Friday Open Thread
September 30, 2011 7:56 AM - dibs

600 comments
September 30, 2011 8:12 AM - dibs
Food For Thought....

ON MISSING MILLIONAIRES: The Left
really believes that people are selfless and that personal
gain is not a central part of economic thought, but the
harsh reality of life is that enlightened self-interest is THE
driving force of any working economy. People do what
they must, working within the system they have been
given, to further their self-interest and in so doing further
the interest of the country. People become millionaires
because they have created a product, or sold and idea,
or have created a business that serves the public AND
serves their own interests. That is the nature of things.
But when one becomes reasonably well-to-do, protecting
that which one has earned becomes more and more
difficult. Political forces seem always to be mustered
against you; taxes are raised… often again and again…
forcing the individual in question to take actions to protect
his or her self-interest. Which brings us to the question of
“The Missing Millionaires.” We are speaking here this
morning about Maryland where taxes were raised sharply
in ’09, ostensibly to balance an imbalanced budget
created by the recession of ’08.
Until ’09, the graduated income tax in Maryland moved
up by 0.25% from a base of 3%; but in ’09, hoping to
balance the budget, the legislature ramped up 1.25% on
the incomes above $1.0 million. Something interesting
took place then in ’10: one third of the supposed
millionaires from the previous years disappeared! In ’08
there were three thousand individuals with incomes of
over $1.0 million and in ’09 there were but two thousand.
The state treasurer, doing what the Left always does in
such instances, had linearly forecast an increase of $106
million in new taxes from the “millionaires” but instead, as
those millionaires “disappeared” so to did all of their
potential income taxes. Rather than increasing tax
revenues, the tax increase actually reaped Maryland a
net loss of approximately $100 million instead.
Maryland’s tax authorities succeeded in creating the
perfect test tube for how individuals respond to ill-advised
economic programs forced upon them by authorities:
rather than pay higher taxes, 1000 wealthy Marylanders
chose, probably, to leave for more reasonable economic
climes… Florida perhaps; Virginia almost certainly; S.
Carolina for some and perhaps even Delaware.
Oh, and did Maryland learn anything from this?
Apparently not, for when the budget would not balance
according to the linear forecasting model noted above,
Maryland chose to raise income taxes on everyone in ’10.
The data for taxable ’10 is not yet available, but our
guess is that revenues fell again. Indeed, we’ll bet on it.
#1
September 30, 2011 8:16 AM - CGar
dave, no one knows more about missing millionaires than you...
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:16 AM
#2
September 30, 2011 8:18 AM - CGar
You wouldn't have been marooned if you'd taken your Chris Craft...
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:18 AM
#3
September 30, 2011 8:20 AM - dibs
Yes, but look who I met....
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:20 AM
#4
September 30, 2011 8:21 AM - jessibaby
Dave, anything to back up those "missing millionaires"? I'd like to see proof of 1,000 home sales. not all that likely in a one year period. Also, if NY raised taxes, would you leave, or just organize your income so you didn't hit the threshold And, 2009 wasn't exactly a good year for the economy generally.

Also,if you raise federal taxes, where is everyone going to go? NOWHERE else has a standard of living like we do, right Dave?
#5
September 30, 2011 8:24 AM - DeadCatBounce
Yes Dave, not surprisingly I totally agree. But today I am worked up over the flip side of the same coin: Crony Capitalism:

"Just last week, Léo Apotheker was shown the door after a tumultuous 11-month run atop Hewlett-Packard. His reward? $13.2 million in cash and stock severance, in addition to a sign-on package worth about $10 million, according to a corporate filing on Thursday. "

This will never work.
Just as success must be rewarded, failure should also be dealt with.
What a terrible message to society at large and in particular to the employees of HP.
#6
September 30, 2011 8:24 AM - dibs
jessi...actually I plan to leave NY once I retire. I will be taxed in PA at 3% but in reality hardly taxed at all since pensions and IRA withdrawals are not taxed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes, movements out of states is very common. Why do you think NH has gotten so many people from MA and what do you think drove Nevada?????
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:24 AM
#7
September 30, 2011 8:27 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Anwar al-Awlaki killed by drone strike.
#8
September 30, 2011 8:27 AM - dibs
I agree with you, DCB. The problem is that he most likely received those terms when they signed him on and they legally have to pay out now that they are terminating him. It still rests the whole issue on the Board of Directors either way. Apparently they didn't do their due diligence when they hired him.

That said, to expect someone to turn a company around in this economic environment IN 11 MONTHS is rather ridiculous.
#9
September 30, 2011 8:27 AM - CGar
Washington Post's Eugene Robinson taking a lot of heat for today's column on Christie's obesity. "Whether or not he lets himself be persuaded to run for president, Chris Christie needs to find some way to lose weight."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chris-christies-big-problem/2011/09/29/gIQAAL7J8K_story.html
#10
September 30, 2011 8:30 AM - jessibaby
I'm not saying people don't move for tax reasons, I'm just doubting the decline in your article has to do solely with the tax increase causing people to be less productive. Also, what was his argument - makes you less productiive or makes you move? Garbled. But yeah, using you as an example, you're moving once you retire, once you no longer need to be here for purposes of your work. Those MD people didn't move their factories in a year.
#11
September 30, 2011 8:31 AM - CGar
I wouldn't mind getting paid $23.2 million for 11 months work. Hell, I'd even throw in an extra month and give them a full year, and then call it a day. More than enough to retire on.

For HP, I think that's money well spent...not like the company is struggling or anything. I'd love to know what the compensation committees of the Boards that award these packages are smoking.
#12
September 30, 2011 8:31 AM - sixyearsandcounting
DIBS, does Pennsylvania have a restaurant like this for you to enjoy in retirement?

(photo taken in Al Ain, UAE - Arabic reads "Rooster Hut")
#13
September 30, 2011 8:37 AM - dibs
The Eugene Robinson article....shows how low a Democrat can really go. What an asshole.
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:37 AM
#14
September 30, 2011 8:37 AM - Arkady
Who wrote that article? Anyone w/ decent credentials, or any organ of repute, wouldn't let such a piece go out w/ to instead of too. I call teabags.
#15
September 30, 2011 8:39 AM - CGar
Organ of repute? Teabags?

Puma, we had a genitalia pun fest 2 days ago!!
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:39 AM
#16
September 30, 2011 8:39 AM - dibs
Teabags your ass. Can't you read????? It was a Washington Post article, written by a low life Democrat...as bad as any of the teabaggers who were racist towards Obama.
#17
September 30, 2011 8:46 AM - Arkady
On the missing millionaires?
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:46 AM
#18
September 30, 2011 8:47 AM - dibs
LOL...OK...Dennis Gartman...you can see him frequently on CNBC.
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:47 AM
#19
September 30, 2011 8:48 AM - Arkady
Just stopped in to say GM - I'm in the midst of a puzzle in a good paper.
#20
September 30, 2011 8:53 AM - More4Less
weatherman said mkt with be down today with 25% of going up
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:53 AM
#21
September 30, 2011 8:53 AM - jessibaby
That Christie article is pretty dumb. Everyone knows Christie is fat and anyone who is smart enough to vote is aware of what being overweight can do to your health. He's 49, I doubt he'll die within the next 9 years. Also, I'm thinking he wouldn't be too pleasant on a diet so it's best to keep him focussed on his work, not his calorie count.
#22
September 30, 2011 8:54 AM - Legion
dibs,

On the issue of millionaires who created their own wealth protecting their interests, it is indeed human nature.
People ask why I rail against "socialism", the reason is this, which is one of the central points learned from reading nobel prize winning economist
Friedrich Hayek:
Any large scale form of central planning requires, by definition, a huge concentration of centralized power.
As if to prove my point, recently North Carolina's governor ,Beverly Perdue, stated that she thinks it might be a good idea to suspend elections "for a while".
WTF?
This person is either an ass or worse a politician that doesn't know her place in this society.

What's worse, she tried to backtrack later stating that it was a joke.
Anyone who sees the video realizes she's not only a power hungry fool
but a liar as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/nc-governor-says-comment-about-suspending-congressional-election-was-sarcastic-not-serious/2011/09/28/gIQAfCHm5K_story.html
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:54 AM
#23
September 30, 2011 9:01 AM - CGar
Legion, I defy you to give a single example of things going awry when a politician in power suspended elections.
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:01 AM
#24
September 30, 2011 9:01 AM - Deleted
Dibs. Do u think there should be any sort of capital gains tax?
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:01 AM
#25
September 30, 2011 9:02 AM - Kensingtonian
Dave, just for you..


Edited at September 30, 2011 9:02 AM
#26
September 30, 2011 9:03 AM - Arkady
Everyone already seen the Alessio Rastani rant?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:02 AM
#27
September 30, 2011 9:04 AM - Kensingtonian
And since Legion is a big movie buff, I figured he'd enjoy this..
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:04 AM
#28
September 30, 2011 9:11 AM - Legion
ha CGar,
Why do I think you're setting me up for something?
hummm


kens,
I always used to get Ian McKellen mixed up with Peter O'Toole and the actor who played the King in Bravehart, I forget his name but he was also The Prisoner in that 60's series.
Those older British actors always bring a certain gravitas to the roles they play.


#29
September 30, 2011 9:11 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Ha! Kens, a Russian friend of mine just posted that on fb. Must be making the ex-Soviet rounds...
#30
September 30, 2011 9:15 AM - Legion
...Patrick McGoohan, that's him.


Edited at September 30, 2011 9:15 AM
#31
September 30, 2011 9:16 AM - dibs
There is a cap gains tax. It should remain low. The incentive is for investment longer term. It has worked well. Don't fuck with it.
#32
September 30, 2011 9:18 AM - Kensingtonian
Yup sixyears, those are from facebook. We probably have some friends in common. Is your friend Allen by any chance?
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:18 AM
#33
September 30, 2011 9:22 AM - dibs
Arkady...I agree with 90% of what Rastani said. he's right. He's a trader not an investor and you can make $$$$ on this. I disagree that it'll never get fixed and we'll never come out of it (the cancer analogy) and I disagree that people will be totally wiped out...it aint that bad...but everything else he said is totally correct.

I don't think he cam across as a bad guy or a nut and that was far far from a rant.
#34
September 30, 2011 9:25 AM - More4Less
I'm drinking the koolaid as I aint rich, aint going to be rich,.... so yeah, hike the taxes
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:25 AM
#35
September 30, 2011 9:26 AM - petebklyn
Congratulations to President Obama. Glad to have him as leader of our country.
"American-born Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki -- whose fluency in English and technology made him one of the top terrorist recruiters in the world -- was killed in Friday airstrike in Yemen, officials said.

Al-Awlaki's death, confirmed by U.S. and Yemeni officials, dealt yet another dramatic blow to an al Qaeda network still reeling from the killing and capture of several top leaders this year, most notably Osama bin Laden.

A "successful joint intelligence-sharing operation" between Yemen and the United States led to the attack that killed al-Awlaki, a Yemeni government official said Friday.
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:26 AM
#36
September 30, 2011 9:26 AM - dibs
Hiking cap gains taxes will be a very bad idea and will be very bad for the market and thus, your retirement money.
#37
September 30, 2011 9:27 AM - dibs
I doubt that Obama had much role in orchestrating that attack. he may have given the final "Go ahead" but any president would have done the same thing


Edited at September 30, 2011 9:27 AM
#38
September 30, 2011 9:29 AM - Deleted
I was pleased to discover that there is a large Tea Party group at Harvard Law School. They invited the ex-chairman of BB&T to speak about the Federal deficit, and it was shown on CSPAN tonight.


Edited at September 30, 2011 9:29 AM
#39
September 30, 2011 9:30 AM - More4Less
DIBS, if mkt crashes, things will be cheaper - ie BK Heights brownstone 50% off
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:30 AM
#40
September 30, 2011 9:31 AM - More4Less
if I do become rich, then I'm against tax hikes. I'll change my tune/stripes based on what benefits me most
#41
September 30, 2011 9:32 AM - Deleted
And another thing: that Harvard Law School Tea Party group has some pretty classy-looking women!!
#42
September 30, 2011 9:33 AM - dibs
Classy compared to who, benson????????
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:33 AM
#43
September 30, 2011 9:34 AM - petebklyn
teabaggers at harvard. why am i not surprised?
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:34 AM
#44
September 30, 2011 9:34 AM - Arkady
The guy in the tee isn't Patrick McGoohan.
#45
September 30, 2011 9:34 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
please stop posting half naked pictures of barely legal twats and gorfs. thanks. some of us work in a professional environment and like to keep it that way.

*rob*

#46
September 30, 2011 9:35 AM - More4Less
Benson, so did you get some digits from them classy-looking ladies?
#47
September 30, 2011 9:35 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Kens, nope, my friend's an Elena. But we probably do have friends in common, I don't know your last name though.

I bet the intelligence leading to the al-Awlaki strike was the card Ali Abdullah Saleh played in order for Saudi Arabia and the USA to give him the green light to go back to Yemen in the face of a massive popular uprising.
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:35 AM
#48
September 30, 2011 9:36 AM - Deleted
Elizabeth Warren reminds me of those uber-political women I used to sometimes date. You know the type: you're trying to switch the subject to anything but politics, and she's still on a rant about inequality, the plight of some indigenous people somewhere, saving the whale, etc.
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:36 AM
#49
September 30, 2011 9:37 AM - Legion
Ironically,

It appears that President Obama will go down in history as the most effective in terms of eliminating Al Qaeda leadership.

That was a big success in taking out Al-Awlaki.
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:37 AM
#50
September 30, 2011 9:37 AM - dibs
"I bet the intelligence leading to the al-Awlaki strike was the card Ali Abdullah Saleh played in order for Saudi Arabia and the USA to give him the green light to go back to Yemen in the face of a massive popular uprising."

I agree.
#51
September 30, 2011 9:37 AM - Deleted
Pete;

Wait a minute: I thought they were yahoos? Please get your caricatures straight.
#52
September 30, 2011 9:40 AM - Legion
Arkady,
You are not reading my posts thoroughly.
I said that I used to confuse, Ian McKellen (the guy in the picture) with both Peter O'Toole (Lawrence of Arabia) and Patrick McGoohan (The Prisoner).
But only in their old age, they were all very distinctive in their youth.
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:40 AM
#53
September 30, 2011 9:41 AM - More4Less
Rob, where's the half dressed pics????
#54
September 30, 2011 9:41 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
she's still on a rant about inequality, the plight of some indigenous people somewhere, saving the whale, etc.

ALOL. meanwhile she's jerking you off under the table the whole time

*rob*

#55
September 30, 2011 9:42 AM - Arkady
I understood that, Legion, but the syntax wasn't clear.
#56
September 30, 2011 9:43 AM - dibs
Thank you Meredith Whitney.....

Tax-Exempt Debt in Longest Winning Streak Since ‘02
Sept. 30 (Bloomberg) -- States and cities slashing borrowing to cut costs are driving the $2.9 trillion municipal- bond market to its sixth-straight month of positive total returns, the longest winning streak since 2002.

Edited at September 30, 2011 9:43 AM
#57
September 30, 2011 9:44 AM - bxgrl
"That said, to expect someone to turn a company around in this economic environment IN 11 MONTHS is rather ridiculous."

Oh the irony. Yet Obama is expected to turn the entire economy ( not to mention dealing with the rest of the world) around in under 33?
#58
September 30, 2011 9:45 AM - dibs
it would be nice if he were at least focused on it, bxgrl. Ignoring it for the first year while he pursued Obamacare was absurd.


#59
September 30, 2011 9:46 AM - bxgrl
Yes, Perdue made a ridiculous comment- something which is not going to happen. On the other hand, Republicans in several states are trying to change voting rules in order to stay in power or get them elected. Rules that would affect the elctoral college.
#60
September 30, 2011 9:46 AM - More4Less
DIBS, who are you betting on that will DEFINITELY fix everything once in office?
#61
September 30, 2011 9:48 AM - dibs
I just want a different focus, m4l. This guy is on a leftist agenda we haven't seen in decades. He's dangerous to the long term sustainability of this country.
Edited at September 30, 2011 9:48 AM
#62
September 30, 2011 9:49 AM - sixyearsandcounting
anti-Saleh protest in Yemen earlier this year - that is a LOT of people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFnqn-UL518&feature=player_detailpage
#63
September 30, 2011 9:49 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
can we PLEASE institute Politics-Free Friday?!
PLEASE!? if i wanted to read this shit id be lurking on cnn.com or something.

*rob*

#64
September 30, 2011 9:50 AM - dibs
"Republicans in several states are trying to change voting rules in order to stay in power or get them elected. Rules that would affect the elctoral college."

There was a reason that the Democrats took a "shellacking." This is the result. Eat your peas.
#65
September 30, 2011 9:51 AM - More4Less
DIBS, was just checking/confirming that we still in the "Lesser Evil" debate vs a genuine savior has arrived. with current batch of lesser evils, Obama doing well - despite fact he's been very disappointing
#66
September 30, 2011 9:52 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i am in in a fantastic mood today for some reason.

*rob*

#67
September 30, 2011 9:54 AM - dibs
i am in in a fantastic mood today for some reason.

*rob*


Some new porn last night????
#68
September 30, 2011 9:55 AM - Deleted
The guy who I wish was running is Paul Ryan. He's the most serious politician out there about truly reforming our health care system, both the private market as well as the government-run portion. He understands the fundamental point of both sides of this system: the consumer is out-of-the-loop, and hence there are no incentives for cost-reduction and innovation to effect cost-reduction.
#69
September 30, 2011 9:56 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
no, had the day off yesterday and unloaded tons of superfluous crap that i dont need anymore. felt good. i put tons of stuff out for free on the street yesterday. tons of clothes, books, random stuff, etc. almost everything was taken from people. park slopers are scrubby like that.

*rob*


*rob*

#70
September 30, 2011 9:56 AM - bxgrl
sorry dave, but its' wrong, underhanded and disgusting that the republicans would go so far to control the vote. Changing the rules/What happened to the voice of the people they like to bray about? What happened to democracy? Fixing the voting process so only your party gets elected sounds a hell of a lot like- dare I say it? Communism. Because that's exactly the kind of government a one party system gets you. Unless it's a tyranny.
#71
September 30, 2011 9:59 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
actually democrats are NOTORIOUS for manipulating the vote. i know in hudson county (nj) democrats often pay voters in local elections and they love coralling poor people from the projects to vote but only if they vote democrat.

*rob*

#72
September 30, 2011 9:59 AM - dibs
bxgrl, pull your head out of the sand. that's a game that both parties play. The Democrats have done it many times over the years and will againgiven the opportunity.

You are being naive
#73
September 30, 2011 9:59 AM - Deleted
Rob;

Yes, sometimes a "cleansing" does do wonders for the spirit.
#74
September 30, 2011 10:00 AM - dibs
See, even rob knows!!!!


#75
September 30, 2011 10:00 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i kinda associate democrats with welfare checks.

*rob*

#76
September 30, 2011 10:03 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
even my grandmother always voted democart. why? "free shit" lol

*rob*

Edited at September 30, 2011 10:03 AM
#77
September 30, 2011 10:05 AM - bxgrl
Sorry rob- you have a very biased viewpoint. especially since you tell us you grew up on welfare. It was there when your family needed it. And if the democrats were trying to get poor people out to vote, - and it is important to vote, like it or not- you should ask yourself why weren't the Republicans doing the same thing?

dibs- it's one thing to play around with district lines, another to try to affect national elections and the electoral college by palying games.
#78
September 30, 2011 10:06 AM - dibs
dibs- it's one thing to play around with district lines, another to try to affect national elections and the electoral college by palying games.

If you won't admit that the Democrats have played the same games, then drop the subject, OK. Both parties do it. Those are the facts.
#79
September 30, 2011 10:06 AM - bxgrl
rob- ask yourself where you would be if your grandmother didn't have the money? You really need a gratitude check sometimes. You cry with a loaf of bread in your mouth. You do the same thing about your job- you have it so much better than you think, and yet you complain.
#80
September 30, 2011 10:07 AM - bxgrl
dibs- they play different games and you know it.
#81
September 30, 2011 10:07 AM - More4Less
Rob, keep up the good work of taking days off. keep taking days off till you used it all up for the year
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:07 AM
#82
September 30, 2011 10:08 AM - dibs
bxgrl, they both play THAT game. You're being obtuse, or worse. Pull your head out of the sand. Admit when you are clearly wrong.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:08 AM
#83
September 30, 2011 10:09 AM - Donatella
Anwar al-Awlaki killed -- Another terrorist leader gone. And he was an important one.

Benson, you dated those kinds of women? This I can't imagine.

It is a stunning day here in FL. And another busy day. Have a good day!
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:09 AM
#84
September 30, 2011 10:09 AM - Arkady
The crux of the civil rights movement when I was in college was voter registration - and that's being made a problem again by GOP who want to disenfranchise the underclass. Literacy tests, driver's licenses, identity cards - it's all designed to minimize who can vote.
#85
September 30, 2011 10:09 AM - bxgrl
oh good- starting with the name-calling again dave. We're done then.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:09 AM
#86
September 30, 2011 10:10 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i did NOT grow up on welfare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i lived in the projects from 13 and up. we were not on welfare tho. however there was government cheese at times (literally) that shit made good grilled cheese sandwiches. also we didnt need to live in the projects. my grandparents just didnt want to pay market rate rent. they had connections.

*rob*

#87
September 30, 2011 10:10 AM - dibs
Different issues, Arkady. Redistricting is a game BOTH parties play.
#88
September 30, 2011 10:11 AM - dibs
Good, because you can never seem to admit when you are clearly wrong.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:11 AM
#89
September 30, 2011 10:12 AM - bxgrl
But i wasn't talking about redistricting, dibs and you know it.
#90
September 30, 2011 10:12 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Literacy tests, driver's licenses, identity cards - it's all designed to minimize who can vote.

:-/ yes, having to show an ID to vote is such a hassle.

*rob*

Edited at September 30, 2011 10:12 AM
#91
September 30, 2011 10:13 AM - dibs
Forget it, bxgrl.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:12 AM
#92
September 30, 2011 10:13 AM - Arkady
I agree that they're both guilty of redistricting but what's going on now is not just that, it's really revisiting what we fought in the 60s.
#93
September 30, 2011 10:13 AM - bxgrl
I know you love believing you are never wrong, dave. and you're wrong about that.
#94
September 30, 2011 10:14 AM - dibs
I'm wrong that Democrats don't do it???? You're out of your mind if you believe that.

Discussion over.
#95
September 30, 2011 10:15 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
are we really gonna go through this again? sigh.
#96
September 30, 2011 10:15 AM - Deleted
I think voter ID is great. I support it 100%. Everyone knows there is alot of voter fraud going on. Polls show that the significant majority of Americans support it too.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:15 AM
#97
September 30, 2011 10:16 AM - Deleted
if only we had that in 2000
#98
September 30, 2011 10:16 AM - dibs
No, we're not. It's over. When one party can't admit to what is part of history on Both sides, the discussion is over.
#99
September 30, 2011 10:19 AM - Arkady
If you truly believe that, it's one thing. If it's a cynical move to disenfranchise certain people, it's another.
September 30, 2011 10:19 AM - Deleted
Donatella;

When I went to Regis, that type of woman tended to come to our socials. Ergo: my social life was limited, shall we say. Yes, you can imagine the awkwardness of those dates.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:19 AM
September 30, 2011 10:19 AM - dibs
Here, Arkady. Let's discuss whether or not this cat is obese.... I know someone here will actually say no, despite the evidence to the contrary....
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:19 AM
September 30, 2011 10:20 AM - bxgrl
No, snaps, we're not. Because dave refuses to actually read what I said (and for that matter, what Arkady said)he keeps going on and on. So I'm done.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:21 AM
September 30, 2011 10:21 AM - dibs
We've changed the topic, bxgrl.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:21 AM
September 30, 2011 10:23 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
If it's a cynical move to disenfranchise certain people, it's another.

well then i'd like that my dog be able to vote too

8rob*

September 30, 2011 10:23 AM - bxgrl
That's not up to you, dave.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:23 AM
September 30, 2011 10:23 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
he's applying for credit cards today btw!!!

*rob*

September 30, 2011 10:25 AM - dibs
Already done.
September 30, 2011 10:25 AM - Arkady
I agree, dibs, definitely a Republican fat cat.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:25 AM
September 30, 2011 10:25 AM - DeLepp
snaps, I've got three echo and the bunnymen cds, do you still want them?
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:25 AM
September 30, 2011 10:25 AM - Deleted
Beautiful Fall day out there.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:25 AM
September 30, 2011 10:26 AM - Kensingtonian
Hey Dave,

David Archuleta is performing in Westbury NY in December and tickets are going on sale today. I trust that you're on ticketmaster.com now instead of silverdaddies?
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:26 AM
September 30, 2011 10:26 AM - CGar
Gimme a break, Arkady...
September 30, 2011 10:27 AM - dibs
benson, i had a wonderful Italian meal last night....a carpaccio of pork tonnato style, tagliatelle with veal ragu and marsala and a cheese plate that I supplemented with my own home grown figs after giving a bunch of them to the waiters
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:29 AM
September 30, 2011 10:27 AM - Donatella
Benson, the awkwardness of those dates I CAN imagine.
Ok, I really have to get my act together. So much stuff to do down here.

Feeling lazy though.
September 30, 2011 10:28 AM - Deleted
Dave;
Your post just made me hungry.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:28 AM
September 30, 2011 10:28 AM - Arkady
Gorgeous day here, too, Dona.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:28 AM
September 30, 2011 10:29 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
DeLepp, yes! And The Smiths...and Morrissey!
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:29 AM
September 30, 2011 10:30 AM - dibs
I wouldn't know, I'm inside the office, hard at work
September 30, 2011 10:31 AM - Deleted
DIBS;
If you want to be a true Italian, you've got to wrap up your fig tree during the winter. In fact, that fig tree should be better protected against the winter than most people.
September 30, 2011 10:32 AM - CGar
"hard at work"...

...while surfing SilverDaddies.


Edited at September 30, 2011 10:32 AM
September 30, 2011 10:34 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Speaking of food, I highly recommend going to lunch at John's Deli at 86th & Stillwell. Their roast beef sandwiches w/ gravy are the greatest things since sliced bread.
September 30, 2011 10:35 AM - DeLepp
snaps, got one of each. Greatest hits for Smiths. Most of mine were on lps/tapes. Will cart/pass them along through our plusa operative.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:35 AM
September 30, 2011 10:35 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Cargar, I like Opus with the towel and shower cap better. This one looks like he's trying to scooch his bum across the carpet to clean his tootie hole - like the dog in the commercial!
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:35 AM
September 30, 2011 10:36 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Thanks, Delepp! Yay for whiny 80's music :-)
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:36 AM
September 30, 2011 10:37 AM - dibs
benson...I know all about fig trees. Mine survives fine this far north...it's all about the placement wrt the wind. If you're saying the tree should be wrapped (in burlap) for aesthetic reasons and to "look" more Italian, then I agree.

I will also be painting my deck stair newel posts and balustrades red white and green
September 30, 2011 10:37 AM - MontroseMorris
Well, here's something to do tomorrow on a nice fall day.

The 5th Annual Crown Heights North House tour is tomorrow, Oct 1st, from 11-4. Tickets are $20 in advance, (get em today, on line at www.crownheightsnorth.org) or $25 at the door tomorrow. Tour begins at St. Gregory the Great Catholic Church, on the corner of St. Johns and Brooklyn Avenue. It's self guided, and we've got 9 houses this year, as well as other goodies. Closest subway: 3 train to Kingston Avenue.

Hope to see some of you there.
September 30, 2011 10:37 AM - petebklyn
global warming don't need to protect figs anymore. Lemon trees, yes.

I wish sun would come out up here. would be nice day to pretend to do yard work. damn squirrels making a mess of potted plants on front porch.
lesbi trying to set trap to get the effing groundhog. damned hard living around nature. I want to learn how to use gun to get rid of the geese on the lake.
September 30, 2011 10:38 AM - CGar
I'm bouncing on a trampoline today, Snappy.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:38 AM
September 30, 2011 10:38 AM - DeLepp
snaps, shall I add ultravox and joy division to the pile. If so please put me down as your beneficiary on the ins policy.
September 30, 2011 10:39 AM - dibs
"I want to learn how to use gun to get rid of the geese on the lake."

No gas chambers up there??????
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:39 AM
September 30, 2011 10:39 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Looks more like tootie hole scrubbing!
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:39 AM
September 30, 2011 10:40 AM - Deleted
John's Deli - in the old neighborhood!

6 years: next time you're around there, there's a new pizzeria that, in the opinion of myself and my poker group, is better than Spumoni Gardens. It's on the corner of Stillwell and around 79th Street. It's called Pete's Pizza. Their Sicilian squares are realy good. The owner is the son of the proprietor of Ciccio's Pizza on Ave U, another neighborhood institution.
September 30, 2011 10:40 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Awesome Delepp!
September 30, 2011 10:40 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
ok...back to the grind. later folks!
September 30, 2011 10:40 AM - Arkady
pete - Put mothballs in the pots.
September 30, 2011 10:41 AM - dibs
"hard at work"...

...while surfing SilverDaddies.


Multitasking.

Shouldn't you be doing something Jewish today, CGar?????????
September 30, 2011 10:43 AM - CGar
"Shouldn't you be doing something Jewish today, CGar?????????"

I'm preparing for the Sabbath at Montero's, dave.
September 30, 2011 10:44 AM - Legion
The Far Left's idea of undermining voter registration:

Requiring one to prove who they are before voting.


September 30, 2011 10:44 AM - CGar
Shouldn't you be blowing the chauffeur today, dave???
September 30, 2011 10:45 AM - petebklyn
rewrite - Shouldn't you be doing someone jewish today?

I put some black pepper. Fresh outa mothballs. Used them all up in some recipe last week.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:45 AM
September 30, 2011 10:45 AM - sixyearsandcounting
"better than Spumoni Gardens" - Benson, that's HERESY! Unless you're talking about DiFara's, of course :)
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:45 AM
September 30, 2011 10:46 AM - Legion
delepp,
I'm still in shock that you were at that concert in 84 at Iriving Plaza.
It's truly a small world.

Edited at September 30, 2011 10:46 AM
September 30, 2011 10:46 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
why on earth do open house tours COST SO MUCH!? 25 dollars!? jesus. that's moonface pricing.

*rob*

September 30, 2011 10:47 AM - Deleted
everytime dibs posts that picture of that woman i'm gonna post this:


Edited at September 30, 2011 10:47 AM
September 30, 2011 10:48 AM - Legion
speaking of voter disenfranchisement;
no one has figured out yet, how Al Franken is the Senator from Minnesota when he won by about 200 votes and
there are at least 300 that have been proven to be fraudulent.

It's like everyone just decided to let it go.
Amazing.
September 30, 2011 10:49 AM - Legion
...it really is tit for tat sometimes.
It happens on both sides I'm sure, but this is one blatant example.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:49 AM
September 30, 2011 10:50 AM - petebklyn
I think danger in future is not voter fraud but ability to hack computerized voting machines.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:50 AM
September 30, 2011 10:52 AM - Legion
speaking of which,
there are WAYYYY too many New York transplants in government across the country.
From that loon Senator Sanders in Vermont to Boxer in CA. to Franken in Minnesota.

There should be an amendment against carpetbaggers from Brooklyn exported to other states,
maybe that's our form of payback for *rob's* "moonfaces" from the midwest however. :o(


September 30, 2011 10:52 AM - dibs
KA CHING!!!!!! 2 offers on the house!!!!!!
September 30, 2011 10:53 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Congrats, Dave. Start the bidding wars!
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:53 AM
September 30, 2011 10:54 AM - Legion
wow,
that was fast dibs.
congrats and good luck.
September 30, 2011 10:56 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
YAY DAVE! Good offers?
September 30, 2011 10:57 AM - CGar
"KA CHING!!!!!! 2 offers on the house!!!!!!"

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:57 AM
September 30, 2011 10:57 AM - Deleted
congrats dave!! hopefully they aren't lowball m4l style offers
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:57 AM
September 30, 2011 10:57 AM - dibs
Now I'll need to find an apartment.
September 30, 2011 10:58 AM - petebklyn
I think you owe a thank you to our democrat president, governor and senators for keeping your home values up.
September 30, 2011 10:58 AM - dibs
Yes, good offers...one at full ask but it's a rather bizarre overseas buyer. The other one at a number below that which i would accept, straightforward NY based buyer.

Problem has been , of course, THE JEWISH LAWYERS ARE UNAVAILABLE!!!!!!!!
September 30, 2011 10:58 AM - petebklyn
I wish I had nerve to sell.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:58 AM
September 30, 2011 10:59 AM - bxgrl
Legion- you left out quite a few facts about the Franken election vote recount.
September 30, 2011 11:01 AM - sixyearsandcounting
"Now I'll need to find an apartment."

PLUSAs are moving to Ditmas Park these days, I hear.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:01 AM
September 30, 2011 11:02 AM - CGar
"a rather bizarre overseas buyer"

I'd think that would be your specialty.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:02 AM
September 30, 2011 11:02 AM - dibs
"PLUSAs are moving to Ditmas Park these days, I hear."

It would be a trade down to move from Bed Stuy to a white trash ghetto!!!!!
September 30, 2011 11:03 AM - cobblehiller
Has anyone here ever bought a piece of property using only the equity (or that equity plus a smallish amount of cash) from another piece of property which has a small equity loan out on it? Is this even doable?
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:03 AM
September 30, 2011 11:03 AM - DeLepp
legion, indeed but concerts were pretty cheap back then.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:03 AM
September 30, 2011 11:04 AM - dibs
Cobble, not really understanding your question. Loans and mortgages used to be transferrable but aren't today.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:04 AM
September 30, 2011 11:05 AM - DeLepp
congrats dave, not surprised as the house is a honey.
September 30, 2011 11:05 AM - Legion
bxgrl,

The facts are that Franken won that senate seat by 312 votes.
The facts show that at least 341 convicted felons voted illegally in that race.

The numbers do not lie, but I understand that's the unfortunate nature of the beast,
each side trying to push the envelope of what's allowed.
That was a win for the Dems and voter fraud should be something that every American should be working to minimize.
September 30, 2011 11:05 AM - dibs
Already having sellers remorse. DeLepp. Don't want to move into a one bedroom apt with no ensuite master bath!!!!!
September 30, 2011 11:06 AM - petebklyn
"you left out quite a few facts" - please, bxgrl - they never let facts get in the way of their message.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:06 AM
September 30, 2011 11:06 AM - sixyearsandcounting
"It would be a trade down to move from Bed Stuy to a white trash ghetto!!!!!"

Maybe you'll find a place to your liking around the Q train station colloquially known as Newcrack Plaza.
September 30, 2011 11:07 AM - DeLepp
legion, remember when the balcony used to shake/dip as much as the manhattan bridge when the trains cross.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:07 AM
September 30, 2011 11:07 AM - MontroseMorris
Rob, it costs a lot to put on a house tour. We usually just break even, and anything left over goes to our non-profit organization for our community projects. It's a good cause, and certainly not a "moonface" price. Brooklyn Heights charges $50. I've never been.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:07 AM
September 30, 2011 11:08 AM - bxgrl
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/frank-and-louie-the-cat-with-two-faces-1317304898-slideshow/
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:17 AM
September 30, 2011 11:08 AM - cobblehiller
Ok, lemme try it another way. There is a piece of property (X) owned by person A. That piece of property has significant value. It only has a small equity loan out on it. Could person A use remaining significant equity to buy an additional piece of property using the equity (plus a smallish amount of cash) from X to buy Y piece of property. (Not selling X.)
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:09 AM
September 30, 2011 11:08 AM - petebklyn
I don't understand cobble question either. You mean take an equity loan out on current property to pay for another one?
September 30, 2011 11:08 AM - Legion
pete
Facts are posted for all to see.

You are entitled to your own opinion
but not your own facts, I'm afraid. :o(
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:08 AM
September 30, 2011 11:08 AM - dibs
The $20 keeps out the riff raff too.
September 30, 2011 11:10 AM - Arkady
Congrats, dibs, I guess. We don't want you leaving!
Legion - if you insist on harping on that topic, let me refer you to the dodgy Supreme Court decision that seated a certain president. Somehow, a senator from MN doesn't seem as serious an issue & it was adjudicated in a court of law.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:10 AM
September 30, 2011 11:10 AM - DeLepp
dave, I would imagine you're going to have tough time leaving, hard to leave behind that garden.
September 30, 2011 11:11 AM - Deleted
"from X to buy Y piece of property. (Not selling X.)"

yeah - if they can carry the two loans
September 30, 2011 11:11 AM - minard lafever
The Brooklyn Heights tour is $50, always sold out, the house tour brunch is $300. Also always sold out.
It's called "giving a little back". Something that is more popular with some than with others.

Edited at September 30, 2011 11:11 AM
September 30, 2011 11:12 AM - petebklyn
here comes the sun! and I say it is all right.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:12 AM
September 30, 2011 11:12 AM - dibs
Certainlly, Cobble, if they can get the bigger equity loan. I did it to buy my Carversville place and then did it again after that to buy my garage/workshop.

It's risky if you think you will keep the equity loans a long time because the rates are not capped and can go up monthly
September 30, 2011 11:12 AM - jessibaby
Cobble how do u mean take out equity? Another home equity loan/mortgage?
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:12 AM
September 30, 2011 11:13 AM - Arkady
bxgrl - That photo is very disturbing to me. Most sites that had it put it behind a link so you could opt not to see it. I'd appreciate it if you'd take it down.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:12 AM
September 30, 2011 11:14 AM - petebklyn
or simpler just get a new mortgage on 1st property covering what they owe on 1st plus what they need to pay in cash for 2nd.
September 30, 2011 11:14 AM - More4Less
Cobble, home equity loans are tricky but doable. the bank would probably want give loan whereby they give enough to pay off that small equity loan so that they're the only lien on the property X. I suspect banks give 70 to 75% of that equity in property X in the form of a new loan
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:14 AM
September 30, 2011 11:14 AM - Legion
delepp,
Concerts can be very scary places to be sometimes.
I once slipped on the floor in the crowd at a Foo Fighters concert at Roseland Ballroom,
I think I'd still be part of the floor there if some guy hadn't pulled me up.

Edited at September 30, 2011 11:14 AM
September 30, 2011 11:15 AM - dibs
Might be easier to close the one equity loan and take out a larger one. Depends upon the banks now. Not as easy as it has been in the past. They will knock you on the appraised value oftentimes but if it's high enough then it's high enough.

Like I said, the risk is that rates rise and so will the home equity rate,,,,FAST and with no ceiling
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:15 AM
September 30, 2011 11:15 AM - minard lafever
cobble that sounds like the tried and true formula that got so many people in trouble.
September 30, 2011 11:16 AM - More4Less
DIBS, congrats man. take the buyer with the ability and willingness to put down more than 20% in the likelihood freaking bank appraisal gives you a low value and buyer has to increase the deposit (vs you lowering price)
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:16 AM
September 30, 2011 11:16 AM - dibs
Yes, better to get a fixed rate new mortgage on the 1st place...especially at these rates. Or a mortgage on the second one.


Rates have never been this low in the past 3-4 decades. Not worth risking variable rate HELOC
September 30, 2011 11:16 AM - bxgrl
Legion- you not only oversimplified, you left out the fact that there were 2 recounts, the first of which put Franken ahead- by only 225 votes. His opponent went to court and in the next recount it was found that 317 absentee votes had been incorrectly thrown out, still making Franken the winner. You may not like the idea of convicted felons voting but it is the law.The recount committee, btw for the first recount, consisted of 4 judges and the secretary of state, a Republican.
September 30, 2011 11:18 AM - cobblehiller
Ok, What if the owner (person A) of property X were to try to be a guarantor and get small equity loan for property Y and person B were to assume mortgage for property Y (not sure if that's possible) and be responsible for small equity loan from person A, as well. Would that even be possible?
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:18 AM
September 30, 2011 11:19 AM - bxgrl
Done Arkady. Sorry it disturbed you- I had seen it on so many news sites, not behind a link, that it didn't bother me. I was more enthralled with his happy story, all things considered.
September 30, 2011 11:19 AM - CGar
Ewww! Was that a real picture? I thought it was Photoshopped.
September 30, 2011 11:20 AM - cobblehiller
There is NO mortgage on first property. Only a small equity/rehab loan refi'd at new low rate.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:20 AM
September 30, 2011 11:21 AM - cobblehiller
Minard, I'm probably not explaining this well. Be patient, please. Despite reading about this stuff ALL the time, I retain very little.
September 30, 2011 11:21 AM - Kensingtonian
Sixyears, I am not a big fan of roast beef sandwiches BUT John's Deli makes hands down the best ones. That's the only place I love for those. Meat practically melts in your mouth (nh).

And Benson, no square slices in brooklyn is better than L&B. And I've had slices in Ciccio's and other old school brooklyn joints.

I am not a fan of DiFara. It's just OK for me.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:21 AM
September 30, 2011 11:22 AM - dibs
Personally held mortgages/loans are certainly valid. Just make sure you have a good lawyer.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:22 AM
September 30, 2011 11:23 AM - jessibaby
So you've got a loan for the downpayment in addition to a loan for the borrowing? Sounds like a bad idea, like minard said. Plus, bank won't let you just assume the mortgage, well, maybe if the rich person was guarantor. But there's gonna be a due on transfer clause in the mortgage.
September 30, 2011 11:24 AM - cobblehiller
"But there's gonna be a due on transfer clause in the mortgage."

What's that?
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:24 AM
September 30, 2011 11:25 AM - jessibaby
Wait, people can get home equity loans that aren't secured by a mortgage, just the borrowers promise to pay?
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:25 AM
September 30, 2011 11:25 AM - cobblehiller
"Personally held mortgages/loans are certainly valid. Just make sure you have a good lawyer."

Hmmm, that's an interesting concept. Yes, would most certainly have a very good lawyer.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:25 AM
September 30, 2011 11:27 AM - jessibaby
Due on transfer means the entire loan amount becomes due if you transfer without consent of the lender. They underwrite the loan based on the specific borrower.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:27 AM
September 30, 2011 11:27 AM - boerumresident
Legion -- The issue of convicted felons voting is not voter fraud, that's illegal voting. And BTW, the felons who did voted may have well voted against Franken, as admitted in court by one of them who was prosecuted:
http://www.startribune.com/politics/37219649.html

And if you are referring to the Minnesota majority report, many of the "illegal votes" it identified wer rejected by state prosecutors, who were already moving against felons who illegally voted (or in some cases, only registered to vote) based on referrals from the county election officials:

"We received about 480 names from Minnesota Majority," Ramsey County's lead prosecutor Phil Carruthers told KARE Wednesday, "About 270 were clearly inaccurate and were rejected right from the get-go."

He said a quick review revealed the names and birthdates didn't match, or that the felons in question were no longer barred from voting.

"They were ruled out usually because they had the wrong identity of a person," Carruthers explained, "Or because the person no longer was on probation, and thus their civil rights had been restored."

There are 30 felons on the group's list that have been charged with election violations in Ramsey County. But prosecutors had already received those names from the county elections office and the Secretary of State's office, according to Carruthers.

"We've charged about 30 cases so far," he said, "About half of them were people who were felons who just registered but did not actually vote. Election workers flagged those names before they could vote, but it's still a felony for a felon to register."


Edited at September 30, 2011 11:27 AM
September 30, 2011 11:27 AM - petebklyn
"Buffett Rule Backed by 63% of Investors"
-- Dibs, how does it feel to be member of minority group? Perhaps you can apply for some afFIRMative 'action'.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:27 AM
September 30, 2011 11:27 AM - Deleted
Kens and 6;

I know it is heresy to say that there is a better square out there than Spumoni, but give Pete's a try!

Congrats Dave.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:27 AM
September 30, 2011 11:29 AM - jessibaby
So is this the scenario? Rich guy takes out bank loan against his house, lends proceeds to your friend and then your friend uses proceeds as downpayment on another house?
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:29 AM
September 30, 2011 11:29 AM - Legion
bxgrl,
Here the Minnesota law on felons voting:


"Minnesota statute says that a convicted felon loses his or her civil rights, including the

right to vote. It also stipulates that a felon's civil rights are automatically reinstated

when he or she completes their sentence. Completing a sentence means that they have

completed all parole, probation, and any other terms of their sentence. This is also

known as being "off-paper". Once a person completes their sentence they have the

right to vote. See Minnesota statute 609.165 for more details.

· An ex-felon can register to vote at anytime, including using same day registration.

When they go to the polls, there may or may not be the word "challenged" next to their

name on the voter rolls. If they are challenged, they should speak to the head elections

judge. The judge may ask some questions, and then will have the person take a brief

oath assuring the judge that they have the right to vote"


I have yet to read that the felons that voted were allowed to do so within their rights.
Have you?
September 30, 2011 11:30 AM - cobblehiller
So wait, are you saying that if high value property X, is essentially paid off/ has only small (rehab/equity/dunno) loan against it, that owners could buy 2nd piece of lesser value property (possibly outright)? And then give mortgage to person B to pay them directly?
September 30, 2011 11:31 AM - Legion
Arkady,
As far as Bush in Fla.,
there were multiple recounts which he won.
They finally gave it to the supreme court after three recounts showed he won all three.
Even the NYTimes gave him that, albeit on page 13 in the fine print.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:31 AM
September 30, 2011 11:32 AM - cobblehiller
jessi, Essentially, yes. Loan from person A plus person B would have some cash for DP on this new property. I'm not sure how this all would work or what numbers are involved at this point. I'm just trying to understand if it's even possible.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:33 AM
September 30, 2011 11:33 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
The Brooklyn Heights tour is $50, always sold out, the house tour brunch is $300. Also always sold out.
It's called "giving a little back". Something that is more popular with some than with others.

300 dollars to brunch with a bunch of rich old musty-dwelling farts? no thanks

*rob*

Edited at September 30, 2011 11:33 AM
September 30, 2011 11:34 AM - bxgrl
Legion- then read BR's explanation for a better and more accurate description of what went down. I do remember somewhere where men in prison were allowed to vote because it is supposed to be constitutional. But I don't recall all the details.

Cgar- not photoshopped- he's a real cat. They call him a miracle cat- he's 12 years old.
September 30, 2011 11:34 AM - jessibaby
Yeah, that would work. Rich guy takes out mortgage against his house, uses proceeds to buy new house in full and then person B gives rich guy a mortgage on the house. Person b doesn't pay loan, rich guy gets new house back. This is all assuming banks still let rich guy borrow against his house like this. And of course, rich guy has to pay back his bank so person B better pay on time or rich guy stands to lose big house.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:34 AM
September 30, 2011 11:35 AM - jessibaby
Gotta step out for a bit, cobble.
September 30, 2011 11:36 AM - bxgrl
Kens- Dave's Sandwiches on Nostrand Ave, makes incredible meat sandwiches too.
September 30, 2011 11:39 AM - petebklyn
some call it miracle I call it two-faced.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:39 AM
September 30, 2011 11:40 AM - CGar
I wanted to go to Sting's 60th Birthday concert benefit for the Robin Hood Foundation at the Beacon tomorrow, but the cheapest tix - hanging from the chandeliers - are $2500 apiece. Great line-up though.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:40 AM
September 30, 2011 11:40 AM - cobblehiller
jessi, Say the first property X is valued at 4 or more times the value of property Y, not anywhere nearly equal to full equity of property X. Person B just lacks the entire DP, but clearly has ability to pay monthly, maybe even pay down faster than mortgage is set. Does it make sense? Or is this just a headache in the making for everyone involved?
September 30, 2011 11:41 AM - bxgrl
Legion- The problem with Bush's election was the fact that Gore won the popular vote and lost the electoral college vote. That, plus the Republican- led adminstration in FLA, including the machinations of the infamous Katharine Harris, make it a far different animal than the election of Al Franken.
September 30, 2011 11:41 AM - Legion
boerumresident,
what is the timing of those findings,
because the latest from the a Minnesota watchdog group is
that over 300 felons voted outside of their right to do so.
And the votes were counted.
They state that their efforts to have this investigated have been
"stonewalled" by the feds.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:41 AM
September 30, 2011 11:42 AM - bxgrl
Pete- cats with these mutations are called Janus cats, actually. Most of them don't survive past 4 days.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:42 AM
September 30, 2011 11:45 AM - More4Less
DIBS, either of the 2 offers interested in your furniture, paintings etc?
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:45 AM
September 30, 2011 11:45 AM - CGar
"Dave's ... makes incredible meat sandwiches"

So I've heard.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:45 AM
September 30, 2011 11:45 AM - Legion
BR,
here's one report on the voter fraud,
the investigations you allude to seem entirely inadaquate.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Minnesota-felon-election-fraud/2010/07/01/id/363617
September 30, 2011 11:47 AM - dibs
Don't think so, m4l.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:47 AM
September 30, 2011 11:47 AM - bxgrl
I had a feeling it was a mistake to phrase it that way, cgar.
September 30, 2011 11:48 AM - More4Less
DIBS, too bad. that'll be a ton of packing, moving, storing, etc
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:48 AM
September 30, 2011 11:48 AM - Legion
bxgrl,
no matter how much you'd like to spin the results in Florida,
Bush won florida,
At no time was Gore ahead in Florida,
except, of course when the liberal media had it's say. Fortunately, the media does not determine the vote.

Gore won the popular vote, that is true,
but the fact remains that Bush won 34 states that year.
And we have a constitution and a union that states that states have a weighted say in the matter.

If we go by population alone, NY,CA and Illinois would determine all Presidential winners,
and that would tend to piss off those states without a voice.
September 30, 2011 11:49 AM - dibs
Tell me about it, m4l. I need to have some things shipped to PA and some to MA as well.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:49 AM
September 30, 2011 11:50 AM - sixyearsandcounting
bxgrl, the irony of all this is that the Republican-proposed reforms in PA (and Colorado in 2008) actually weaken the electoral college by allocating their states' votes more or less by popular vote rather than the traditional winner-take-all fashion. Would you rather have the electoral college, or something closer to the popular vote? Personally I'd prefer the former although there are occasional hiccups like 2000. Can you imagine Florida 2000 or Minnesota 2008 on a nationwide scale? Total catastrophe!
September 30, 2011 11:50 AM - Arkady
You thinking of having a tag sale, dibs?
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:50 AM
September 30, 2011 11:51 AM - petebklyn
who knew minnesota had so many criminals. And such civic minded criminals to boot.
September 30, 2011 11:56 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Legion, Bush won Florida if you count certain types of votes (overvotes, undervotes, etc.) by certain standards (hanging/dimpled/etc. chads), and Gore won if you count in other ways (and I don't mean New Math!). There was a systemic failure which makes it impossible to know the "true" winner of Florida in 2000.

That said, it is clear that Gore's lawsuits in the four counties NEVER would have given him a victory even if he had won in the Supreme Court. His strategy was totally flawed, and the Supreme Court vote was 7-2 in favor of a uniform statewide system of counting votes (on the basis of equal protection). I agree with the majority in this part of the case. They also voted 5-4 that there was not enough time to count all the votes on the basis of their 7-2 ruling. I totally disagree with that. They could have come up with a reasonable standard and the counting could have resumed according to that standard. There was a over a month between the decision and the Inauguration.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:55 AM
September 30, 2011 11:58 AM - sixyearsandcounting
"who knew minnesota had so many criminals." they're very nice criminals who will make you "hot dish" for lunch in the lutheran church basement
September 30, 2011 11:58 AM - minard lafever
rob, it's too bad you feel that way. So many people ask about you at the Brooklyn Heights house tour brunch. "Where is that darling Rob?" they say.

September 30, 2011 11:59 AM - Legion
sixyears,
Again, Bush won Florida in every re-count.
I know the left has a popular mythology that this vote was stolen in Florida,
but this is mainly base on the fact that they couldn't get away with tying the endless re-counts down in courts until they somehow "won".

As if to emphasize this point further,
Florida again voted for Bush in 2006.
Edited at September 30, 2011 11:59 AM
September 30, 2011 12:01 PM - Legion
...on Pennsylvania and Colo.
I would leave the voting system as is also sixyears,
winner takes all.
September 30, 2011 12:02 PM - Deleted
Minard;

There is a page 1 article in today's WSJ about RIM's dilemma when they were developing their tablet PC. Succinctly stated, they couldn't figure out: "Who is the device for"?

I agree with your observations about tablets. From what I've seen so far, it only makes sense for sales people. Handy for making presentations, and lightweight (compared to a laptop).
September 30, 2011 12:03 PM - Legion
err,
2004.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:03 PM
September 30, 2011 12:03 PM - bxgrl
I honestly don't know, 6 years, which would be better. Although the electoral college limited the issue to one state, the idea that one state can blow the popular vote doesn't seem right to me either. Basically Congress was set up in 2 houses to address the problem of representation. I think our bigger problem down the road will be the computerized voting machines.
September 30, 2011 12:03 PM - CGar
Minard, it's funny you say that. I'm friendly with a lot of brokers in the Heights. We go out for drinks periodically - at Montero's natch - and the 2 PLUSAs most often asked about are "that damn daveinbedstuy" and *rob*!
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:03 PM
September 30, 2011 12:04 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Legion - in every official recount, yes, Bush won. Various organizations counted the votes after the election and I'm basing my conclusion on what they said. If you count the "undervotes" Bush won by an even larger margin, but if you count "overvotes" Gore comes out ahead.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:04 PM
September 30, 2011 12:05 PM - bxgrl
benson- I'm also concerned after reading about Windows 8. It seems like all the OSes are gearing toward mobile devices. But for someone like me, that's impractical. I would think for most businesses as well?
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:05 PM
September 30, 2011 12:06 PM - Legion
legion,
I'm going by every official recount.
All three of them.
Followed by the Supreme Court ruling.
Followed by the 2004 vote again. ;o)
September 30, 2011 12:09 PM - Deleted
With one exception ( a sales person) I have not seen tablet-type PC's used in my lines of business.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:09 PM
September 30, 2011 12:09 PM - petebklyn
moses didn't care for those tablets either.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:09 PM
September 30, 2011 12:09 PM - boerumresident
Legion -- the article i was quoting for was actually in connection with a story dated July 15 (or 2 weeks after the one you link to...) And it was the prosecutors who were saying that the lists provided were significantly over-broad for the reasons it stated.

I don't really know whether the prosecutor's investigations were "inadequate", just that they were conducted and led to a couple of dozen convictions of the felons ( and it seems that about half of them were not for illegally voting, just for registering to vote prior to being "off-paper", i.e., completely done with probabtion, parole etc.

It's hard to say that this would have tipped the election. Just as likely that mangled ballots could have tipped the election.

And more importantly, this was not "fraud" in the sense that checking for identification would have stopped them from voting. This was faulty registration that permitted people whose names were on corrections databases from registering in the first place. The type of voter fraud that would prevent would involve people showing up to claim they are someone who they are not -- which is amazingly undocumented. The more traditional type of electoral fruad is the ballot stuffing or tinkering by election board workers (i.e., losing a box of ballots, etc.) which again voter ID would do little to prevent.


Edited at September 30, 2011 12:09 PM
September 30, 2011 12:11 PM - CGar
Lol, Pedro.
September 30, 2011 12:14 PM - More4Less
Does any of the Repub's regret that Bush won that election?
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:14 PM
September 30, 2011 12:14 PM - Arkady
I.V. works faster than tablets.
September 30, 2011 12:16 PM - dibs
I.V. works faster than tablets.


Suppositories???????
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:16 PM
September 30, 2011 12:18 PM - Deleted
I smell a punfest coming!!

Exit==============================================================================>
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:18 PM
September 30, 2011 12:23 PM - boerumresident
And to kill this thread off anyway, the U of Chicago recount of the Florida ballots had the strangest result imaginable (to me at least): the remedy that Gore's team sought (i.e. recounts limtied to certain counties) would not have given him the victory. This limited recount was part of the basis of the US Supreme Court's novel decision that it would violate the equal protection clause to count this subset of votes in a different manner than others.

But a recount that would have resulted in a Gore victory of that state was one much closer to that the US Supreme Court said was constitutionally required: applying the same standard to all the disputed ballots statewide. (Even that study was not complete, because two of the disputed counties' ballots reported could not be analyzed in the same manner.) Of course, even though th US Supreme Ct held this, the5-4 majority also held there wasn't enough time to do such a recount, so too bad so sad for VP Gore.

The real problem was that the local democrats didn't realized beforehand how crappy the butterfly ballots in some of the counties would be.
September 30, 2011 12:23 PM - CGar
We have been Ex-tremely Lax on the puns since Biff is away.
September 30, 2011 12:27 PM - dibs
Bromo, CGar!!!! What a fantastic pun!!!! NOT
September 30, 2011 12:28 PM - rf
Legion, are you absolutely positive that all those felons voted for Franken? If so, how do you know?
September 30, 2011 12:28 PM - Legion
boerumresident,
I'll go back to the story at the time,
the watchdog group unequivocally stated that the investigations into the voter fraud matter were being stonewalled
by the DA's in certain counties.
At this time, as I said earlier, I believe the state has just let the matter rest to avoid any more problems.
To deny that fraud happens and that politicians have been elected under dubious circumstances is to deny reality.
And again, I'm sure the Republicans have benefitted from it at times as well.

We should all be working to limit it as much as possible.
My work in politics here in the city however also reveals cases of very dubious business.
I can get into that too.
September 30, 2011 12:28 PM - Deleted
As of 12.30, there are a grand total of 3 posts on that "other" website.

I wonder how long he's going to continue to insist that the number of posts has no correlation with page-views.
September 30, 2011 12:30 PM - Legion
here's another link to the story at the time;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704518904575365063352229680.html
September 30, 2011 12:33 PM - Legion
"Legion, are you absolutely positive that all those felons voted for Franken? If so, how do you know?"

Apparently,
we'll never know rf.
I believe the state has let the controversy die out as is,
in order to keep the peace.

How about supporting measures across the nation that don't allow convicted
felons to vote?
I think it's a fair trade that if someone is convicted of an act against society,
they should forfeit a vote for the future of that society no?
Do you agree?

.
September 30, 2011 12:37 PM - Legion
boerumresident,
Not to beat a dead horse
but again,
Bush won on all three recounts.
We can continue to speculate on chads, felons, dead voters, etc., etc,
he won every recount.

If he didn't, I'd be inclined to say,hey, let them really look into every single county and vote in the state.
September 30, 2011 12:40 PM - CGar
Legion, Frau Goebbels is calling you. :-)
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:40 PM
September 30, 2011 12:42 PM - Deleted
Radiohead is playing at the Occupy Wall Street thing today
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:42 PM
September 30, 2011 12:43 PM - minard lafever
One thing is for certain. AL Gore is a happier and (much) richer man today because he lost the 2000 election. Who knew he would be so much more successful in the private sector than in politics?
September 30, 2011 12:43 PM - Legion
CGar,
you don't fool me,
I know about your affection for Katherine Harris,
the FL. secretary of state at the time.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:43 PM
September 30, 2011 12:45 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Seriously DH?
September 30, 2011 12:46 PM - More4Less
DH, DIBS posted warren pics while you weren't here and I had to step in to cover you via deleting his posts. you need to waste more time here if you intend to counter him promptly with Moore pics
September 30, 2011 12:47 PM - dibs
Radiohead is playing at the Occupy Wall Street thing today


Perfect...there are a lot of Creeps and Weirdos there!!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzjUjNPYzLg
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:49 PM
September 30, 2011 12:47 PM - petebklyn
I don't see the convicted felons as much of a problem as the unconvicted ones running wall street.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:47 PM
September 30, 2011 12:47 PM - Legion
"Radiohead is playing at the Occupy Wall Street thing today"

I bet they'll be playing selections from:
Hail to the Thief

.
September 30, 2011 12:47 PM - DeLepp
true minard, though had he been pres would things be all that different today? economy was already sputtering in 2000, greenspan would have been still around pimping cheap credit, 9-11 would have happened and the make up of congress/senate = same. I'm sure I'll regret this.
September 30, 2011 12:48 PM - Deleted
Minard;

I dunno. Al didn't sound too happy recently at the Aspen Institute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMr7Lyv1LTI&feature=related
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:48 PM
September 30, 2011 12:50 PM - More4Less
strange to see Al (politician) divorce his wife without "another" women in the mix
September 30, 2011 12:50 PM - boerumresident
RE Radiohead -- press conference at one to announce show at 4 pm. Not sure of location...
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:50 PM
September 30, 2011 12:51 PM - More4Less
Friendly's considering Ch 11. of top of my head, most of these chains don't survive post a bankruptcy
September 30, 2011 12:51 PM - minard lafever
I wonder what Gore would have done after 9-11?
Would he have hesitated to strike back and would we have therefore been hit again? Or would he have stopped the Taliban by lecturing them on their carbon footprints?
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:51 PM
September 30, 2011 12:52 PM - More4Less
Joe Torre might be a candidate (albeit not probable) for the Red Sox mgr gig - Francona OUT
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:52 PM
September 30, 2011 12:53 PM - bxgrl
The watchdog group you speak of , Minnesota Majority, is a partisan group of Republican conservatives so it's safe to say they have an agenda. All partisan groups have agendas- Dem or Rep. However there is another non-partisan Minnesota watchdog group that issued a report on the one you aer referring to: http://www.minnpost.com/stories/2010/11/22/23595/governors_recount_true_believer_leads_effective_wonky_watchdog_group_that_observes_and_audits

It makes for very interesting reading re the watchdog group's own methods and conclusions.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:53 PM
September 30, 2011 12:54 PM - DeLepp
ha minard, lecturing I presume.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:54 PM
September 30, 2011 12:54 PM - dibs
"I don't see the convicted felons as much of a problem as the unconvicted ones running wall street."

The guy who's managing your pension money is watching!!!!
September 30, 2011 12:55 PM - dibs
Gore probably weighs as much as Christie does now.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:57 PM
September 30, 2011 12:55 PM - Legion
"I wonder what Gore would have done after 9-11?"

ha minard,
I think Gore would have grown his beard longer and
used it on the Taliban like this Skittles commercial:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ZUJNgwlfY
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:55 PM
September 30, 2011 12:55 PM - DeLepp
m4l, been a delight watching red sox collapse. Better than hearing about hapless mets.
September 30, 2011 12:55 PM - boerumresident
Minard -- as Al Gore was the one in the Clinton WH advocating CIA assassination in the mid-1990's, I think the question is would he have done as half-ass a job at Tora Bora.

The creepier question is would he (or his Atty General) have kept the FBI prioritized on counter terrorism, or let the issues crash to the back burner like they did under Ashcroft? And would that have made a difference?
September 30, 2011 12:56 PM - CGar
"I know about your affection for Katherine Harris"

You don't seriously think you had to explain to me who she is, do you Legion? She's on every Democrat's Top 10 Most Wanted List.

I did love Laura Dern's portrayal of her in Recount.
September 30, 2011 12:56 PM - Deleted
Al Gore should marry Elizabeth Warren. Think about the rants they could have over dinner!
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:56 PM
September 30, 2011 12:58 PM - CGar
A new home furnishings store has opened on Atlantic & Henry, where Nova Zembla was. Time was I would've sent a tip and a photo.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:58 PM
September 30, 2011 12:59 PM - bxgrl
I agree with you, DeLepp. I doubt it would be much different today. what I do wonder though, is what if McCain had won the primary in 2000? I don't know that the economy would be any different but I think a lot of other things would.
Edited at September 30, 2011 12:59 PM
September 30, 2011 12:59 PM - Legion
bxgrl,
Sure, I'll read the article you are linking to in due time.
Somehow I don't believe I'll be convinced however,
unless it goes into how every county reviewed its voter rolls against
convicted felons and investigted every one of them.

Just to save me the time,
does that article have such information?


rf,
don't think I haven't noticed how you ignored my question to you about
allowing felons to vote. ;o)
September 30, 2011 1:00 PM - ij
There's some new store called Atrium opening on the PH side of Flatbush Ave.. People are camped out in front, including all night. At first I thought it was some homeless gathering but when I go to work in the morning, they have a full camping tent and Macbooks.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:00 PM
September 30, 2011 1:02 PM - ij
Last night on the Newshour they had a segment about the baseball playoffs. They said when Atlanta lost Wednesday, they held the record for worst playoff race collapse, a record unbroken for 120+ years. 25 minutes later, the Red Sox broke that record!
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:02 PM
September 30, 2011 1:03 PM - More4Less
Delepp, don't forget that Braves also out-stinked our Mets' blowing a 7 game lead and missed playoff.
September 30, 2011 1:03 PM - Deleted
Yes, if McCain had been elected, the economy would have probably been the same. However, it is certain that Sarah Palin would have managed the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire by this time!!

Away we go!!!
September 30, 2011 1:03 PM - bxgrl
It's a 50 page report so I didn't read everyone, but it does question the tactics of the other report, and its facts and sources. But since you're already convinced that the report you cited is correct, why bother? You won't be reading it with an open mind.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:03 PM
September 30, 2011 1:03 PM - minard lafever
I did not vote for Al Gore. Couldn't stand him. But I live in New York State where one's vote counts not at all in presidential elections. The NYS Electoral College votes are automatically given over to the Democrat candidate before the voting even starts. So does it matter if the few swing votes vote this way or that? No. That is why this state contributes more tax dollars to the Federal government than we get back. We're already in the bag. Why worry?


Edited at September 30, 2011 1:03 PM
September 30, 2011 1:05 PM - DeLepp
bxgrl, I think a lot of people feel about christie just as they felt about mccain in early primary season 2000. Like the guy, but the more they found out the less his appeal became. time will tell.
September 30, 2011 1:05 PM - More4Less
Let's go G-Men!!!!!!!!! Time to spank another bird this Sun. BTW, playing another bird next Sun.

Eagles, Cardinals, Seahawks - spank 'em all
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:05 PM
September 30, 2011 1:05 PM - Legion
"The creepier question is would he (or his Atty General) have kept the FBI prioritized on counter terrorism, or let the issues crash to the back burner like they did under Ashcroft? And would that have made a difference?"

boerumresident,
you didn't think I'd let you get away with that one did you?

Considering Al Gore was Vice President at the time and fully aware of "the Wall" built between the sharing of intelligence between the CIA and the FBI,
I would speculate that he would have chosen an attorney general that wouldn't have made a fuss about it.

.
September 30, 2011 1:05 PM - bxgrl
benson- it's the 2000 election, I'm talking about, not 2008. If McCain had won the nomination, not Bush.
September 30, 2011 1:06 PM - Legion
...uh oh,

looks like bxgrl is baiting dibs ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
September 30, 2011 1:07 PM - DeLepp
m4l, well of course happy about braves too.
September 30, 2011 1:07 PM - CGar
"Time to spank another bird this Sun"

Guess we know what m4l is doing this weekend.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:07 PM
September 30, 2011 1:08 PM - rf
Legion, I had a few other things to do besides answering your question on the OT.

I think convicted felons should be able to vote after they complete their sentence and any parole. I think that there would be a very different race and class distribution of conviction of felonies if everyone had the same access to competent legal representation regardless of their economic status. So I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to those who paid their debt to society.

But isn't this is a matter for each state to decide?
September 30, 2011 1:09 PM - bxgrl
How am I baiting dibs? I'm referring a question back to benson because I think I was referring to the 2008, not the 2000 election.
September 30, 2011 1:11 PM - Legion
rf,
I agree with your first sentence,
disagree with the premise of your second sentence,
agree with the third sentence
and with the last sentence as well.

In my book you're batting .750 which is pretty darn good.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:11 PM
September 30, 2011 1:12 PM - dibs
"Legion, I had a few other things to do besides answering your question on the OT."

There's no room for that sort of attitude here. What kind of example are you setting for your daughter?????
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:12 PM
September 30, 2011 1:13 PM - bxgrl
DeLepp- I have to confess. In 2000 I really liked McCain and considered voting for him. I think he's changed a great deal from the McCain of 2000. I think you're right about Christie. Too combative- he'll worry people. And there ar some who don't believe he is conservative enough. I do think Romney will win in the end but that's only a guess.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:13 PM
September 30, 2011 1:13 PM - Legion
lol dibs

yeah,
rf,
I pay attention to you on the OT. Don't be rude!
September 30, 2011 1:13 PM - Deleted
Once again I urge folks to read "Reckless Endangerment" by Gretchen Morgenson of the NYT. Excellent discussion of the roots of the recent economic meltdown. Puts aside the politics and discusses the policies and players that contributed.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:13 PM
September 30, 2011 1:15 PM - bxgrl
rf- your philosophy has been reduced to a batting average. :-)
September 30, 2011 1:19 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Brownstoner is up to about 6 comments. Slowest day ever over there?
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:19 PM
September 30, 2011 1:21 PM - dibs
Hi, randi. How are you today????
September 30, 2011 1:22 PM - Arkady
I'm 100% w/ rf on felons & voting.

September 30, 2011 1:25 PM - dibs
The great and good of the scientific world will gather in Sweden next week for the award of the Nobel prizes. As usual they have been foreshadowed by the Ig Nobel prizes award by the “science humour magazine” Annals of Improbable Research. It is a measure of how seriously these awards are now taken that they were handed out yesterday at Harvard in a ceremony attended by seven out of the ten winners with genuine Nobel laureates on hand to distribute the spoils.

The Physiology Prize went to Anna Wilkinson and her colleagues at the University of Lincoln for their paper, "No Evidence of Contagious Yawning in the Red-Footed Tortoise", whilst the Chemistry prize was scooped by a team from Shiga University in Japan for their experiments that “determined the ideal density of airborne wasabi to awaken sleeping people in case of a fire or other emergency, and for applying this knowledge to invent the wasabi alarm” (which they are seeking to commercialise).

Most intriguing, perhaps, was the Biology Prize, given to two Australian scientists for their seminal discovery that “a certain kind of beetle mates with a certain kind of Australian beer bottle”. Professor Darryl Gwynne explains how he and his colleague, David Rentz, discovered some buprestid beetles molesting some “stubbies” left on the side of the road :
"It was just co-incidental that my area of research was Darwinian sexual selection and how sex differences evolve, and here was a classic example taking place in front of my eyes where males were making mating errors.....It was very obvious the beetles were trying to mate. These beetles have enormous genitalia, and they're large to start with - over two inches long......The sad thing was that these beetles were dying; they wouldn't leave the bottles alone. They'd fall off them exhausted .....It was almost certainly the visual colour - the bottle looked like a giant female. And also in the reflectance patterns - there were stipples on the bottles that resembled marks on the females' wing covers."
September 30, 2011 1:26 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Don't worry about the comment volume on that other site, folks, Inside Third & Bond is back! And they even have a comment.
September 30, 2011 1:26 PM - Legion
arkady,
You get a .750 batting average in my book too. ;o)
...the two of you just need to work on the AB's (at bats),
your post counts have been increasing lately though.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:26 PM
September 30, 2011 1:28 PM - sixyearsandcounting
never thought i'd see you'd post "enormous genitalia" and "over two inches long" in the same sentence, dibs.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:28 PM
September 30, 2011 1:28 PM - bxgrl
Now you know, as someone who is hard of hearing, the wasabi thing could be useful. Of course my ulcers would immediately go into full attack and there is always the danger that it will be eaten as condiment.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:28 PM
September 30, 2011 1:29 PM - bxgrl
6 years- wouldn't that be an oxymoron of sorts? :)
September 30, 2011 1:31 PM - dibs
Wassssabi...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZk7-1uGmc4
September 30, 2011 1:32 PM - CGar
"I think convicted felons should be able to vote after they complete their sentence and any parole."

I agree completely.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:32 PM
September 30, 2011 1:33 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Pretty good Dave. Nice day out, great bike ride to work this morning.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:33 PM
September 30, 2011 1:34 PM - dibs
"I think convicted felons should be able to vote after they complete their sentence and any parole."


What if they're still "on the down lo?"
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:34 PM
September 30, 2011 1:35 PM - CGar
"They'd fall off them exhausted"

Many a PLUSA has been known to fall off a bottle exhausted.
September 30, 2011 1:36 PM - dibs
CGar...check your email. I have an important request.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:36 PM
September 30, 2011 1:40 PM - CGar
dave, I got it and just replied.
September 30, 2011 1:42 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Lets make a list of what "Dave's important request" could be....


September 30, 2011 1:43 PM - CGar
Speaking of, would it kill you to check your email once a while Legion???
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:43 PM
September 30, 2011 1:43 PM - CGar
Now you're in trouble, Legion, as I just realized I have your cell number, which means I'll be texting you when I need your prompt attention. As you may know, there are quite a few PLUSAs who had to get unlimited text plans after giving me their cell phone numbers. Foolish mortals.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:43 PM
September 30, 2011 1:44 PM - CGar
randi, I assure you that you'd never guess.

And, btw, randi, you never emailed me so I could invite you to gatherings.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:44 PM
September 30, 2011 1:45 PM - dibs
"Dave's important request"

1. Don't steal anything

September 30, 2011 1:47 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: "Dave's important request"

2. Vote republican.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:47 PM
September 30, 2011 1:49 PM - dibs
Randi, I'm not a straight ticket voter. There are plenty of situations, mostly locally, when a Democrat is the right choice. For example, when I lived in Chicago, I most likely voted Republican nationally but to vote for a Republican for city council would be just plain ridiculous. I did vote for Clinton back then.
September 30, 2011 1:51 PM - dibs
3. If you're in this country, do as we do and wear deodorant.
September 30, 2011 1:52 PM - dibs
5. Don't scratch with your teeth
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:53 PM
September 30, 2011 1:52 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: "Dave's important request"

4. Enter through the back door. You can leave your shoes on.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:52 PM
September 30, 2011 1:53 PM - Legion
dave's secret request:
How do I get tickets to RadioHead on Wall Street?
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:53 PM
September 30, 2011 1:54 PM - dibs
dave's secret request:
How do I get tickets to RadioHead on Wall Street?

Legion, no need. I'd just find a colleague with an office down there and watch from there. If we were feeling generous we'd toss coins to the hoi polloi gathered below
September 30, 2011 1:56 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I don't wear deodorant, it's really bad for you and your body adjusts to not using it. I don't smell bad at all :)
September 30, 2011 1:57 PM - dibs
CGar...you really want to invite randi out after reading that????????
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:57 PM
September 30, 2011 1:57 PM - Donatella
I guess Torre would coach the Red Sox but that would be hard to stomach.

Still beautiful in Florida.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:57 PM
September 30, 2011 1:59 PM - Arkady
CatGar - I'd be delighted to go with you to Sting's 60th Birthday concert benefit for the Robin Hood Foundation at the Beacon tomorrow but I'll be out of town.
Edited at September 30, 2011 1:59 PM
September 30, 2011 2:01 PM - CGar
Puma, we'll go another time. I just hope I look as good as Sting when I'm 60.

Did you see the break-dancing cat I posted for you earlier???
September 30, 2011 2:02 PM - CGar
dave, it's not like randi is ever going to come out and meet us.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:02 PM
September 30, 2011 2:02 PM - Deleted
"Legion, no need. I'd just find a colleague with an office down there and watch from there. If we were feeling generous we'd toss coins to the hoi polloi gathered below"

dave would be sad to know it's been at least a decade since they played his favorite karaoke song live. they're more of an experimental band now
September 30, 2011 2:04 PM - rf
Radiohead was the musical guest on Saturday Night Live last week.
September 30, 2011 2:04 PM - dibs
"they're more of an experimental band now"

meaning they don't get real gigs, just relegated to play for anarchists in a park.

That's really too bad. They should have stuck with the old stuff. The baby boomers are the ones with the money who'd pay to see them!!!!!
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:04 PM
September 30, 2011 2:07 PM - Deleted
"meaning they don't get real gigs, just relegated to play for anarchists in a park"

are you serious? they just played two intimate shows at roseland ballroom that sold out in 3 seconds (literally) and are capabale of selling out multiple nights at MSG.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:07 PM
September 30, 2011 2:08 PM - dibs
I forgot that, rf. Maybe SNL can revive them
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:08 PM
September 30, 2011 2:09 PM - Arkady
I think they're brilliant!
Yes, CG, saw your break dancing cat - very cute. When are we going dancing?
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:09 PM
September 30, 2011 2:09 PM - dibs
OK, I guess you're right.

But they'll never be a U2, dh :-P
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:09 PM
September 30, 2011 2:10 PM - dibs
"When are we going dancing?"

This I gotta see!!!!!!
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:10 PM
September 30, 2011 2:10 PM - dibs
Where's the after party for Radiohead? Maybe I'll crash it.
September 30, 2011 2:11 PM - Deleted
probably williamsburg.
September 30, 2011 2:11 PM - dibs
Oh well.
September 30, 2011 2:13 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Dibs: "OK, I guess you're right."

There is a first time for everything.
September 30, 2011 2:14 PM - Arkady
dibs - You in town this weekend?
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:14 PM
September 30, 2011 2:15 PM - CGar
Jews can't dance, Arkady.
September 30, 2011 2:15 PM - ij
I just had to throw a guy out (tell him to leave actually). I haven't done that in 2 years. He was cursing at people.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:15 PM
September 30, 2011 2:16 PM - dibs
No. going to PA.

randi, when I've been wrong in the past I have admitted it. It isn't often but it has happened
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:15 PM
September 30, 2011 2:16 PM - dibs
I've cursed at people here and haven't gotten thrown out.
September 30, 2011 2:17 PM - ij
"it's been at least a decade since they played his favorite karaoke song live."

Tori Amos has a hair metal album that everyone agrees basically doesn't exist.
September 30, 2011 2:17 PM - Arkady
That's Horable, CG!
dibs - I'll be not far from Carverville.
September 30, 2011 2:21 PM - dibs
You want to stop by, Arkady??? Liquid lunch on Saturday at the Black bass on the Delaware????
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:21 PM
September 30, 2011 2:22 PM - rf
From the Newspaper of Record:


SEPTEMBER 30, 2011, 1:39 PM
Radiohead Show ‘Definitely Not Going to Happen,’ Band Says

By ANDY NEWMAN and JAMES MCKINLEY
Cory Schwartz/Getty ImagesThom Yorke of Radiohead at Roseland on Thursday.
Updated, 1:55 p.m. | Laura Eldeiry, a spokeswoman for Radiohead, said that the band would not be playing a show at Zuccotti Park on Friday that had been announced by Occupy Wall Street’s organizers.

“It’s definitely not going to happen,” Ms. Eldeiry said. “It’s a false rumor.” She said that the band had nothing to do with the announcement and that a show “was never planned.”

September 30, 2011 2:23 PM - CGar
I hear dancing is a Cakewalk for the goyim. One Minuet they're walking, next they're dancing.
September 30, 2011 2:24 PM - Arkady
That's a new Twist, CG!
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:24 PM
September 30, 2011 2:25 PM - Arkady
Would love to, dibs, but booked for activities at school.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:25 PM
September 30, 2011 2:26 PM - Arkady
I'll boogie on down another time...
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:26 PM
September 30, 2011 2:26 PM - Deleted
radiohead with special guest tony baloney the pepper spraying pig


Edited at September 30, 2011 2:26 PM
September 30, 2011 2:27 PM - CGar
Waltz everyone doing this weekend?
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:27 PM
September 30, 2011 2:27 PM - dibs
Too bad, Arkady. My 95 year old neighbor is having a party at her house. You and she could reminisce about the Depression.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:27 PM
September 30, 2011 2:29 PM - Donatella
No, changed my mind. Torre would not coach the Red Sox. That would be nuts and open him up to a major world of hurt.

In this part of Florida, the unifying color is moss green. If I had a little house here, I would paint it a light sage green color and make fabulous landscaping with palm trees and shrubs. But I would never live here. Miami yes. St. Augustine, yes. Here, no.
September 30, 2011 2:29 PM - dibs
None of these present day cops could have lasted through the 60s. Imagine their response to being called pigs all the time!!!! Too many of them are hot headed jackasses with that really bad police mentality. Not all, but too many.
September 30, 2011 2:31 PM - dibs
CGar...I'm taking the Love Train to Philly at around 4:30
September 30, 2011 2:31 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I bet Dave and benson and others on here 100% support what toney baloney and his hair trigger!
September 30, 2011 2:33 PM - dibs
Read my 2:29, randi.
September 30, 2011 2:35 PM - CGar
dave, I hope Amtrak doesn't Conga out again this week and leave you in Limbo.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:35 PM
September 30, 2011 2:35 PM - More4Less
can't wait till yanks-tigers game later. if CC does well this playoff, he in prime position to make Yanks pay him big time - ie he opts out of contract then asks for 8 yr $200M and maybe settle for 6 yrs $150M
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:35 PM
September 30, 2011 2:35 PM - rf
Hassids dance (men together).
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:35 PM
September 30, 2011 2:36 PM - CGar
I can't believe a diehard Mets fan is following the Yankees.
September 30, 2011 2:38 PM - More4Less
Jets need to spank some birds themselves this Sun. Need to be 3-1 heading into game with rival Pats
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:38 PM
September 30, 2011 2:39 PM - dibs
Even though you fancy yourself the bossa nova body really cares
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:39 PM
September 30, 2011 2:39 PM - More4Less
CGar, Mets are out. no other sports playing today. I live in NYC. what's wrong with some local support for the Yanks. As a yanks fan, do you know what is CC's win-loss record this year?
September 30, 2011 2:39 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Just what we need, more grossly overpaid spots stars. What a fucking messed up country we live in.
September 30, 2011 2:40 PM - dibs
m4l, he's Jewish. Jews don't know sports statistics.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:40 PM
September 30, 2011 2:41 PM - dibs
And neither do Irish fags.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:41 PM
September 30, 2011 2:42 PM - Arkady
Oy, gavotte! We learned to be frug-al back then, dibs.
September 30, 2011 2:42 PM - More4Less
Randi, Jeter, Arod, Burnett, Posada,...- those are the overpaid on the team. CC aint overpaid. How much do the top movies and TV stars get paid????
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:42 PM
September 30, 2011 2:42 PM - CGar
I don't know the stats off-hand, m4l, but I know Sabathia's win-loss stats are in the top 2 or 3 for the AL this year.
September 30, 2011 2:44 PM - More4Less
Randi, you're going to check out some Nets games given the convenience? Doubt getting tickets will be hard
September 30, 2011 2:44 PM - CGar
Better Hustle if you're going to make the train, dave, but be careful not to Twist your ankle on the stairs.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:44 PM
September 30, 2011 2:46 PM - Arkady
He'll be there in jig time.
September 30, 2011 2:47 PM - CGar
"Jews don't know sports statistics"

If Howard Cosell was alive, he would slap your face.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:47 PM
September 30, 2011 2:48 PM - CGar
"He'll be there in jig time."

Provided he doesn't stop to Shag some Hustle-r.
September 30, 2011 2:48 PM - dibs
Probably Marv Alpert, too. And make me wear women's underwear.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:48 PM
September 30, 2011 2:49 PM - dibs
And Len Berman.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:49 PM
September 30, 2011 2:49 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
:-( can't join in a dance pun-fest. the only dances i know about are ones you all likely have never even heard of/never seen :-(
September 30, 2011 2:51 PM - Arkady
Warner Wolfe, anyone?
Snappy - You must love the black bottom!
September 30, 2011 2:51 PM - cobblehiller
I'm reeling from these dance puns.
September 30, 2011 2:52 PM - CGar
Sambady as clever as you can come up with a dance pun, Snappy.
September 30, 2011 2:54 PM - Deleted
**peeks in**

are we still punning?
September 30, 2011 2:54 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i don't know the black bottom...i'll have to google that when i get home!

any of you ever heard of:

the aunt jackie
the dougie
the tootsie roll
the butterfly
the chicken noodle soup
the chacha slide
the lean back
the troop
?

September 30, 2011 2:55 PM - CGar
Snappy, if you're sputTarantella joke.
September 30, 2011 2:55 PM - dibs
I think Disco too far already.
September 30, 2011 2:55 PM - More4Less
DH, What / how you think the Jets will do against them birds this Sun?
September 30, 2011 2:56 PM - cobblehiller
Wasn't Chacha Slide the thing all the short people liked a couple years ago?
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:56 PM
September 30, 2011 2:57 PM - More4Less
DIBS, looks like a bad close today without any computer trading to get to positive close
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:57 PM
September 30, 2011 2:57 PM - CGar
dave, did you read that m4l is into spanking???
September 30, 2011 2:58 PM - cobblehiller
Ah yep, here it is....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZv62ShoStY
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:58 PM
September 30, 2011 2:58 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Cobble, very likely. It's the one done to the song where they give you all the instructions in the lyrics. Kinda fun, even though I kept effing it up despite clear instructions! Ha!
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:58 PM
September 30, 2011 2:58 PM - dibs
m4l....still too early to call the close.


September 30, 2011 2:59 PM - Arkady
My slide is electric.
Edited at September 30, 2011 2:59 PM
September 30, 2011 2:59 PM - CGar
cobble, "have (tape)gun, will travel", but not if you keep calling me short!
September 30, 2011 3:00 PM - rf
Anyone with a kid younger than 25 knows about the Cha Cha Slide!
September 30, 2011 3:00 PM - Arkady
M4L - You afraid you'll be tapped out?
September 30, 2011 3:00 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Not necessarily RF! You'd be surprised.
September 30, 2011 3:01 PM - More4Less
DIBS, it's comical seeing headlines on if Greece will default or not. it's just a matter of when. I suspect once the ring fences are up, it'll default. if not those dudes buying the greeces notes now will make a killing
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:01 PM
September 30, 2011 3:01 PM - bxgrl
Let them mull on that while they're mashing potatoes, snappy :)
September 30, 2011 3:02 PM - cobblehiller
"cobble, "have (tape)gun, will travel", but not if you keep calling me short!"

No need for tape! Movers, Not Shakers is bringing plastic bins. But please bring yourself, I promise not to use the "s" word. ; )
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:02 PM
September 30, 2011 3:03 PM - More4Less
Arkady, I can't be tapped out by a bad mkt. I'm like Neo in the matrix - can dodge all them mkt crash bullets.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:03 PM
September 30, 2011 3:03 PM - bxgrl
Cgar- only squares don't dance.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:03 PM
September 30, 2011 3:03 PM - Arkady
M4L - I thought you liked a ball.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:03 PM
September 30, 2011 3:04 PM - cobblehiller
"Kinda fun, even though I kept effing it up despite clear instructions! Ha!"

I'd probably hurt myself trying to do it! : P But the short people had it down...cracked me up to watch. We just laughed and laughed!
September 30, 2011 3:04 PM - CGar
The Jew needs a Break from Dance puns.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:04 PM
September 30, 2011 3:05 PM - Arkady
You can-can give it a fling!
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:05 PM
September 30, 2011 3:05 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I can mash potato and "squish, squash, kill that roach!" LOL Bxgirl!
September 30, 2011 3:05 PM - CGar
While you Folks Dance, I'll sit this one out.
September 30, 2011 3:06 PM - CGar
Don't be Contra-ry about dance puns.
September 30, 2011 3:06 PM - Arkady
dibs is doing the hokey-pokey again.
September 30, 2011 3:07 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I have a friend who, in college, broke her thumb trying to do a dance that went along to Prince's "Pussy Control." I told her that was God smiting her for dancing to such music! LOL
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:07 PM
September 30, 2011 3:07 PM - CGar
Arkady, I'm One-Step from Stomping out of here for the day.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:07 PM
September 30, 2011 3:07 PM - Arkady
Or is it the Mexican hat dance?
September 30, 2011 3:08 PM - CGar
PS, Puma, I fear I drove Legion off.
September 30, 2011 3:08 PM - cobblehiller
"I told her that was God smiting her for dancing to such music!"

Snort!
September 30, 2011 3:08 PM - bxgrl
Keep it up snaps and they'll Bump you off this blog :)
September 30, 2011 3:09 PM - denton
Just came back from Wall Street, word is that Radiohead will be there at 4PM. They were playing Roseland last two nights so you never know. Later.

September 30, 2011 3:09 PM - More4Less
bxgrl, Chinamen can't dance either. they need some hot honeys dance around them to camoflauge their weakness
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:09 PM
September 30, 2011 3:09 PM - CGar
"But the short people had it down"

cobble, in the words of Ronald Reagan, "There you go again."
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:09 PM
September 30, 2011 3:10 PM - dibs
Let's all take two-steps back from this and rethink it.
September 30, 2011 3:10 PM - Arkady
CG - That turkey trotted long since.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:10 PM
September 30, 2011 3:11 PM - dibs
Denton, see the post at 2:22



September 30, 2011 3:11 PM - bxgrl
Sorry to hear the M4L. Don't feel bad. When Jewish women dance we get called horas by certain ehubbies I could mention. ;-)
September 30, 2011 3:11 PM - Arkady
CG - Don't be such a slow polka.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:11 PM
September 30, 2011 3:12 PM - dibs
2,500 cartons of romaine lettuce recalled due to Listeria.

If I remember my microbiology correctly, there'd be no contamination with Listeria if fertilizer was used, only this organic shit (no pun intended).
September 30, 2011 3:13 PM - CGar
"Chinamen can't dance either"

Best line from Social Network, about the connection between Jewish guys and Asian women: "They're hot, they're smart, they're NOT Jewish, and they CAN'T dance."
September 30, 2011 3:15 PM - Arkady
ptomaine is a lot worse than balletomane.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:15 PM
September 30, 2011 3:15 PM - cobblehiller
""There you go again.""

If I was talking about you, you would know it! : P
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:15 PM
September 30, 2011 3:16 PM - CGar
m4l, an eWife only gets called a Hora when she sells her body on Nevins & Butler.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:16 PM
September 30, 2011 3:16 PM - Arkady
That's a hula valotta lettuce!
September 30, 2011 3:18 PM - petebklyn
keep the romaine and pas de deux.
September 30, 2011 3:18 PM - CGar
I hadn't heard about the lettuce recall, but I did read about people who got sick from undercooked Lemon Merengue pie.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:18 PM
September 30, 2011 3:19 PM - CGar
"If I was talking about you, you would know it!"

Oy Gavotte, cobble!
September 30, 2011 3:19 PM - Arkady
That would give you the trots or a wicked belly dance.
September 30, 2011 3:21 PM - CGar
From the very Beguine, I've been suspicious of organic foods, Arkady.
September 30, 2011 3:21 PM - petebklyn
cantelope caused all the listeria last week (you could buy one for .99 in my market).
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:21 PM
September 30, 2011 3:24 PM - Arkady
You don't have to elope any more, pete - you can be married at registry.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:24 PM
September 30, 2011 3:26 PM - dibs
There was a girl in my grad school whose name was Lopes. She had really gig knockers so her nickname was "Canta"
September 30, 2011 3:28 PM - Deleted
I have no clue what Randi's question to me was all about. I also have no clue who Radiohead is.
September 30, 2011 3:28 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I got a 625 on my peak flow meter!!! Yay! I usually only blow a 425-450 (keep your minds outta the gutter) so this is significant improvement, especially after Wed night's scare :-) YAHOO FOR ME!

::smoking less makes me cranky but helps me breathe::
September 30, 2011 3:30 PM - denton
benson, while my daughter constantly confounds me with the names of bands that I have never heard of, Radiohead is big. Very big. From wikipedia:

Radiohead have sold more than 30 million albums worldwide,[1] and the band's work has been placed highly in both listener polls and critics' lists.[2][3] In 2005, Radiohead were ranked number 73 in Rolling Stone's list of "The Greatest Artists of All Time", while Ed O'Brien and Jonny Greenwood were both included in Rolling Stone's list of greatest guitarists, and Thom Yorke in their list of greatest singers.[4] While the band's earlier albums were most influential on British rock and pop music,[5] musicians in a wide variety of genres have been influenced by their later work.[6]


September 30, 2011 3:36 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
700!!!!
September 30, 2011 3:38 PM - dibs
Loser
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:38 PM
September 30, 2011 3:41 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Moronic ghetto dwelling jackass :-)
September 30, 2011 3:41 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Benson did u ever see the film there will be blood? The guitarist from radiohead did the score.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:41 PM
September 30, 2011 3:41 PM - More4Less
DIBS, looking like a WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE close today
September 30, 2011 3:41 PM - Deleted
Thanks Denton. Generally speaking, I am completely divorced from most pop culture.
September 30, 2011 3:42 PM - dibs
Picky eater, cat loving, man hating asshat.
September 30, 2011 3:42 PM - More4Less
Randi, what's the post count over "there"?
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:42 PM
September 30, 2011 3:43 PM - Deleted
Isn't ok computer way up there amongst the greatest albums of all time?
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:43 PM
September 30, 2011 3:43 PM - Deleted
Randi;

Yes I did see that film! OK, thanks for providing some context.

I thought that it was a pretty good flick, except for the ending.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:43 PM
September 30, 2011 3:44 PM - More4Less
DIBS, you forgot "ghetto". greenwood is still ghetto
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:44 PM
September 30, 2011 3:45 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Lint licking, uppity, oyster eatin', man lovin' twit :-)
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:45 PM
September 30, 2011 3:47 PM - dibs
That reminds me....it's almost WHITE TRUFFLE season. This would be the only example of something found in nature where I'd prefer the white version over the black version if it was going in my mouth.
September 30, 2011 3:48 PM - CGar
"Lint licking, uppity, oyster eatin', man lovin' twit :-)"

Says the woman who tells all the rest of us to be nice to each other.

Edited at September 30, 2011 3:48 PM
September 30, 2011 3:50 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Around 30 m4l.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:50 PM
September 30, 2011 3:50 PM - cobblehiller
"Picky eater, cat loving, man hating asshat.
Lint licking, uppity, oyster eatin', man lovin' twit."

You two are cracking me up!
And btw, you're both a couple of blog-posting, bad-punning, homos. ; )
September 30, 2011 3:51 PM - ij
In my lifetime the GOAT rock albums have variously been:

Led Zeppelin IV
Dark Side of the Moon
Achtung Baby

September 30, 2011 3:51 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: What about Chocolate, Dibs?
September 30, 2011 3:51 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Cargar, hush up, you tootie hole scrubbin' penguin :-)
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:51 PM
September 30, 2011 3:52 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
ROFL Cobble!
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:51 PM
September 30, 2011 3:52 PM - CGar
3 things I love about Fall: Concord grapes, crisp apples fresh from the orchard, and cool nights.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:52 PM
September 30, 2011 3:52 PM - bxgrl
snaps- at least he didn't call you a 3rd world mouthpiece or Zionist tool ;-)
September 30, 2011 3:52 PM - dibs
Actually, randi, white chocolate is better. yes, I know it's not really chocolate.

But within the chocolate world, dark chocolate is better than milk chocolate.
September 30, 2011 3:53 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I sleep so much better from now through may.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:53 PM
September 30, 2011 3:54 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: White chocolate is gross if you ask me. What is it anyway?
September 30, 2011 3:54 PM - cobblehiller
"I sleep so much better from now through may."

We're all reassured to hear this, randi. It was concerning us. : P
September 30, 2011 3:54 PM - dibs
"I sleep so much better from now through may."

So do hibernating bears. Do you put a tampion up your butthole?????
September 30, 2011 3:54 PM - More4Less
randi, I would rate 30 as a good day over there nowadays
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:54 PM
September 30, 2011 3:55 PM - Arkady
3 things I dislike about autumn: closing the pool, earlier twilight, closing the garden.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:55 PM
September 30, 2011 3:56 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: "So do hibernating bears. Do you put a tampion up your butthole?????"

:/
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:56 PM
September 30, 2011 3:57 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Love fall temps. Not too hot, not too cold. Just right. Call me Goldilocks. Or, er, would that be Brownielocks? :-)
September 30, 2011 3:57 PM - CGar
Your eruditeness, I agree about disliking earlier twilights.
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:57 PM
September 30, 2011 3:57 PM - denton
"I agree with your observations about tablets. From what I've seen so far, it only makes sense for sales people. Handy for making presentations, and lightweight (compared to a laptop)."

I was meaning to comment on this the other day but ran out of time.

I have to carry a lot of engineering data in my daily travels. (I also carry a book to read). A few years ago, it was heavy. I coulda got a laptop, but they were pretty heavy also. When netbooks came out, I was able to transfer all the data to a netbook and saved a couple of pounds. Netbook was great but slow bootup and net access only from wifi. A few weeks ago I got both a tablet (Samsung Galaxy, I hate Apple) and also a kindle. What with replacing the book with a kindle and the netbook with a tab, it lightened my load so much I was able to get a smaller lighter backpack. Probably saved 5 pounds.


September 30, 2011 3:58 PM - Arkady
White choc has cocoa butter (as in suntan oils) but no cocoa solids. It's crap.
September 30, 2011 3:59 PM - cobblehiller
" It's crap."

Don't hold back, Arkady. Tell us how you really feel! ; )
Edited at September 30, 2011 3:59 PM
September 30, 2011 4:00 PM - Arkady
I bet even Snappy would find white choc unobjectionable since it doesn't taste like choc.
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:00 PM
September 30, 2011 4:00 PM - Arkady
I bet it qualifies as a vegetable.
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:00 PM
September 30, 2011 4:01 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
white chocolate is super foul. i don't care what color you make it, chocolate is gross. period. end of story. move along. nothing more to see here. close your eyes. done. finito. fin.

:-)
September 30, 2011 4:02 PM - bxgrl
Speaking of crap- from Justin Beiber:

""I just want to take my time/ I just want to my thing/ Maybe we press rewind/ Maybe I buy that ring/ We could grow old together/ Just share our souls together/ Find how to love, kiss and hug/ How to roll together/ I just need you by my side/ Maybe we could be all right/ I just want to hold you right/ We can go into the night/ You're the one I need." "

And this is considered a major talent?
September 30, 2011 4:03 PM - Arkady
Someone who knows what he or she is doing should go to the home page here & delete 2 spam active posts. (I'm afraid if I do it I'll end up having bought viagra.)
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:03 PM
September 30, 2011 4:03 PM - bxgrl
Don't like white chocolate either. Tastes like candle wax.
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:03 PM
September 30, 2011 4:03 PM - cobblehiller
Cocoa pod is considered a fruit.
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:03 PM
September 30, 2011 4:03 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Bxgrl you think he actually writes his own lyrics? No f ing way. That dude LA Reid wrote his biggest song baby baby baby or whatever it's called.

Why do I know these things. Ugh.
September 30, 2011 4:04 PM - Legion
Te hee hee,

Ok I'm back.
Did anyone miss me?

September 30, 2011 4:05 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Bxgirl, gotta learn to differentiate:

Star: famous for being cute, having a sex tape, being with someone famous, being paid attention to for no real discernable reason. a sad puddle of gravy sans potatoes.

Talent: one with a skill that stands out among the crowd, the honing of one's craft, the ability to do something well. may look good while doing something well, but the looking good is just gravy on a nice, steamy pile of potatoes.

:-)
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:05 PM
September 30, 2011 4:06 PM - denton
arkady at your age you probably should keep some around the house, in case a similarly aged potential bf walks in. (sorry, couldn't resist!)

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September 30, 2011 4:06 PM - denton
"I think convicted felons should be able to vote after they complete their sentence and any parole. I think that there would be a very different race and class distribution of conviction of felonies if everyone had the same access to competent legal representation regardless of their economic status. So I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to those who paid their debt to society.

But isn't this is a matter for each state to decide?"

rh, I believe you are right. I had to look into this once for a kid that worked for me and if I recall correctly in NY ex-felons can vote once parole conditions satisfied.


September 30, 2011 4:07 PM - CGar
"Tastes like candle wax."

I stopped buying candles for bxgrl when I discovered her eating them.
September 30, 2011 4:08 PM - CGar
I missed you, Legion. I feared I drove you off when I likened you to a Nazi propagandist.
September 30, 2011 4:08 PM - Arkady
Hah! Good idea, denton, if I weren't a cradle-robbing Puma!
September 30, 2011 4:08 PM - More4Less
bxgrl, his talent (have it or not) won't matter until he's above 22 yrs old. his baby face will carry him till then
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September 30, 2011 4:09 PM - CGar
denton, please do NOT encourage my Puma to seek the company of other men.
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:09 PM
September 30, 2011 4:09 PM - denton
Wish you were around when I was 14!
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September 30, 2011 4:09 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Cargar, you never bought me any candles, ya cheap bird!
September 30, 2011 4:09 PM - CGar
It's bad enough that I have to share her with dave!
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:09 PM
September 30, 2011 4:10 PM - Arkady
I could probably still teach you a thing or two: ask CG.
September 30, 2011 4:10 PM - Arkady
or dibs.
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:10 PM
September 30, 2011 4:11 PM - cobblehiller
"Cargar, you never bought me any candles, ya cheap bird!"

He just hasn't found any with glitter in them...yet! : P
September 30, 2011 4:11 PM - Legion
Last word on the Minnesota issue :
Think of it as a math problem,
not an ethics problem.

The facts stand:
-Coleman was ahead at first count by over 700
-Franken then went ahead on recount
-Franken won by about 200
-Watchdog group uncovered more than 300 fraudulent felon votes in one county alone.
-Prosecutors in one county stated that they were looking into it as boerumresident stated.
-Watchdog group countered that they were being stonewalled by other counties but another county prosecutor did admit that their findings could reveal even more fraudulent votes than the watchdog suspected.
Please read that Wall Street Journal report I posted.
-In the end, there was no significant effort in all 87 counties to do an evaluation of felons voting.
-Since then, the matter appears to have been dropped with the watchdog group even admitting that the election was already certified and so Franken could not be removed at this point.

P.S. bxgrl, I read the article you posted.
It may shock you, but I agree with the man's efforts.
I agree any efforts to keep the election honest.
I'm a Libra after all :o)
September 30, 2011 4:11 PM - CGar
Snappy, "we" didn't know that candles were on your approved list. Recall the debacle when I offered you fresh corn from Bucks County...
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:11 PM
September 30, 2011 4:12 PM - CGar
What cobble said.
September 30, 2011 4:13 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
ROFL!

First of all, if he hasn't yet spotted glitter candles, he hasn't been lookin' too hard, the lazy bird!

And second of all, had ya asked me long ago, you would have known that candles are on my approved list, ya inattentive bird!
September 30, 2011 4:13 PM - cobblehiller
Snaps doesn't like fresh corn???
September 30, 2011 4:13 PM - More4Less
DH, good luck with the move man
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:13 PM
September 30, 2011 4:14 PM - CGar
Legion, check your email again, stat!

We have a LOT of Libra birthdays to celebrate. Denton, Goat Boy, Legion, the Pasty Brit and me that I know of. Pete, are you a Virgo or a Libra?
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:15 PM
September 30, 2011 4:15 PM - More4Less
what???? there was a CGar, Arkady, DIBS triangle thing going on???
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:15 PM
September 30, 2011 4:15 PM - bxgrl
Arkady- I deleted the pages but scott will have to delete it from the forum lists. I know how to do it theoretically but son't want to accidentally break any links.

Sadly true, M4L.

Snappy- you're right. I get so confused- like when I ate the candles and thought they were white chocolate. It's a gift I have :)
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:15 PM
September 30, 2011 4:15 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Cobble, I do, but as usual, I'm VERY VERY PICKY about it and really have to be in the mood for it. But, 9 times outta ten, I won't eat it off the cob.
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September 30, 2011 4:16 PM - Legion
CGar,
don't forget Donatella too.
September 30, 2011 4:16 PM - CGar
m4l, some times Snappy is there, too, and we have 4-way orgies by the pool.
September 30, 2011 4:17 PM - cobblehiller
"what???? there was a CGar, Arkady, DIBS triangle thing going on???"

No. It's a CGar, Arkady, DIBS and denton quadrangle! : P
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:17 PM
September 30, 2011 4:17 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I'm the official orgy videographer. Remember that pic of a certain someone reclining with his fins in the pool? I took that shot. That was the last pic where Dave, Arkady and Cargar were clothed. After that, all hell broke loose. Skinny Dippin'!
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:17 PM
September 30, 2011 4:18 PM - CGar
I know when donatella's birthday is, but wasn't sure if she was Virgo or Libra. Quite a "productive" sign.
September 30, 2011 4:19 PM - Arkady
I like the word skinny applied to me.
September 30, 2011 4:19 PM - denton
great. 2 gay guys and a woman. At least I won't have any competition!
September 30, 2011 4:20 PM - bxgrl
CGar, Arkady, DIBS, denton AND snappy- a pentagon of turgid lust and longing..
September 30, 2011 4:20 PM - More4Less
WOW, SO YA'LL ALL SWITCHED TEAMS FOR THE DAY ON THAT DAY??? WHO WAS THE BAD PERFORMER THAT CAUSE THE TEAM SWITCHING TO BE NOT PERMANENT???
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:20 PM
September 30, 2011 4:21 PM - denton
snappy's competition!
September 30, 2011 4:21 PM - CGar
And, Snappy, if you Google Images "lifeinbkln Snappy", guess what image appear in the second row, thank you very fucking much!!!
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:21 PM
September 30, 2011 4:22 PM - cobblehiller
"I'm the official orgy videographer."

ROFL!!
September 30, 2011 4:22 PM - Legion
Have a great weekend everyone!
September 30, 2011 4:22 PM - More4Less
I would pin that on DIBS as he aint here to defend himself at this moment
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September 30, 2011 4:23 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Cargar, I'm not getting anything. Google it exactly like that in the quotes?
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:23 PM
September 30, 2011 4:25 PM - CGar
In Google Images, enter: lifeinbkln snappy
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:25 PM
September 30, 2011 4:25 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Ah, now I see! tee hee hee!
September 30, 2011 4:27 PM - boerumresident
Legion, the article wouldn't load on my end. What was the date and I can search for it on the WSJ website myself?

The article I referred to mentioned prosecutors around the state, I just quoted that one because it got the biggest quote in the article (probably being the county of St. Paul and most of the Minneapolis suburbs helped for a tv report from the twin cities). Apparently it was pretty consistent that more than half of the names being submitted by "Minnesota MAters" were bad accusations even at first glance. As for the "depth of investigation," this type of case is easy to make -- either the felon did or did not vote/register to vote. I doubt there needed to be much "investigation."

Also please stop using the word "fraudulent." Felon's votes are not "fraudulent" votes -- they are potentially "wrongful" votes, but they are no more fraudulent than if a 16 year old was registered as a voter and allowed to vote.
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:27 PM
September 30, 2011 4:32 PM - Legion
boerumresident

Wall Street Journal
July 14, 2010
Felons for Franken

...ok, have a nice weekend everyone.
;o)
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September 30, 2011 4:39 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Snappy I can be the orgy editor, but it better be a union shoot!
September 30, 2011 4:43 PM - dibs
I don't want anything to do with no woman who don't like "stuff" in her bloody mary.

Besides, there was a lot of muy caliente latino eye candy on the E train to Penn Station
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:43 PM
September 30, 2011 4:43 PM - cobblehiller
randi, Do you live in Prospect Heights?
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September 30, 2011 4:43 PM - boerumresident
Legion -- never mind the link is working now. But that's not an article, but a John Fund column. That only counts if one is also willing to accept Maureen Dowd or Paul Krugman articles for their complete veracity.

And that's setting aside any political bias that the "watchdog group" might have (it seems from poking around on the internets that it's a rather right wing Minnesota group that seems to focus on fighting any hints of SSM beocming legal).
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:43 PM
September 30, 2011 4:44 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Ft Greene
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September 30, 2011 4:45 PM - cobblehiller
Oh. Ok. Nevermind.
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:45 PM
September 30, 2011 4:45 PM - CGar
"it better be a union shoot!"

Double entendre intended?
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:45 PM
September 30, 2011 4:45 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: who do u ask!?
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:45 PM
September 30, 2011 4:47 PM - cobblehiller
It's nothing. Nevermind.
September 30, 2011 4:48 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Randi, it's definitely a union shoot. Alcohol is always provided, cigarette breaks are frequent, etc. But you should know that we've done away with the anti-sexual harrassment portion of the company handbook. If you are sensitive and can't handle being called a "Nancy-boy" at least once per shoot, this ain't the job for you!
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:48 PM
September 30, 2011 4:52 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Dave, honey, you're stuttering!
Edited at September 30, 2011 4:52 PM
September 30, 2011 5:05 PM - DeLepp
Since union is there a extra stipend for number of money shots?
Edited at September 30, 2011 5:05 PM
September 30, 2011 5:06 PM - More4Less
NITE ALL
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September 30, 2011 5:08 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Delepp, $15 per :-) How else do you think Dave could afford to go with such a low ask on his house?
September 30, 2011 5:19 PM - DeLepp
"Delepp, $15 per :-) How else do you think Dave could afford to go with such a low ask on his house?"

Movin' on Up Well we're movin on up, To the east side. To a deluxe apartment in the sky. Movin on up. To the east side. We finally got ...

September 30, 2011 5:22 PM - dibs
I was on the east side. I went slumming in Brooklyn and met all of you.
September 30, 2011 5:23 PM - dibs
DeLepp, did you see my "island boy" that I posted early in the day???
Edited at September 30, 2011 5:23 PM
September 30, 2011 5:24 PM - CGar
"I went slumming in Brooklyn and met all of you"

Funny, dave. I was just about to post, I met all of you, and I'm now I'm reduced to making amateur porn!
September 30, 2011 5:25 PM - CGar
DeLepp, my friend lives in the Jeffersons' building.
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September 30, 2011 5:25 PM - DeLepp
dibs, yes I did. Cute.
Edited at September 30, 2011 5:25 PM
September 30, 2011 5:26 PM - dibs
What distinguishes amateur porn from professional porn??? Surely who's behind the camera doesn't matter
Edited at September 30, 2011 5:26 PM
September 30, 2011 5:28 PM - DeLepp
dibs, think of the $$$ you are saving by not paying hush money to all those doormen.

Brownstone porn to skin flick is a short leap.
September 30, 2011 5:29 PM - DeLepp
In amateur porn sometimes the participants need to be told that their various limbs are in the way of camera.
Edited at September 30, 2011 5:29 PM
September 30, 2011 5:32 PM - CGar
"What distinguishes amateur porn from professional porn???"

Snappy as director and cameraman. Randi as editor. You, Arkady, Snappy and me as the "talent". Of the group, I'd say only you have gone pro, dave.
Edited at September 30, 2011 5:32 PM
September 30, 2011 5:38 PM - dibs
Well, I've never gotten paid for it. That said, a patron at Tawan Bar in Bangkok actually picked me up there once!!!!
Edited at September 30, 2011 5:39 PM
September 30, 2011 5:40 PM - dibs
Just passed Trenton
Edited at September 30, 2011 5:40 PM
September 30, 2011 5:52 PM - cobblehiller
"Just passed Trenton"

Wheee? : P
September 30, 2011 5:59 PM - dibs
Getting in to Philly soon. Have a good weekend everyone
Edited at September 30, 2011 5:59 PM
September 30, 2011 5:59 PM - Arkady
Oy! I just saw that sewer project on Berkeley that was over there >>>>>>yesterday. It's exactly what's probably going to happen on my block from that DEP notice: it started w/ the exact same kind of pot hole. Yikes! Can't possible devolve on a home owner - the whole street is dug up to a depth of about 15 feet! I tried to get the workers to tell me that if the pothole were in front of a given house the water must originate farther up the street but they wouldn't commit to it. Oy, oy, oy!!!
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September 30, 2011 6:01 PM - Arkady
You too, dibs!
September 30, 2011 8:10 PM - minard lafever
sewer repairs are suddenly happening all over Brooklyn. They were in front of my building for about three weeks.
I believe that same backhoe in the 'Stoner photo was on my block. This was the sequence: first they neatly cut the borders of the portion of the street that will be taken up with a rather noisy diamond saw. That only takes about a day. Next the backhoe comes in and scoops out the area within the cuts and dumps it into a large dump truck. Next they bring in the new red pipe sections, lumber, and steel. They make a sort of caisson with the timber in the very deep trench and then they pour concrete to make a sort of vault. then they replace the pipe, remove the timber, and fill in the trench. They finish it with ugly asphalt that I assume is a temporary pavement, they probably want to make sure no leaks occur in the new drains prior to re-paving. The whole operation took three weeks, I thought they were pretty good and fortunately we did not have any sort of catastrophic break or flood. It's infrastructure repairs. Gotta love it. I assume the permanent re-pavement will occur within a month or two.



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September 30, 2011 8:13 PM - petebklyn
where'd everyone go? I was thinking about a manhattan all day and made one and just sat down. perfect manhattan with rye, nobody mentioned the bitters and lemon twist.
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:13 PM
September 30, 2011 8:18 PM - minard lafever
I mentioned the bitters.

September 30, 2011 8:26 PM - etson
I think Dave knows a few backhoes

Edited at September 30, 2011 8:26 PM
September 30, 2011 8:26 PM - petebklyn
oh, I thought you were talking about the PLUSAs
September 30, 2011 8:30 PM - Arkady
minard - The cut is in the middle of the street, right? What's that normally paved w/ if not asphalt/tarmacadam?
September 30, 2011 8:34 PM - minard lafever
Arkady, they made the cut near the center of the street, not in the exact center. They also had to dig up a small portion of sidewalk. They repaved with rough asphalt but will need to return and do the permanent paving with macadam over concrete.

Edited at September 30, 2011 8:34 PM
September 30, 2011 8:42 PM - Arkady
Ahh. The one on Berkeley is dead center. The engineering is quite amazing. I really don't see how private home owners could possible be held responsible for the kind of work being done but that's what the notice I got seemed to indicate could be the case. Intuitively, it seems to me that the water source has to be farther up hill than my house & the tie-in from my household waste would occur before the midpoint of the street whereas the sinkhole is on the far side from me of the mid-point.
September 30, 2011 8:50 PM - minard lafever
Arkady I agree that home owners could not possibly be held responsible for storm/waste sewer repairs. That is municipal infrastructure. However, they may hold owners responsible for individual hookups if they discover these smaller branches are broken and leaking.

September 30, 2011 8:53 PM - Arkady
Well, needless to say, I hope it's a larger problem & the damage it has caused would seem to indicate that it is. This is the 2nd sinkhole in under a month in the same general area which is, as I said, more than half way across the street from me. Dumbo had his feather, I have my rationale.
Edited at September 30, 2011 8:53 PM
September 30, 2011 9:38 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! someone was moving out down the block and i scored a big sony trinitron tv!!!!! the best of the best of the old school CRT tv's that are a classic video gamers wet dream!!! (modern tv's do not do old school video games pre PS1 any justice visually!) i was using a 13 inch sony trinitron and now i have a big one! well not huge, but bigger!!! i truly believe there is a lot of karma in park slope when it comes to putting stuff out for free, just last night i put out a bunch of clothes and all was taken for the most part and the night before put out like 50 books and all were pretty much taken too! thanks, Universe!

*rob*

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September 30, 2011 9:39 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
and yes i vacuumed the HELL out of it and cleaned it and surrounded it with borax just in case... i thought it was worth the risk.


*rob*

September 30, 2011 9:43 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I assume the permanent re-pavement will occur within a month or two.

heh. good luck with that. they did the same thing in soho for the last year, but never put back any of the cobblestones on mercer (i think it's mercer. jesus been working there 11 years and still not sure what the block behind broadway is!? gack). i think it's mercer. and it doesnt seem like they plan to anytime soon they will be making it look like it used to.

*rob*



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September 30, 2011 9:45 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
that sucks arkady, but that's what happens when people pay like such LOW LOW LOW taxes on houses here in nyc. i guess it all evens out in the end. what would happen if you just flat out couldnt afford it tho?

*rob*

September 30, 2011 9:59 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Arkady I agree that home owners could not possibly be held responsible for storm/waste sewer repairs. That is municipal infrastructure.

if property taxes for single family homes were more in line with the cost of living, homeowners wouldnt have to pay for those kinds of repairs. of course their property taxes would be higher, but still. you cant have it both ways (and im hoping you dont have to pay anything arkady, im not trying to sound mean)


*rob*

Edited at September 30, 2011 9:59 PM
September 30, 2011 10:04 PM - Arkady
Thanks, rob. I was prepared to pay for repairs when I thought the pipes were a couple of feet below ground level but 12 or 15 feet is major trenching - not something a master plumber would possibly do for a private individual.
September 30, 2011 10:52 PM - jessibaby
rob, you still there? i have a question - need your opinion.
Edited at September 30, 2011 10:52 PM
October 1, 2011 12:50 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
im on facebook, jessi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqhd35MDs3I&feature=related

*rob*

Edited at October 1, 2011 12:50 AM