamacallit you gave me wouldn't attach. The feeder s I have don't have any sort of ring on the bottom to clip to.

:(


#33
December 27, 2011 9:19 AM - Kensingtonian
Is ur battery life lasting u a full day though? Did u get used to typing on it? I do a lot of texting and email answering on it.
#34
December 27, 2011 9:19 AM - Arkady
The L-shaped fruit thing?
#35
December 27, 2011 9:21 AM - dibs
No, the thing that catches the seed (nh). The fruit thing I just screwed into the wall (nh).
#36
December 27, 2011 9:22 AM - Donatella
I got a gift membership from audible.com. This is an Amazon company and the membership entitles you to download one audio book per month for a couple of months and listen to it on your iphone. I really and truly don't want this but there is no way to return it without contacting the person who bought it for me.

I see that and think there is 10 hours of my life talking to some technical customer service person in the Phillipines. Plus, you can't listen to this stuff in the car (driving in Brooklyn requires 100% concentration) or on the train when I get maybe 2 minutes of peaceful sitting time. I would rather just read a book at home which is the only place I could listen to the book. These things are favorites of people who drive long distances in other parts of the country.
.

Edited at December 27, 2011 9:22 AM
#37
December 27, 2011 9:23 AM - Arkady
Oh, the net. What about the seed ports - couldn't you hook it on those? Or, if there's a knurled hole in the bottom of the feeder you can buy a catch tray & use that.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:23 AM
#38
December 27, 2011 9:24 AM - Donatella
I did get a cute pair of earrings.
#39
December 27, 2011 9:25 AM - Deleted
battery life is fine, but i leave it plugged in mostly at work. typing is okay too - not as fast as blackberry. the imessage thing is cool tho - basically bbm but for iphone peeps.
#40
December 27, 2011 9:25 AM - Donatella
oh and I own Amazon stock so that is a good thing re the audible.com.
#41
December 27, 2011 9:25 AM - Arkady
Dona - Did you look at 'returns' on Amazon? I think you can easily get a credit w/o alerting the donor. A friend of mine (?!?!) gave me an elaborate vegetable cookbook that, needless to say, I'm returning. All you need is the order number.
#42
December 27, 2011 9:31 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
ooooh i got a 50 dollar amazon gift certificate email!!!! i never know what to get! last year i bought paints and brushes with, the year before that i bought a gazillion pound bag of dog food. i try to use it for practical things. any suggestions?

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 9:31 AM
#43
December 27, 2011 9:32 AM - Donatella
Arkady, I did speak to a customer service person in the Philippines and she told me that I couldn't exchange it for any other Amazon product because audible.com is a separate company even though it is owned by Amazon.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:32 AM
#44
December 27, 2011 9:33 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
why is shipping SO expensive on amazon tho? the dog food i bought was like 20 bux for the food and i wanna saying like more than that for shipping alone!

*rob*

#45
December 27, 2011 9:34 AM - dibs
Dona, you can return anything and get an Amazon credit.
#46
December 27, 2011 9:35 AM - dibs
rob, you have to shop around on Amazon sometimes for shipping on stuff like that. If the shipping doesn't make it worth it then you don't buy it. Simple.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:35 AM
#47
December 27, 2011 9:36 AM - DeLepp
dona, drew brees of the New Orleans Saints passed Dan Marino's 1984 record for passing yardage.
#48
December 27, 2011 9:37 AM - dibs
DeLepp, you get BOTD...Butch of the Day


Edited at December 27, 2011 9:37 AM
#49
December 27, 2011 9:40 AM - DeLepp
dibs, merci. Was at Keen's last night, place was mobbed.
#50
December 27, 2011 9:40 AM - Donatella
Maybe I will try again re the audible.com. I will call Amazon rather than audible. They have good customer service.

Tks, Delepp. I think that is what Lech was watching with his KCMO friends in the bar.


#51
December 27, 2011 9:42 AM - Donatella
Anything I buy on amazon is free. Amazon prime. Is that customer specific, i.e. I buy a lot of stuff there so I qualify for prime? Shipping is free.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:42 AM
#52
December 27, 2011 9:46 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
Amazon Prime? sounds like a cartoon character. so people get special benefits on amazon the more they buy? ugh. figures

*rob*

#53
December 27, 2011 9:49 AM - Deleted
*Rob*

Speaking of moonfaces and coffee shops....

...have you checked out the cafe/art gallery that opened up around the corner from me, on 4th Ave between 2nd and 3rd Street? The name of it is - I kid you not - "Two Moons". It is run by two young girls who clearly are moonfaces.

Since their property abuts mine, I went in to have a coffee and wish them well. When I went in, I realized I was in the wrong place. They looked shocked that anyone over the age of 30 would patronize their place.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:49 AM
#54
December 27, 2011 9:50 AM - Deleted
haha amazon prime - optimus' brother from the jungle.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:50 AM
#55
December 27, 2011 9:51 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
LOL @ two moons. at least they are honest! i havent been there.. i find the brooklyn "art" scene totally jejune.

*rob*

#56
December 27, 2011 9:54 AM - Donatella
SHIPPING is free for me on Amazon.

You're over 30, Benson?
#57
December 27, 2011 9:55 AM - dibs
Not an Amazon Prime member or an Amazon cardholder yet i find most things do ship for free.
#58
December 27, 2011 9:55 AM - Deleted
Rob;

All kidding aside - I tip my hat to anyone who takes a chance to open up a business. These two girls look like they are under the age of 25, and I admire their spunk, even if the place is not for me. At the least, they did a good job of cleaning up the back yard of their property, which my balcony overlooks.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:55 AM
#59
December 27, 2011 9:56 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
I guess lots of stuff ships for free or little if you do the 5-7 day option right? im usually very impatient tho and opt for overnight if possible

*rob*

#60
December 27, 2011 9:56 AM - Deleted
"You're over 30, Benson?"

Yes, believe it or not, I am. I'm 31.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:56 AM
#61
December 27, 2011 9:57 AM - Deleted
i find people under the age of 25 who open businesses in nyc suspicious. where do they get the $$$?
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:57 AM
#62
December 27, 2011 9:57 AM - Arkady
The Amazon card is great. I love using the points to do free check-out. Better than most reward returns.
#63
December 27, 2011 9:58 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i just wish they would open up businesses that were a little more relevant if you know what i mean. how many overpriced coffeeshop/"art gallery" (and i say art gallery VERY lightly can one neighborhood have? im sorry, but people bug out when there's too many check cashing places and wig shops, but at least those are useful. most coffee shops flat out suck.

*rob*

#64
December 27, 2011 9:58 AM - Deleted
By the way: one of the two girls is rather attractive. The other one would be, but she has one of those damn loop earings in her nose.
#65
December 27, 2011 9:59 AM - Deleted
"im sorry, but people bug out when there's too many check cashing places and wig shops, but at least those are useful."

not to people with hair and bank accounts
#66
December 27, 2011 10:00 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
i find people under the age of 25 who open businesses in nyc suspicious. where do they get the $$$?


duh

#67
December 27, 2011 10:00 AM - dibs
"The other one would be, but she has one of those damn loop earings in her nose."

This makes me believe you are not 31.
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:00 AM
#68
December 27, 2011 10:03 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
what was their cankle status? did you happen to get a look?


*rob*

#69
December 27, 2011 10:03 AM - Donatella
Out of all the facial mutilations favored by the hipster crowd, the nose tether is the worst. That's what they use on cattle. Awful.

*rob* what kind of stores would you like to see? Fulton St. is now getting a lot of bars. I would just love to have a green grocer open 12/7.
#70
December 27, 2011 10:04 AM - Deleted
Rob;

You'll have to check that out. Go and take the place in. Enjoy the art on display too!
#71
December 27, 2011 10:05 AM - dibs
I cooked foie gras for the first time ever on Sunday. I got it at Los Paisanos and it was much cheaper than anywhere I saw online. It came out perfect. I served it with a balsamic vinegar and red currant (my own red currants) reduction.
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:06 AM
#72
December 27, 2011 10:05 AM - Deleted
very 1% dibs!


Edited at December 27, 2011 10:05 AM
#73
December 27, 2011 10:06 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
who needs more bars. they are a dime a dozen and most new ones that open up are complete rip offs. green grocers do nothing for me as well, again complete rip offs. the produce is just as healthy and fresh at associated. to be flat out honest with youd rather see empty lots and boarded up store fronts cuz it keeps the rent down.

*rob*

#74
December 27, 2011 10:07 AM - Donatella
Fulton Street between Vanderbilt and Washington Ave: Bodega, nail place, hair place, bar, wine store, Beny Delice, hair place, nail place, hair place, nail place, bar, hair place, nail place, bar, Drug treatment center, nail place, hair place, chinese place with bullet proof plexiglas, nail place. Also, hair place and bar. And check cashing place.
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:07 AM
#75
December 27, 2011 10:07 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
GM

Yes, I got a cookbook that I really wanted. And I got artwork by short people which is so wonderful, it inspired me to make a wall of short people's art in the apt. I also got a beautiful 'fluffy' large knit scarf from BH's aunt, which I never would have picked for myself (not my colors), but I love.
#76
December 27, 2011 10:07 AM - Deleted
oh boo - bored to death was cancelled.

jonathan ames had a wake a brooklyn inn

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/costly_fun_funeral_BhjYvTyWFjnehgbBt15gzO


#77
December 27, 2011 10:08 AM - Deleted
it's shocking how shitty of a retail strip fulton street is in ft greene / clinton hill.
#78
December 27, 2011 10:08 AM - dibs
rob, this one's for you.....

"Rent" Pet Shop Boys


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d0GARTk_Nk
#79
December 27, 2011 10:11 AM - Donatella
Yes, dh, it IS truly shitty. The absolute pits. Further west is is ok and Myrtle Ave (use to be called Murder Ave) is becoming a little Smith Street. But near me is still solidly ghetto.
#80
December 27, 2011 10:11 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
wow, donnas being a h8r today!!!

omg, BODEGA NAILS!


#81
December 27, 2011 10:11 AM - dibs
"it's shocking how shitty of a retail strip fulton street is in ft greene / clinton hill."

You should travel further east and see it!!!!!!!
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:11 AM
#82
December 27, 2011 10:12 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"A friend of mine (?!?!) gave me an elaborate vegetable cookbook"

And this person has known you for how long??
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:12 AM
#83
December 27, 2011 10:13 AM - dibs
This one's for you, Arkady....


#84
December 27, 2011 10:14 AM - Deleted
yeah dona, i've always wondered why myrtle is improving at a greater pace than fulton.
#85
December 27, 2011 10:14 AM - Donatella
I like those nails *rob*. I mean I wouldn't wear them, but they are kind of impressive in a strange kind of way. I kind of feel that I am going into diabetic shock just looking at them.
#86
December 27, 2011 10:14 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
ew those drinks look completely menstrual

*rob*

#87
December 27, 2011 10:18 AM - Arkady
Yeah, can you believe it, CHiller? We've known each other for 35 years!!! And she knows I don't read a lot of books she likes too, but continues to suggest them. So I might've gotten an Annie Dillard... Icky-goo.
#88
December 27, 2011 10:18 AM - Deleted
I can't figure out why Fulton St. in FG/CH doesn't have better retail. Not only have the residential neighborhoods gentrified, but BAM is flourishing too. It's amazing to me that there aren't more places in the immediate vicinity of BAM that can capture the crowd as they come out of events there.
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:18 AM
#89
December 27, 2011 10:24 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I can't figure out why Fulton St. in FG/CH doesn't have better retail.

maybe some people just flat out refuse to give into pressure and economic bullying?
maybe some people dont NEED or WANT moonface money, ever think of that? i know it's shocking, but having the ENTIRE city gentrified is NOT a good thing regardless of what people think.


*rob*

#90
December 27, 2011 10:25 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
35 years!! Wow. May be a lovely person, but is seriously not paying attention!
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:25 AM
#91
December 27, 2011 10:27 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Upper Myrtle was a shock to me when BH and I were walking around looking at apts. It's changed so much since BH lived over there just 4.5 short years ago.
#92
December 27, 2011 10:29 AM - Arkady
Her rationale:
I knew these were not your usual favorite foods, but perhaps you might love some of these dishes. I instantly thought of you when I saw that it was by a London restauranteur. I thought his writing might take you back to the wild and carefree days of your life in London.

#93
December 27, 2011 10:31 AM - Arkady
As another friend of mine commented: She could be sure you didn't already have it.
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:31 AM
#94
December 27, 2011 10:33 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
UGH. im trying to get into an old email account on yahoo but i forgot my password and the security question comes up "where did you spend your honeymoon" what the HELL would i have answered for that!?!?

*rob*

#95
December 27, 2011 10:35 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
" knew these were not your usual favorite foods, but perhaps you might love some of these dishes."

Positively delusional! I'm guessing you weren't eating veggies in London either! LOL!

"She could be sure you didn't already have it."
Snort!
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:35 AM
#96
December 27, 2011 10:36 AM - Donatella
I think there are a couple of reasons to explain the phenomenon in my area: 1977 blackout riots caused a closure of retail in the area from Clermont to Vanderbilt and ultimately the businesses closed and buildings were torn down to create the Brooklyn Tech football field, 470 Vanderbilt Ave (now housing HRA and soon to be other state offices) which takes up a whole block, tearing down the buildings in the Gates, Clermont, Fulton triangle which used to have buildings and retail (now a little park). The Mitchell Lama houses further west have no retail. Also the corner of Vanderbilt and Fulton has a gas station which takes up a huge amount of space where retail might have been (and used to be).

The buildings on Fulton have been owned by many of the merchants (African, Middle Eastern, Palestinian) and they have low costs and don't particularly care about services, i.e. Country House Diner has maybe 2 people in it on a busy day. It has been owned by a Palestinian family for 50 years. The parents got huge business from the neighborhood and the Navy yard back in the day. Now they just keep at it but nobody is ever there except on Sunday am. It will change but not until the economy as a whole improves and real estate values increase.
#97
December 27, 2011 10:39 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
It will change but not until the economy as a whole improves and real estate values increase.

that will not be happening in ANY of our lifetimes.

*rob*

#98
December 27, 2011 10:42 AM - dibs
quote:
It will change but not until the economy as a whole improves and real estate values increase.

that will not be happening in ANY of our lifetimes.

*rob*

In 5 years there won't be a bodega anywhere near you. Get ready for the Apocalypse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpvLCptAHT8

**Someday This war's gonna end**

Edited at December 27, 2011 10:44 AM
#99
December 27, 2011 10:43 AM - rf
The family that owns the bullet proof Chinese place on the corner of Washington and Fulton (Happy Chinese Restaurant) (unless they sold out in the last year) is wonderful. They have bullet-proof glass but they leave the windows open. You can talk to them about what you really want. They have been there for a long time--before 2000. I have to stop by to say hello. Their younger daughter should be a sophomore in college. I really should stop by to say hi.

Besides, you skipped Sushi Tatsu Japanese/Thai!
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:43 AM
December 27, 2011 10:43 AM - Donatella
Well, I guess I better get my nails done and buy some canned goods.
December 27, 2011 10:46 AM - Donatella
I left out several businesses, rf; I was taking poetic license. Generally it is pretty funky.
December 27, 2011 10:47 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
nails DID, not done

*rob*

December 27, 2011 10:48 AM - Donatella
tks *rob*; gotta get with the program. Gotta go.

Have a good day, losers!!
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:48 AM
December 27, 2011 11:11 AM - dibs
I think that's a record long thread kill, dona.
December 27, 2011 11:18 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
im having a horrible time deciding what to buy on amazon!!!!!

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 11:18 AM
December 27, 2011 11:25 AM - MontroseMorris
Why don't you hold on to the gift certificate until something comes up, and you can get something you need. You don't HAVE to spend it immediately.
Edited at December 27, 2011 11:25 AM
December 27, 2011 11:26 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
true true. very good advice, i think im going to do that. do you know how long that money will stay in my account?

*rob*

December 27, 2011 11:51 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Amazon gift cards never expire, rob. You can hold onto it and use it whenever you like.
Edited at December 27, 2011 11:51 AM
December 27, 2011 11:53 AM - dibs
Or, you could sell it on craigslist.
December 27, 2011 11:55 AM - dibs
I've paid for things off of craigslist.
December 27, 2011 12:07 PM - dibs
We all have Mayor Bloomberg to thank for a longer life.....

New York City Life Expectancy Rises to 80.6 Years, Mayor Says

Dec. 27 (Bloomberg) -- The life expectancy of a New York City baby born in 2009 is 80.6 years, three years higher than in 2000 and above the national rate of 78.2 years, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said today.
The mayor cited the city’s health interventions, including its anti-smoking campaign and expanded testing and treatment for the HIV virus. Bloomberg released the figures today in joint statement with Deputy Mayor Linda Gibbs and Health Commissioner Thomas Farley.
The life expectancy for 40-year-olds in New York increased by two-and-a-half years to 82 from 2000 to 2009, the mayor said.
The gain was greater than the 1.2-year gain for the same age group in the U.S. as a whole.

December 27, 2011 12:21 PM - petebklyn
maybe you should rethink retiring somewhere else.
And great to hear you like all these big gov't interventions. You're coming around.
Edited at December 27, 2011 12:21 PM
December 27, 2011 12:26 PM - dibs
Where I retire will be where I can pay the least amount of taxes.
December 27, 2011 12:28 PM - petebklyn
you a fan of Family Guy show?
Edited at December 27, 2011 12:28 PM
December 27, 2011 12:29 PM - dibs
Never seen it.
Edited at December 27, 2011 12:29 PM
December 27, 2011 12:29 PM - petebklyn
"will be where I can pay the least amount of taxes." -- penny wise pound foolish. you can't take it with you.
December 27, 2011 12:30 PM - dibs
No, but i can spend it instead of giving it to the government.
December 27, 2011 12:30 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
I do not think life average life epectancy rising is necessarily a good thing. It really is extremely expensive to care for people that age and quality of life is low. More medicare costs, more social security costs, etc.

quote:
The mayor cited the city’s health interventions, including its anti-smoking campaign and expanded testing and treatment for the HIV virus.

that has NOTHING to do with it. seriously. what a turn burglar nanny state dictator he is patting himself on the back for all his dumb rules He has about as much to do with the reason life expectancy is raising as al gore does with the internet.

*rob*

December 27, 2011 12:31 PM - dibs
Besides, I'll need it to buy a generator and gas for the generator.
December 27, 2011 12:35 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
You going 'off the grid", DIBS? Are you buying guns and ammo, too? ; )
Edited at December 27, 2011 12:35 PM
December 27, 2011 12:36 PM - dibs
No, Cobble. I'll still be able to walk to The Carversville Inn
Edited at December 27, 2011 12:36 PM
December 27, 2011 12:38 PM - petebklyn
just making the marinade for a sauerbraten - which I'll cook for new year's eve. never done one before
December 27, 2011 12:39 PM - dibs
"sauerbraten"

I love it when people cook things that mimmick their own personalities.
December 27, 2011 12:39 PM - petebklyn
those generators are noisy mothers. no quiet in the country with one of those running.
Edited at December 27, 2011 12:39 PM
December 27, 2011 12:40 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I was joking, DIBS. generator...guns...no? Oh well.

Satellite view makes it look so bucolic there.
December 27, 2011 12:40 PM - petebklyn
meaning very tender delicious meat.
December 27, 2011 12:41 PM - dibs
Actually you can get propane ones that are much quieter.
December 27, 2011 12:45 PM - petebklyn
our neighbors have the propane one that starts up every time we lose electric. which is pretty often.
still pretty loud.
December 27, 2011 12:57 PM - DeadCatBounce
Pete - it is better to have a backup generator than to find fault with everything and every one
Edited at December 27, 2011 12:57 PM
December 27, 2011 12:57 PM - dibs
Pete, do you lose power and heat a lot during the winter??? What do you do then, just cuddle up around a fire??? What if you had PLUSA guests and there were some whom you didn't want to cuddle with????
December 27, 2011 12:59 PM - dibs
So true, DCB. Watt Pete doesn't understand is, at his age, he needs to keep the joules warm.
December 27, 2011 1:00 PM - dibs
I wonder if Arc ady is going to join in??? Ohm gonna bet she does.
Edited at December 27, 2011 1:00 PM
December 27, 2011 1:01 PM - MontroseMorris
I guess you'd freeze then, Dave.

Sorry, but you set yourself up for that one.
Edited at December 27, 2011 1:01 PM
December 27, 2011 1:01 PM - dibs
MM, your wit is shockingly good this morning.
December 27, 2011 1:04 PM - DeadCatBounce
There are many alternating currents running through this discussion
December 27, 2011 1:08 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I think this punfest is about to short circuit.
December 27, 2011 1:10 PM - dibs
There are also a few AC/DC posters as well. I hope this doesn't ignite the fuse of a full blown punfest
December 27, 2011 1:10 PM - dibs
We need to get back to the main topic
December 27, 2011 1:11 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
If we blow a fuse, someone can just hit the breaker and give us a jump start.
December 27, 2011 1:12 PM - MontroseMorris
Thank you, Dave. Is it still morning where you are?

Edited at December 27, 2011 1:12 PM
December 27, 2011 1:15 PM - dibs
Well, I'm mourning the fact that you're here.
December 27, 2011 1:15 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Snort! I'm changing your name to MontroseSnark for the afternoon! ; )
December 27, 2011 1:16 PM - dibs
If she keeps typing, I'm gonna breaker fingers.
December 27, 2011 1:30 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
DIBS, you're all talk and no spark!
December 27, 2011 1:32 PM - dibs
Wanna bet...
December 27, 2011 1:35 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
That's a demon cat from hell, DIBS!
Edited at December 27, 2011 1:35 PM
December 27, 2011 1:37 PM - dibs
Whatever...
December 27, 2011 1:40 PM - Deleted
I think the change in life expectency has more to do with the city's changing demographics than Nanny Bloomberg's interventions.

Memo to Nanny Bloomberg: making the city increasingly unaffordable to the lower rungs of the economic strata is one way to improve the statistics on health. Hey, maybe you can get the Port Authority to increase the tolls by another $10!! That would really improve the statistics.
Edited at December 27, 2011 1:40 PM
December 27, 2011 1:41 PM - Arkady
Back from errands - Tuesdays I can't leave the car in a static position.
December 27, 2011 1:42 PM - Arkady
Gotta get the punning amped up.
December 27, 2011 1:43 PM - Arkady
Perhaps we need a plug for more word games.
Edited at December 27, 2011 1:43 PM
December 27, 2011 1:44 PM - Arkady
So the pun-haters won't re-volt.
December 27, 2011 1:44 PM - Arkady
Guess I went into overload...
December 27, 2011 1:44 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
exactly benson!

*rob*

December 27, 2011 1:44 PM - dibs
Arkady, maybe you could do power points and teach us all. How'd you like that anglophile terminology I threw in!!!!!
Edited at December 27, 2011 1:44 PM
December 27, 2011 1:47 PM - Deleted
Haha benson. Well said
Edited at December 27, 2011 1:47 PM
December 27, 2011 1:51 PM - dibs
I think the tolls should be raised. Why should we allow out-of-towners to drive in with their polluting cars at all? Take a train.
Edited at December 27, 2011 1:51 PM
December 27, 2011 1:52 PM - Deleted
Man. I guess everyone gave moonface coffee as Xmas presents. The two spots near me were totally wiped out of beans. The horror.
December 27, 2011 1:53 PM - Deleted
Dibs. Tolls are a slippery slope. Whenever people start talking about that putting tolls on east river crossings eventually gets brought up.
December 27, 2011 1:55 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
We got 1 lb. of coffee for Christmas, but it had been brought in by a friend of ours who vacationed in Central America recently.
December 27, 2011 1:55 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I liked the idea of only allowing delivery trucks into the city during the night.
December 27, 2011 1:56 PM - Arkady
dibs - Good that you have the UK flex-ibility.
Edited at December 27, 2011 1:56 PM
December 27, 2011 1:56 PM - dibs
Well, dh the east river crossings still cross into parts of NYC. NJ, on the other side, is NOT part of NYC, or even NYS.


December 27, 2011 1:57 PM - Arkady
I'm down to the wire on errands before the monsoon hits. Switching off for now.
December 27, 2011 1:58 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
oh i would not be shocked at ALL if moonfaces start claiming some sorta high end bean shortage going on just so they can jack up their prices anymore!! im onto their little games...

*rob*

December 27, 2011 2:00 PM - Deleted
No argument from me there dibs. Aren't all the river crossings managed by port authority tho?
December 27, 2011 2:01 PM - Deleted
Non commercial traffic from jersey should be forced to swim
December 27, 2011 2:01 PM - Deleted
DIBS;

As you well know, a large number of NYC's executives live in Northern NJ. Want to see companies pull out?

How about another idea? How about trying to lower the cost of doing business in this city, before it totally turns into a habitat for the precious and immigrants that bus their dishes.
Edited at December 27, 2011 2:01 PM
December 27, 2011 2:01 PM - dibs
yes, they are. And they have discretion, as far as I know, as to which ones they can raise.
Edited at December 27, 2011 2:01 PM
December 27, 2011 2:03 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
How about trying to lower the cost of doing business in this city, before it totally turns into a habitat for the precious and immigrants that bus their dishes.

and dont forget the nannies that RAISE THEIR KIDS!

*rob*

December 27, 2011 2:07 PM - sixyearsandcounting
GM. I think we should start tagging buildings near *rob* as a public service - all the graffiti will lower the rents. Although maybe the moonfaces will find it "edgy" and rents will actually go up.
December 27, 2011 2:08 PM - Deleted
If graffiti made rents low, Williamsburg would be a whole lot cheaper
December 27, 2011 2:10 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
park slope is way more yuppie frumpy than moonfacey.. but yes that doesnt help much with the rents either.

*rob*

December 27, 2011 2:11 PM - dibs
Why should rents ever go down????? Taxes don't.
Edited at December 27, 2011 2:11 PM
December 27, 2011 2:14 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
well if anything they shouldnt get jacked up so high and so fast. this is why i think every apartment in nyc SHOULD be stabalized no matter what. i believe it's like that in jersey city for any building with more than 3 apts



*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 2:14 PM
December 27, 2011 2:16 PM - sixyearsandcounting
My maintenance fees go down next month. Or rather, the maintenance goes up and the special assessment ends, so there's a net decrease in fees. Why the co-op board decided that is a mystery to me - our reserve fund has I think $500K but we need more since the building is due for a new boiler in a few years.
December 27, 2011 2:16 PM - dibs
rob, why don't you go over to brownstoner today and post on the Crown heights RS apartment building thread. There's a very welcoming audience for that point of view over there, myself included.
Edited at December 27, 2011 2:16 PM
December 27, 2011 2:17 PM - rf
MM, I sent you an email. You still there? I sort of answered my own question, at least part of it.
Edited at December 27, 2011 2:17 PM
December 27, 2011 2:25 PM - Deleted
Brownstoner site seems to be down.
Edited at December 27, 2011 2:25 PM
December 27, 2011 2:26 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
im banned over there, dave. and i refuse to create another nic so they can fudge with their user #'s. also i dont support cyber dictatorship and censorship (and toolbagginess)




*rob*

December 27, 2011 2:27 PM - dibs
It seems to be working fine for me, benson. Don't confuse apathy and inactivity with a technical malfunction.
December 27, 2011 2:30 PM - dibs
Knicks hired Jeremy Lin. maybe I'll take a more hardened interest in the team now.
December 27, 2011 2:44 PM - dibs
Speaking of apathy and inactivity.....
Edited at December 27, 2011 2:44 PM
December 27, 2011 2:48 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
oh wow is basketball finally adding a bit of diversity to the game these days!?!?

*rob*

December 27, 2011 3:08 PM - dibs
Here's a perfect example of a portion of the government that SHOULD grow because it will generate more private sector jobs and more income; yet, it is fraught with incompetence, beauracracy and red tape...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-27/u-s-should-ease-visa-access-to-entice-more-tourists-wielding-cash-view.html
Edited at December 27, 2011 3:13 PM
December 27, 2011 3:27 PM - sixyearsandcounting
I visited brownstoner earlier to see that Crown Heights thread but now I get a message saying "Access to the webpage was denied. You are not authorized to access the webpage at http://www.brownstoner.com/. You may need to sign in."
December 27, 2011 3:29 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
that crown heights thread was all full of mean and nasty comments. the 40 dollar haircut williamsburg thread was funny tho.

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 3:29 PM
December 27, 2011 3:29 PM - dibs
Do people in your building pee in the hallways, rob?????
December 27, 2011 3:30 PM - sixyearsandcounting
"that crown heights thread was all full of mean and nasty comments. "

Yeah, it was like the good old days of 2008 over there.
December 27, 2011 3:37 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Do people in your building pee in the hallways, rob?????

No, even tho we are renters we take pride in our building. oh yeah we paint our own apartments. so i will give you those two points. but seriously, a lot of people are stuck in their financial situation and cannot move as i probably imagine the people in that building.. i lived in a building once where people peeing in the stairwells was a problem. awful. but i assume it wasnt the people who actually lived there but guests... not that that that makes any better. and honestly if i lived in a roach and rat infested apartment with holes in the walls and no plumbing (ew) or heat i would never have guests over.

quote:
Do people in your building pee in the hallways, rob?????

no. but they do treat it like a free stroller parking garage :-/

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 3:37 PM
December 27, 2011 3:39 PM - Deleted
You know what my big project is during my vacation? Transferring my VHS home movies to DVD's. I'm so cutting-edge!
Edited at December 27, 2011 3:39 PM
December 27, 2011 3:43 PM - dibs
benson home movie.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiIJDNe-pDI&feature=related
Edited at December 27, 2011 3:43 PM
December 27, 2011 3:43 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Benson, I spent a few months transferring all my cassettes to ITunes. It was a real trip down memory lane, listening to all 80s glam metal.
Edited at December 27, 2011 3:43 PM
December 27, 2011 3:54 PM - Deleted
One thing that struck me while watching my home movies: my family had a thick, thick Brooklyn accent back then. My sister sounds like Joy Behar!!
December 27, 2011 3:54 PM - DeLepp
Middle class in NYC? I'm trying to determine if $500/month in property taxes for a one bedroom in 2014 is worth having to deal with bierdos, thin gays and pork pie hats.
Edited at December 27, 2011 3:54 PM
December 27, 2011 3:59 PM - dibs
"bierdos (sic), thin gays and pork pie hats."

I'm seeing more and more of these elements in Bed Stuy. That said, I'm also seeing more of them in Philly and that'll be worse because after those fads die out in NYC, they'll hang on for another 5-10 years in Philly.

:(
Edited at December 27, 2011 3:59 PM
December 27, 2011 4:00 PM - dibs
The tight pants are the worst.
December 27, 2011 4:00 PM - dibs
Speaking of undesirables, where's jester. Surely a few misplaced scrotum grabs aren't cause for blogicide.
December 27, 2011 4:01 PM - DeLepp
The tight pants are the worst.

one way to not being able to procreate.
December 27, 2011 4:02 PM - Deleted
It's a good thing that Mr. B. shut down the OT over there. The dialogue is so elevated now!
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:02 PM
December 27, 2011 4:04 PM - dibs
deLepp, there are always tradeoffs in life. You could move to bed Stuy, buy a building and pay less than $2,000 a year in RE taxes but then your marriage will fail because Andy doesn't like the A/C line!!!!!!!
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:04 PM
December 27, 2011 4:07 PM - DeLepp
dibs, yep I can't see us doing the Fred and Ricky thing in BedStuy.
December 27, 2011 4:08 PM - DeLepp
Still lots of DAs in Philly?
December 27, 2011 4:08 PM - dibs
The occcasional mullet.
December 27, 2011 4:11 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
why the HELL is soho a zoo today!? christmas is over!!!!!!!!! GO HOME! and what is up with chicks still wearing those smelly Ugg boots!?

*rob*

December 27, 2011 4:11 PM - petebklyn
"trying to determine if $500/month in property taxes for a one bedroom in 2014 is worth" --
move to a 2 bedroom
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:11 PM
December 27, 2011 4:12 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i have hundreds of videos and movies i made that i want to get transferred to dvd or digital as well!! what is the easiest way to go about this? are recordable dvr players cheap cheap cheap yet?

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 4:12 PM
December 27, 2011 4:13 PM - DeLepp
"move to a 2 bedroom"

and then become a hotel for all the out of towners, no thanks
December 27, 2011 4:16 PM - Deleted
Rob;

If you pay someone to do it, it will be mad expensive - about $14 per tape.

If you have alot of tapes, best to buy your own recorder and do it yourself. I searched around, and the best one is a DVR made by Sony VRD - MC6. Goes for about $110, is very easy to use, and makes high-quality copies.
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:16 PM
December 27, 2011 4:17 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
adopt a baby and stick it in that second bedroom. FYI asian babies are out and babies from Africa are in these days (at least for the gays)

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 4:17 PM
December 27, 2011 4:17 PM - dibs
"and then become a hotel for all the out of towners, no thanks'

What if we brought alcohol???
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:17 PM
December 27, 2011 4:18 PM - dibs
I never made any home movies. I suspect that if i did they'd be X rated
December 27, 2011 4:18 PM - petebklyn
"i have hundreds of videos and movies i made that i want to get transferred to dvd or digital as well!" -
easier to just buy new porn.
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:18 PM
December 27, 2011 4:19 PM - dibs
Also, I haven't bought any porn in about 10 years. Pete, there's this new stuff called the Internet.
December 27, 2011 4:21 PM - petebklyn
does benson know he is in a gay bar right now?
December 27, 2011 4:23 PM - DeLepp
dibs, strangely enough I don't drink much at home!
December 27, 2011 4:23 PM - dibs
He'll be fine as long as he doesn't venture into the back room.
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:23 PM
December 27, 2011 4:24 PM - dibs
I don't either, DeLepp. But if you had guests you would.
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:24 PM
December 27, 2011 4:25 PM - petebklyn
cheaper to drink at home. I believe in frugality.
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:25 PM
December 27, 2011 4:25 PM - dibs
Pete, do you have a refrigerator large enough for the box of wine???
December 27, 2011 4:27 PM - petebklyn
Jug wine here.
December 27, 2011 4:30 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
oooooh maybe i can use my amazon gift card money toward it!! thanks, benson. yeah i have a LOT of stuff to transfer. 9/10ths of it total art class garbage, but still, it's my garbage


*rob*

December 27, 2011 4:32 PM - petebklyn
have a good evening. I'm headed to forest hills (not lawn) in a few minutes.
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:32 PM
December 27, 2011 4:32 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
"i have hundreds of videos and movies i made that i want to get transferred to dvd or digital as well!" -
easier to just buy new porn.

LOL! it's not porn. i got rid of my VHS porn when i was evicted from my apartment on the LES and was borderline homeless. (i actually put them in two milk crates and left them outside for the taking)

*rob*
December 27, 2011 4:34 PM - dibs
rob, which porn went first?? I bet the shemale stuff was cleaned out first.
December 27, 2011 4:37 PM - sixyearsandcounting
I'm off to see the eye doctor this afternoon. I might get new glasses too but I'll try not to look too hipster-ish. Although I think that can be avoided since my haircuts are only $12, not $40.
Edited at December 27, 2011 4:37 PM
December 27, 2011 4:38 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i dont know. an hour later it was just ALL gone, crates and all. i guess it was some greedy perv's lucky day?

*rob*

December 27, 2011 4:38 PM - Deleted
"does benson know he is in a gay bar right now?"

What does it matter? I'm old, washed up, unattractive. Heck, even Jester didn't molest me!
December 27, 2011 4:40 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
shemale porn is just creepy. im sorry but big tits and a flaccid dick (tho i guess they get around that with viagra these days!?) is just an awful look

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 4:40 PM
December 27, 2011 4:41 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Heck, even Jester didn't molest me!

LOL. im sure he was just one more drink away...

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 4:41 PM
December 27, 2011 5:07 PM - sixyearsandcounting
TKOTD. 26 minutes and counting...
December 27, 2011 5:08 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
today was DEAD at work. i imagine the rest of the week will be the same.

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 5:08 PM
December 27, 2011 5:51 PM - dibs
"What does it matter? I'm old, washed up, unattractive. Heck, even Jester didn't molest me!"

All attractive features for some of the most sought after Silverdaddies!!!!!
Edited at December 27, 2011 5:51 PM
December 27, 2011 6:28 PM - dibs
Does anyone want to buy a pair of Thai chofas????

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110799796180#ht_500wt_898
Edited at December 27, 2011 6:28 PM
December 27, 2011 6:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
seriously, my blood pressure (and sanity) go from out of control back to normal the second i leave soho and get back home to park slope. that neighborhood is just a total fucking nightmare and gets worse every year. imagining having your work office in the fucking Mall of America but 10x worse cuz it's outdoors!?! gaaah.

*rob*

December 27, 2011 6:58 PM - Kensingtonian
Why did brownstoner froze midday? I haven't looked at that site in a while but decided to now and it seems like someone fell asleep at their dumbo loft keyboard today
December 27, 2011 7:08 PM - rf
kens, you can't see it now? I see it, but the last post (about a tip from Denton, BTW) is from 1 p.m.
December 27, 2011 7:11 PM - Kensingtonian
I can see that last post. That's why I said froze midday. Nothing past 1 pm
December 27, 2011 7:15 PM - rf
Benson posted earlier that he was unable to see it at all without logging in.
December 27, 2011 7:15 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
it's called phoning it in. duh

*rob*

December 27, 2011 7:18 PM - MontroseMorris
For some reason it's not working on Firefox too well, but it's fine on Google Chrome. Brownstoner, that is.

Also, they are only having limited postings, not the full contingent of articles. I have no posts there this week.
December 27, 2011 7:25 PM - dibs
Slacker.
Edited at December 27, 2011 7:25 PM
December 27, 2011 7:25 PM - rf
MM, I hope the guy gave you a Merry Christmas check, instead of stiffing you for the week!
December 27, 2011 7:34 PM - CGar
"Does anyone want to buy a pair of Thai chofas????"

Are they sleeper chofas or settees?
December 27, 2011 7:37 PM - dibs
They are temple artifacts. Don't be blaspheming.
Edited at December 27, 2011 7:37 PM
December 27, 2011 7:43 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
That Crown Heights thread is, uhm, so familiar...will Mr. B toss all of them off??!!
December 27, 2011 7:54 PM - dibs
Why Cobble? No one swore or said anything racist. I don't think there was one personal attack.
Edited at December 27, 2011 7:54 PM
December 27, 2011 7:58 PM - rf
I don't think that's why the OT was tossed off Brownstoner. He just thought we were a little club using the OT as our clubhouse and he didn't like it.
December 27, 2011 7:59 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Why Cobble? No one swore or said anything racist. I don't think there was one personal attack."

I'm only being half-serious, DIBS.
Edited at December 27, 2011 7:59 PM
December 27, 2011 8:11 PM - lechacal
Belly full of beer and meat, again. System desperately needs vegetable matter. Eyeing dead grass in lawn as option. Must escape soon.
December 27, 2011 8:14 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
How long are you out there for, lech?
December 27, 2011 8:21 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
my Co-Worker BFF who left last month to have a baby posted pics of her baby and in one it's totally flipping the bird to the camera. AMAZING hahahah

*rob*

December 27, 2011 8:23 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
it's funny when you see the babies of people you actually like versus random babies on the street how different it is.

all babies still suck tho.

*rob*

December 27, 2011 8:27 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i HAVE learned lately to bite my tongue on facebook pics of people's babies... someone deleted me once cuz i said her outfit was a tad lesbo (in a good way). it really was a lesbian looking outfit, i thought that's what they were going for! no one found it funny and i was deleted as a friend. ce la vie!

:-/

*rob*
December 27, 2011 9:27 PM - rf
Where's Donatella? I want to discuss Clinton Hill/Ft. Greene.
December 27, 2011 9:29 PM - Deleted
I'm here, Rf. Want to discuss Hicksville?
December 27, 2011 9:30 PM - rf
No thank you. I have my memories!
December 27, 2011 9:35 PM - Deleted
As I mentioned above, I'm spending the day transferring my home videos of 25 years ago to DVD. Talk about memories - some happy, some bittersweet. At that time, my wife's Lupus was really bad, and we had some hard times. My folks had to take care of my daughter half the time.
December 27, 2011 9:36 PM - rf
Change your mind, Benson?
December 27, 2011 9:40 PM - Deleted
Why do my posts go blank sometimes?

I'll try again. As I mentioned above, I spent the day transferring home movies to DVD's. Talk about memories - some happy, some bittersweet. When my daughter was a baby, my wife's Lupus was really bad, and my mom had to take care of her half the time. Watching the videos brings back those days. I was fortunate to have a good support system.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:40 PM
December 27, 2011 9:44 PM - Donatella
I'm here. I spent 45 minutes with the audible.com help desk. In Jamaica. I then successfully downloaded a book on calming down. It goes through the chakras one by one. I am now as calm as I was before the phone call.

Yes. We were discussing Clinton Hill. Please dont get upset rf about my whining about Fulton Street. I just use that as an aggregator of my life's frustrations. Please tell me you heard that there is going to be a new green grocer right near the C train station......
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:44 PM
December 27, 2011 9:46 PM - lechacal
I'm pretty sure Toby Kieth is a closet homo.
Edited at December 27, 2011 9:46 PM
December 27, 2011 9:53 PM - Donatella

I recently saw some video my father took of us growing up. It had a lot of footage of my brother, who we lost. Tons of family parties. And all the older generation, except for my parents, all mostly not with us anymore. And memories of crazy fun times.


December 27, 2011 10:04 PM - sixyearsandcounting
I have some footage of my grandmother's home movies from the 1930s and early 1940s. It includes my grandparents' road trip from North Dakota to Yellowstone and Salt Lake City, and random footage of the small town in ND where my grandma lived. There's maybe thirty seconds of my grandparents' wedding in Wausau, Wisconsin - my grandma's entrance to the church on her father's arm, then leaving with my grandfather. Probably the best though is of my mom when she was a baby, with her dad (who died when she was four). And if you like cheesy parades, the ND 50th Anniversary of Statehood parade probably suits you.

Just for Benson, Lech, DonaT, and DIBS, there's also extensive footage of Wendell Willkie's whistle-stop speech in Bismarck in 1940.
December 27, 2011 10:16 PM - Donatella
Those movies sound great six. Our movies start in the mid 50s. Benson, do you think that all of you had thick Brooklyn accents back then because there really WAS that accent back then? Or do you think you had broader contact as you spent less time in Brooklyn as you grew up, losing some of the accent? I am nostalgic for old fashioned NY accents and old fashioned accents in general. One of my friends loves the old radio broadcasts which play on some station on Sat afternoon. I do too. It reminds me of the generation which is pretty much gone.

I don't think I have a strongly identifiable accent but I may be kidding myself.
December 27, 2011 10:21 PM - rf
No, but I think you are mistaken about a few of the things you wrote. The Brooklyn Tech field was built on an empty lot:
http://www.bthsalumni.org/Document.Doc?&id=16

And 470 Vanderbilt Ave. was a factory building constructed in 1931. When I moved to Clinton Hill in 1989 it still had some factory stuff but it was mostly empty except for a vocational program for the chronically unemployed and disabled, to improve their office skills, run by the State U. of NY. I believe this school is still in existence, in downtown Brooklyn now. The building was emptied and started renovations in 2000 to be used as a telecom center--something that was obsolete before it was finished.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/13/nyregion/metro-business-old-factory-recast-as-hub-for-internet.html

It was re-renovated and now will be occupied by HRA.

I don't think there was ever much retail on Fulton St. between Vanderbilt and where Greene runs into it. But I may be wrong. I think the triangle that's now a park at Gates-Fulton-Vanderbilt-Clermont was just a dumping ground before it was fixed up as a garden. Cuyler Gore Park, the big triangle at Greene/Fulton/Carlton was built in 1901 so no stores there. Not sure about what was on the other side of Fulton there. The Parks Dept. website says it deteriorated in the 60s and 70s and was rebuilt in 1981:
http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/cuylergorepark/history

I was wondering where you heard about the damage during the blackout of 1977. I'm sure there was trouble, but I never heard that it was very bad over there with huge amounts of damage. Other retail strips in Brooklyn--Broaday in Bushwick and parts of Brownsville--were devastated.

I know you've talked to some retailers on Fulton in Clinton Hill. I think the old timers will eventually see that they can make much more money by modernizing or selling to people who will modernize. There really aren't so many nail salons, lol, although many beauty parlors and barberS--the older daughter of the family that runs the Happy Chinese Restaurant at Washington and Fulton opened a nail place in Bushwick somewhere because the rent was too high on Fultonm, considering the competition. Several interesting looking little dress shops, and a friend told me that the African clothing store that just moved up the block from Washington does a great job tailoring. Several new little restaurants but several that didn't last.

I know it's 3 or 4 blocks from you, but the strip in Ft. Greene has several good places to buy a tomato, and there's Choice on Greene between Cambridge and Grand, where I used to do my laundry after my washer broke in Clinton Hill.

Dave is right that most blocks of Fulton in Bed-Stuy, especially down his way, are much worse. Right around the Kingston-Throop C train station there are 2 blocks of Fulton St. with approx. 100 African hair braiding stores and not much else. Up my way between Bedford and Nostrand there are a bunch of chain stores (Gamestop, Payless Shoes, Radio Shack, Foot locker, some others I can't think of right now) and there are banks and Foodtown and Duane Reade at Restoration a little further down.
December 27, 2011 10:24 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Watching the videos brings back those days. I was fortunate to have a good support system.

when i talked to my grandmother the other night after she got out of the hospital she said "you need me and i need you" and it sorta kinda floored me in a weird way. my first gut instinct was thinking, ugh i dont NEED anyone. that's not exactly the best way to go about life.

tho, dave, i NEED you to do my taxes in a few weeks!!!

*rob*

December 27, 2011 10:25 PM - Deleted
Donatella;

It's interesting that you bring that up, because I've been pondering the same thing looking at the videos (I'm up to 1987). I think it's a bit of both. Looking at those videos, I realize that Brooklyn has lost a lot of the "close-knitedness" that was its hallmark back then. It was genuine, and it had its good and bad points. It was doubly so for Italians in Brooklyn. We had our own world - now virtually gone. Everyone had the "cugine" look (pronounced "Koo -zheen"), and part of that look was to out-dress each other. My father and my father-in-law looked like they stepped out of Frank Sinatra movie (that's what my daughter said - she doesn't remember then looking like that - she only has memory of them when they were older). To my father and his type, Brooklyn was the world.

Alas, a world gone by.


December 27, 2011 10:27 PM - lechacal
Managed to get TV switched from Toby Keith (closet homo) to Zombieland (good!). This is the first tv I have watched in a long time, but I'm going pretty light on the sanctimony this trip.
December 27, 2011 10:28 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i have no video footage of my family, but i do have pictures. im not gonna be all white-trash hatey like RF is (lol, sorry, but you KNOW it's true...) those pictures are funny. 3rd birthday party with my cake and me with a pissy look on my face in front of beer cans, ash trays, and cheeze doodles lol. if someone saw that picture these days the would call child services! im not ashamed of where i came from, in fact cheeze doodle, beer, and cigarette parties makes me who i am today and i wouldnt give any of that up in the world for ponies, sparkling water, or fraumajraunaettes (if you dont know what those are then LOL you were sheltered)

*rob*


*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 10:28 PM
December 27, 2011 10:32 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I don't think I have a strongly identifiable accent but I may be kidding myself.

you definitely have an accent, but i would never place it as brooklyn exactly cuz it's not heavy. if that makes any sense. i love accents. except for french and canadian and some british areas. i imagine i dont have any kinda of jersey accent. i definitely have a gay accent sometimes tho.

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 10:32 PM
December 27, 2011 10:32 PM - rf
Rob, there are plenty of kids growing up in the city having birthday parties with ashtrays and beer cans and cheez doodles. Just because they don't live in your building doesn't mean they don't exist.
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:32 PM
December 27, 2011 10:34 PM - Deleted
"there's also extensive footage of Wendell Willkie's whistle-stop speech in Bismarck in 1940"

Wendell Wilkie was great. If folks had listened to his message back then, we wouldn't be where we are today wrt the entitlement state. I recommend that folks read Amity Shlaes "The Forgotten man" to get a better appreciation of Wilkie.
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:34 PM
December 27, 2011 10:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I know it's 3 or 4 blocks from you, but the strip in Ft. Greene has several good places to buy a tomato

LOL people paying for tomatos

*rob*

December 27, 2011 10:38 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
It was doubly so for Italians in Brooklyn. We had our own world - now virtually gone. Everyone had the "cugine" look (pronounced "Koo -zheen"), and part of that look was to out-dress each other.

so nothing's REALLY changed when you think about it... "outdressing each other" kinda thing..

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 10:38 PM
December 27, 2011 10:38 PM - lechacal
My resting heart rate is now in the 40s
December 27, 2011 10:40 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Rob, there are plenty of kids growing up in the city having birthday parties with ashtrays and beer cans and cheez doodles. Just because they don't live in your building doesn't mean they don't exist.

well ill be damned, RF, ya dont say! :-/

*rob*

December 27, 2011 10:40 PM - Deleted
*Rob*

Who dresses up anymore? Back in those days, we dressed up for EVERYTHING. And I'm not talking about putting on a pork pie hat.
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:40 PM
December 27, 2011 10:42 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
in fact i see the children of yuppies here in park slope spending all their money on junk food all the time in bodegas... and you can totally SMELL the money off them (sorry but it's true, you know a poor kid versus a rich kid when you spot them, much like adults). it's just a kid/early teenage thing. is it good? no, but whatever. those parents posing like they feed their kids organic this and that dinners every night arent around to see what their kids are stuffing their faces with in the bodegas. and yeah, i laugh.


"NOT MY CHILD!!!!"
lolz

*rob*

December 27, 2011 10:43 PM - Donatella
rf, I can walk 10 minutes and get a tomato at 3 different locations but I guess every place I lived had a place like that near the train station. The info I got on the neighborhood was bits and pieces and I did not research it. But I got it from people who lived here their whole lives. The triangle on Clermont, Gates and Fulton was definitely a building with retail on the street floor. I did not research dates but neighbors told me that. Re 470 Vanderbilt, I think that is relatively new. I would need to research it. And I know the Palestinian guys who own country house diner. And I made that up about 15 nail and hair salons. There are many of them, though.

Benson, there is a new Staten Island accent which I did not grow up with. I don't know what it is really - maybe a combo of old Brooklyn and something else. One of my sisters has this accent now. A friend of mine "got" it somehow. One test of this accent is to ask someone to say "nice". They will say something like "noice". It's new.
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:43 PM
December 27, 2011 10:46 PM - rf
Donatella, you don't have to research it. Property Shark says it was built in 1931. Read the NY Times article. I was there when it was emptied out and rebuilt the first time.
December 27, 2011 10:50 PM - Donatella

Benson, dressing up is really sort of over and it is really sad. And you grew up with the great Italian tradition of getting spiffed up and showing off and doing the paseo. How do you say it in Italian? In Spain, you get gussied up and walk around the plaza and say hi to your neighbors and enjoy looking good and checking out other people. My grandfather was a real dandy, dressed in custom suits, jewelry and Stetson hats. He was as Irish as they come, but I think the Latins and Italians have that burned into their cultural DNA.

December 27, 2011 10:52 PM - Donatella
rf, was the parking lot always there too? That is a half a block. From Clermont to Vanderbilt, the north side of the block.
Edited at December 27, 2011 10:52 PM
December 27, 2011 11:04 PM - Donatella
rf the Brooklyn Tech field was finished in 2001 and the riots and fires were in 1977, which would have been enough time to make the space into a lot. But you have me curious. I am going to ask the ladies who have been here since the 60s. I'll see what they have to say. Also, 470 was refurbished by the Carlyle group as a high tech industrial space but it never filled up. I am wondering what used to line Fulton between Clermont and Vanderbilt in the 6os and 70s. You have me curious.
December 27, 2011 11:08 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Who dresses up anymore? Back in those days, we dressed up for EVERYTHING.

well ive always tried to dress up in my best at all of the gatherings. ::offended::


*rob*

December 27, 2011 11:09 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
well not really. i do have a tendency to dress like a hobosexual most of the time. at work i try not to but ive still been called a "raggamuffin" and a hobosexual before :-/

*rob*

December 27, 2011 11:12 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Benson, there is a new Staten Island accent which I did not grow up with. I don't know what it is really - maybe a combo of old Brooklyn and something else. One of my sisters has this accent now. A friend of mine "got" it somehow. One test of this accent is to ask someone to say "nice". They will say something like "noice". It's new.

they either watch way too much MTV or spend too much time at the bingo parlours. lol @ it being both.


*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 11:12 PM
December 27, 2011 11:14 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Read the NY Times article.

you know what be awesome on this board, scott? subnics. and she NEEDS to have that as her subnic

*rob*

December 27, 2011 11:15 PM - rf
The parking lot was there when I moved in in 1989. Not sure about before that. The tall buildings west of there on the south side of Fulton St. going down toward Atlantic (with the big dentist/orthodontist office on the ground floor) are projects, not Mitchell-Lama buildings. They were built in the early 70s. The 3-family houses further down were built in the mid-90s. They were sponsored by the NYC Housing Partnership and sold to moderate-income families ($50k-100k). THe NYC Housing Partnership also sponsored the condos behind the triangle park on the north side of Fulton, in the late 80s.
December 27, 2011 11:17 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Benson, dressing up is really sort of over and it is really sad. And you grew up with the great Italian tradition of getting spiffed up and showing off and doing the paseo.

rubbing motor oil in ones hair, donning an ill-fitted suit, and having people spit and rub it out on your shoes is NOT "dressing up" that's as tacky as thick framed glasses, fugly ass outta control beards, and jeans that give you man-al-toe these days. people think the past is all that but it's not, it's kinda sorta just as lame as today, no?

*rob*

December 27, 2011 11:19 PM - Deleted
Donatella;

The Italian term is "fare una passeggiatta", which sort of translates to "make a promenade". The NY/Brooklyn accent has morphed into a different animal. Too much watching "Jersey Shore", as Rob says.
Edited at December 27, 2011 11:19 PM
December 27, 2011 11:20 PM - sixyearsandcounting
lol @ hobosexual

"birthday parties with ashtrays and beer cans and cheez doodles"
I remember when Biff, dh, and I went pub-crawling through Clinton Hill to look for a venue for a PLUSA event, and we walked into a baby shower where you could get a contact high.

"Back in those days, we dressed up for EVERYTHING."
Benson, I didn't think Brooklynites were still dressing up in the 1990s - you had a very formal childhood for a 31-year-old.

As for Willkie being in family films, I found out my grandfather was a big Republican. He ran in the 1944 primary for ND state insurance commissioner and lost by a huge margin (my grandma: "bahhhh he never had a chance! I don't know what got into his head!". I have to do some more research into that election. When I found that out, it struck me as odd because my mom and grandma are hardcore Democrats.
December 27, 2011 11:20 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
it's no different than people thinking their 300 dollar jordans "look good" newsflash, it doesnt. it's tacky as all fuck and just shows you are a dick swagger with no bank. sorry, but it's true. all cultures do it, tho i find the moonfaces who do it the most vile of the bunch.


*rob*

December 27, 2011 11:20 PM - lechacal
Rob, you're being a cunt again.
Edited at December 27, 2011 11:20 PM
December 27, 2011 11:22 PM - lechacal
Though I am sorry for saying I would kill your dog. I wouldn't actually kill your dog. I was annoyed that you called my mom a bitch.
December 27, 2011 11:26 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i called your mom a bitch cuz you said she blew up your house, ran away to australia and wont meet her grandkids. if that doesn't qualify as the definition of bitch then i dont know WHAT does.

what if i said my dog mauled a baby, then went and bit someone else, came back inside and blew up the house and then he refused to give me paddies when i went to bail him outta K9 a prison? id kill him a lil bitch too!

i didnt MEAN anything by it. im sure your mom is a wonderful person down in australia, baking cookies in the meth lab and shit.

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 11:26 PM
December 27, 2011 11:27 PM - Deleted
""Back in those days, we dressed up for EVERYTHING."
Benson, I didn't think Brooklynites were still dressing up in the 1990s - you had a very formal childhood for a 31-year-old."

6;

Huh? You lost me. I was talking about the 1980's, and the era of the "cugine". It ended in the late 80's.

Also, I'm not necessarily talking about wearing a suit. The main point was to spend some prep time to look good. Some may call it superficial, and no doubt part of it was. Nevertheless, I'll take it over the scene one encounters in most restaurant these days, where the guy next to you thinks he's the bomb because he put on a fresh T-shirt.


December 27, 2011 11:28 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Rob, you're being a cunt again.

im an Aquarius. leave me alone, we are misunderstood.

*rob*

December 27, 2011 11:30 PM - rf
Donatella, this is the Times article from 2000:

Metro Business; Old Factory Recast As Hub for Internet
Published: June 13, 2000
The Carlyle Group and Chase Capital have begun renovations on a Brooklyn tire valve factory to create a $70 million complex for Internet companies pushed out of Manhattan.

The old factory building, at 470 Vanderbilt Avenue in Prospect Heights, will be the site of the Atlantic Telecom Center, a 750,000-square-foot project, said Gabe L. Finke, a principal at Carlyle Realty.

The center is intended to be a site where Web hosting companies can set up servers and routers, as well as offices for the people who maintain the equipment. The developers plan to install communications lines capable of handling heavy Internet traffic at the fastest speeds available.

Leasing has begun, but Mr. Finke would not identify tenants. Rents are to be about $20 a square foot, which Mr. Finke called a bargain.

''With Manhattan prices spiking, I expect the cost of doing business will be half the price,'' he said.

At least 300 people are expected to work at the building, and the figure could approach 1,000, Mr. Finke said. The site is near subway lines and the Long Island Rail Road.
end of article

This project was a failure. By the time they finished the renovation, there was no need for a "site where Web hosting companies can set up servers and routers, as well as offices for the people who maintain the equipment. " Carlyle sold it and it went through various plans including a hotel, a bowling alley, office space with retail, etc., but it was always mostly empty until HPD signed the lease. There were plans at one point to build something residential where the parking lot is now but who knows. And I don't see any stores popping up in 470.

I suspect that whatever retail may have existed between Vanderbilt and Carlton probably was in the same shape as the retail east of Vanderbilt. In the early 90s it was a lot worse with many boarded up buildings. At least now most of them are occupied. Many of the empty lots between Grand and Classon had derelict buildings that were torn down in the 90s. Going toward Atlantic, like on Waverly, there were a lot of industrial buildings.
December 27, 2011 11:30 PM - lechacal
It's kind of like black people using the n word, rob. Only I get to call her that.
December 27, 2011 11:32 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
The main point was to spend some prep time to look good. Some may call it superficial, and no doubt part of it was. Nevertheless, I'll take it over the scene one encounters in most restaurant these days, where the guy next to you thinks he's the bomb because he put on a fresh T-shirt.

but they spend HOURS farming their lice beards in front of their phone for all to see back home... doesn't that count, Benson!?!!?

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 11:32 PM
December 27, 2011 11:32 PM - sixyearsandcounting
"6;

Huh? You lost me. "

You were joking earlier today about being 31. I realize 9:56 am was eons ago in OT time, however.
December 27, 2011 11:35 PM - rf
I think it was pretty universal. You see old newsreels of baseball games and everyone is wearing a hat and wearing a jacket and tie. It ended in the 60s.

Benson, I think Six is goofing on you from earlier today when talking about the cafe next to your building, you said you were 31.
December 27, 2011 11:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
It's kind of like black people using the n word, rob. Only I get to call her that.

:-/ that makes no sense, unless you are calling me a bitch who doesnt have enough bitch-cred to call others bitches. i dont get where youre going with this here. your mom is an evil bitch, ala Kimberly Shaw from Melrose Place (she was a doctor too btw, AND blew up the Melrose Place apartment complex)!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nLvfDYgDrE

oh yeah, she's not a bitch, right? :-/




*rob*

December 27, 2011 11:41 PM - Deleted
Rob;

Here's an article that agrees with you:

"When cugines were the hipsters of Brooklyn".

http://reclaimedhome.com/2011/09/16/when-cugines-were-the-hipsters-of-brooklyn/

That video contains a lot of scenes from my youth.
Edited at December 27, 2011 11:41 PM
December 27, 2011 11:42 PM - Arkady
I transferred a bunch of 8 mm movies to video some years ago but they were starting in the 30s & went into the early 50s & didn't have audio. Footage of Times Sq., flying into Nat'l Airport in D.C., my brother & me, my grandparents going on annual jaunt to Atlantic City w/ lots of pix of the Miss America parade. Everyone dressed to the nines for family gatherings, outings & the like. My grandfather in plus-4s on the golf course.
6 - Are any of the ND shots on YouTube? A niece of mine is married to a ND family - they live about 8 miles from the Canadian border. They'd love to see that vintage stuff.
Edited at December 27, 2011 11:42 PM
December 27, 2011 11:44 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
except they didnt quadruple the rent every 5 years, shove shit down peoples' throats (well maybe they did but it was 40 dollar a lb coffee beans), and blog about it all over the fucking internet.

*rob*

December 27, 2011 11:46 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
WASNT 40 dollars a pound coffee i mean...

cuz like, yeah, we ALL know, if you dont pay 10 dollars a cup for your free trade coffee it means 10 third world people will die today :-/

it's like get your stories straight. you wanna do it here, or there? your choice. but i still aint over paying for your bullshit.

*rob*

Edited at December 27, 2011 11:46 PM
December 27, 2011 11:49 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Arkady, I haven't put any on youtube yet - sometime soon, though.
December 27, 2011 11:49 PM - Donatella
People say JFK killed the hat. He hated hats.

*rob* drop the Lech's mother stuff. You are going too far.

Good night everyone.
December 27, 2011 11:51 PM - Arkady
Be sure to let me know when you upload it. Thx.
December 28, 2011 12:11 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
*rob* drop the Lech's mother stuff. You are going too far.

he brought it when he said he would kill my dog (and um, seriously, i dont think anyone is being serious)

*rob*

Edited at December 28, 2011 12:11 AM
December 28, 2011 12:12 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
tho his mom and my dog in a ring would be kinda cool

*rob*
g;nite

December 28, 2011 12:24 AM - lechacal
Nydol
December 28, 2011 1:11 AM - sixyearsandcounting
New York Dept of Labor?
Edited at December 28, 2011 1:11 AM