Tuesday Open Thread
September 27, 2011 6:38 AM - BoerumHillScott

535 comments
September 27, 2011 7:34 AM - DeadCatBounce
Over the weekend I went to the High School Fair at Brooklyn Tech. Every HS in NYC now has its own "brand"! Complete with a logo, merchandise and a fancy name.
It seems the worse the school, the more elaborate the name. Sort of like:
The School for International Commerce, Green Technology and Communication Arts.

#1
September 27, 2011 7:43 AM - rf
DCB, are you going through the high school selection process with your kid? Please let me know if you need any info. Been there, done that! Very tricky stuff.
Edited at September 27, 2011 7:43 AM
#2
September 27, 2011 7:58 AM - jessibaby
Didn't realize Christie had been a US Attorney. That means dude has federal govt experience in addition to executive. Fat boy's also got rich backers. And State school creds, which help paint the picture. Catholic better than Mormon. I wonder what he'll do. I bet he'd rip up Michelle obama's vegetable garden.
#3
September 27, 2011 8:08 AM - DeadCatBounce
Yes RF. Kid wants to go to Stuyvesant or LaGuardia. The competition is off the hook!
I had to laugh when I went to the Bronx Science Booth because that is where I went to HS and it looks like nothing changed.
#4
September 27, 2011 8:11 AM - DeadCatBounce
Jessi, Christie would have to bend over to rip up the garden, and I don't think he could physically do it.
Both Bush and Obama are good athletes. Would hate to see an out of shape president.
#5
September 27, 2011 8:11 AM - BoerumHillScott
I think Christie has a great chance in 2016, assuming Obama wins next year.
Edited at September 27, 2011 8:11 AM
#6
September 27, 2011 8:15 AM - BoerumHillScott
Another good morning on the treadmill.

Somewhat typically, I kept trying to make excuses to myself why exercise was not a good idea this morning. Then I bitch slapped my lazy side and stumbled down the stairs to the gym.

Once on the treadmill, I kept playing mind games with myself - "keep up this pace for another 90 seconds," "you can slow down at the next quarter mile," and eventually I met my goal and kept going.
Edited at September 27, 2011 8:15 AM
#7
September 27, 2011 8:16 AM - dibs
I agree, Scott. I just don't know if the country could survive four more years of Obama. I'm sorry but he's left of anyone we've ever had. yes, he can move to the center when he really needs to but his ideology is way too far left for me. He also seems to not have his priorities in order a la spending so much time on his healthcare bill to the detriment of the economy and I'm also afraid he's going to set the US back on foreign relations.

I'm sorry I voted for him
#8
September 27, 2011 8:22 AM - jessibaby
Dave, I agree that spending a year on healthcare was probably not the best use of his time. But I'm not sure how he should have been spending it...With respect to the economy, what should he have been doing?
#9
September 27, 2011 8:25 AM - dibs
He should have orchestrated a fix to the mortgage market. The recent refi activity that came directly from the government (I know because I got one of the calls) was too little, too late. Payroll taxes should have been cut much earlier. These are simple and basic things. No one was focused on them.
#10
September 27, 2011 8:25 AM - More4Less
if Fat Boy doesn't enter, I'll begrudgingly go with Obama as I view him as the lesser EVIL vs the Repub candidates.
#11
September 27, 2011 8:28 AM - BoerumHillScott
Compared to the political climate of the time, I would consider both FDR and LBJ to be left of Obama.
In absolute terms, LBJ still may have been left, depending on definitions and rankings.

I think he will go down in history as a medicare president on most fronts.
I think his biggest legacy will be the huge ballooning of the deficit.
His other programs (including health care reform) are pretty middle of the road when compared to the creation and revision of large social programs in the past.

On foreign policy, he seems to have a pretty similar record as Clinton - continue existing policies and join in with Nato operations with air support when public opinion says to.
Edited at September 27, 2011 8:28 AM
#12
September 27, 2011 8:32 AM - jessibaby
Well there were refi plans introduced much earlier. The fact that they werent very effective had more to do with he banks than the federal govt from what I can recall.
Getting rid of the payroll tax takes a few hours... What else?!
Edited at September 27, 2011 8:32 AM
#13
September 27, 2011 8:38 AM - dibs
All the refis should have just been flowed through FNM. Very simple...offer everyone a 4.5% mortgage with no costs. that's what I was offered.
Edited at September 27, 2011 8:38 AM
#14
September 27, 2011 8:43 AM - jessibaby
How would that have worked for those underwater?
Edited at September 27, 2011 8:43 AM
#15
September 27, 2011 8:44 AM - dibs
Not available for underwater.
#16
September 27, 2011 8:45 AM - More4Less
JB, it wouldn't as who the F wants to continue paying (even if just principal) on something that's hugely under water and optimism of appreciation is super low
#17
September 27, 2011 8:45 AM - Biff Champion
Helen Thomas had nothing on Jessi!
#18
September 27, 2011 8:46 AM - More4Less
DIBS, you think we coasting to good times if McCain/Palin won the election?
#19
September 27, 2011 8:47 AM - dibs
No way to know, m4l. I know he wouldn't have spent his first year on a contentious health care bill that has caused nothing but uncertainty and frustration for businesses

Edited at September 27, 2011 8:47 AM
#20
September 27, 2011 8:47 AM - BoerumHillScott
On the mortgage mess, I'm pretty libertarian.

I think the whole system should have been allowed to crash and start over again in a more sane position.
Edited at September 27, 2011 8:47 AM
#21
September 27, 2011 8:50 AM - Biff Champion
"I think the whole system should have been allowed to crash and start over again in a more sane position."

That's how I feel about my body and mind on some weekends.
Edited at September 27, 2011 8:50 AM
#22
September 27, 2011 8:52 AM - jessibaby
If those kids on wall street had a clue, they'd be pushing for the buffet tax. Wall street needs to exist to keep world economy going. But the workers there need not take home all that cash.
#23
September 27, 2011 8:52 AM - dibs
Not a viable option, Scott.
#24
September 27, 2011 8:52 AM - More4Less
DIBS, that's my point. Obama's performance vs what-could've with McCain is likely to be a discussion of lesser fuck-up's & disappointments but in no way should anyone be confident that it would've been mega rosey with McCain - cause both would be stumped by the political gridlock in congress
Edited at September 27, 2011 8:52 AM
#25
September 27, 2011 8:53 AM - dibs
All the jackasses in Washington need to know that $250,000 does not define a "millionaire and billionaire."
#26
September 27, 2011 8:54 AM - More4Less
Politicians really don't give an F about us peeps. they just focused on staying in office at all cost.
#27
September 27, 2011 8:55 AM - dibs
I heard the anarchists on TV last night. What a bunch of losers with their platitudes and talk of talking. None of them have a clue what they really should be focused on. Did you see the signs they were carrying. it could have been a Lifetime made for TV movie.
#28
September 27, 2011 8:56 AM - jessibaby
If people are really worried about the effects of regulation on business, they should be more focused locally, those are the more immediate hoops. Aren't businesses under a certain size exempt from the health care law anyway?
#29
September 27, 2011 8:56 AM - dibs
There are also way too many people gaming the unemployment system.
#30
September 27, 2011 8:58 AM - More4Less
JB, think it's 24 employees it the cutoff. I know a bunch of small biz operators who have 30 to 45 employees who split or thinking of splitting the biz into two to circumvent the requirement to provide healthcare.
#31
September 27, 2011 8:59 AM - Legion
I have zero respect for "anarchists"
it takes absolutely no thought to destroy since
entropy is the general direction of the universe.

Anarchists are the societal equivalent of radioactive decay.
#32
September 27, 2011 8:59 AM - BoerumHillScott
I think the biggest gaming of the system by individuals happens with social security disability and medicaid.
If you can find the right doctor, you have a check for life, plus happy pills.
#33
September 27, 2011 9:00 AM - BoerumHillScott
Legion, I agree 100% with your comments on anarchists.
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:00 AM
#34
September 27, 2011 9:00 AM - More4Less
Legion, I think I hurt my neck & back seriously where I can't work any more. Can I have an appointment with you to certify that?

Scott, thanks for that idea
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:00 AM
#35
September 27, 2011 9:01 AM - dibs
I think the Transit Workers Union holds classes on how to scam disability.
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:01 AM
#36
September 27, 2011 9:01 AM - Biff Champion
"All the jackasses in Washington need to know that $250,000 does not define a "millionaire and billionaire.""

In most places outside of New York and a few other big cities, $250,000 is actually worth something. $250,000 in New York is probably the equivalent of 10 times that amount elsewhere. For example, I'm guessing a $1MM apartment in NYC would go for $50K or (much) less in Detroit.
#37
September 27, 2011 9:02 AM - jessibaby
Unemployment basically paid for by employers. Money states borrow from the federal govt has to be paid back either by states or by employers. Employers who fire more, pay more. Not a bad way to get money into te hands of people who actually spend it.
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:02 AM
#38
September 27, 2011 9:03 AM - More4Less
Christie
Christie
Christie
2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#39
September 27, 2011 9:04 AM - Legion
Instead of spending an entire year tearing the country apart politically by passing a massive entitlement against bipartisan opposition,
the President could have actually consulted the doctors that treat patients in this country and found out how to actually fix medicine.

Instead he chose the path of least resistance avoiding both the Lawyer lobby which is the linchpin of Washington and the inevitable battle with unions.

He opted, instead, to pursue a policy based in an ideological premise of redistribution which is not only a proven failure but antithetical to the free market system which supports this nation.
#40
September 27, 2011 9:05 AM - BoerumHillScott
Unemployment insurance also has a time limit on it, so any scams are relatively short lived.
#41
September 27, 2011 9:06 AM - More4Less
Legion, who are you endorsing for '12?
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:06 AM
#42
September 27, 2011 9:07 AM - CGar
"Politicians really don't give an F about us peeps. they just focused on staying in office at all cost."

I agree completely. Sad thing is, it wasn't always this way.
#43
September 27, 2011 9:07 AM - dibs
Scott, the unemployment scamming I'm referencing is oftentimes short lived but recurrs every year by the same people. Countless examples of it, even a lot on broadway!!!!!!
#44
September 27, 2011 9:07 AM - Biff Champion
Legion, what are your thoughts on euthanasia?

And please don't tell me you think they should stay away from DIBS.


Edited at September 27, 2011 9:07 AM
#45
September 27, 2011 9:09 AM - Legion
ha ha m4l,

You'd be surprised how many people ask for weeks off due to a recalcitrant pain only to come running back for a note to go back to full duty when the boss puts their job on the line.
That being said,
Americans don't get enough vacation time.
#46
September 27, 2011 9:10 AM - CGar
Am I the only one who's figured out that m4l wants Christie for President because he knows there will be federally-mandated brownies?
#47
September 27, 2011 9:11 AM - Biff Champion
Recalcitrant pain = carpel tunnel syndrome from over use of a numerical keypad?
#48
September 27, 2011 9:13 AM - More4Less
CGar, your towel is not low enough. drop it a few more inches so we can determine how many inches is there
#49
September 27, 2011 9:15 AM - dibs
I think that towel started out as a caftan. He is striking a rather gay pose don't you think???
#50
September 27, 2011 9:15 AM - Legion
m4l,
I'm undecided on my first choice. Romney seems like the safe choice, Perry needs to check himself a bit and needs a strong intervention by his handlers.
On the second tier Huntsman is very reasonable and solid but has yet to gain traction, his entry into the race should have been bolder. Cain and Johnson as well.

biff,
I'm for euthenasia.

Edited at September 27, 2011 9:15 AM
#51
September 27, 2011 9:17 AM - Legion
err,
euthanasia.

#52
September 27, 2011 9:22 AM - dibs
Another big train collision in China. This time a subway in Shanghai.
#53
September 27, 2011 9:22 AM - Biff Champion
"biff,
I'm for euthenasia."

I am too. Since we found something we agree on, now what? Punfest?
#54
September 27, 2011 9:23 AM - Legion
biff,
math puns aren't even tangential to the discussion at hand.
#55
September 27, 2011 9:24 AM - Legion
dibs,
If you were to sell the place this year,
would you really stay and rent?
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:24 AM
#56
September 27, 2011 9:25 AM - dibs
Yes, Legion.
#57
September 27, 2011 9:25 AM - Biff Champion
"Another big train collision in China. This time a subway in Shanghai."

DIBS, didn't you get your caboose rammed in Nanyang?


Edited at September 27, 2011 9:25 AM
#58
September 27, 2011 9:26 AM - Biff Champion
^^^^^^^^^^^^
by many wangs....
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:26 AM
#59
September 27, 2011 9:26 AM - CGar
"Cain and Johnson"

I thought his brother's name was Abel.
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:26 AM
#60
September 27, 2011 9:27 AM - dibs
Also, after I sell the house I'll be on a three week trip through Asia.
#61
September 27, 2011 9:28 AM - More4Less
DIBS, rent a duplex so you don't have to get rid of or store a ton of your current stuff
#62
September 27, 2011 9:29 AM - dibs
m4l, the move is going to be a hassle. I'll be sending some stuff to PA and some to MA, getting rid of a lot and just furnishing a one bedroom with the remainder.
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:30 AM
#63
September 27, 2011 9:29 AM - Biff Champion
"Also, after I sell the house I'll be on a three week trip through Asia."

Will you be bringing a lot of baggage?
#64
September 27, 2011 9:29 AM - DeadCatBounce
The Obama Health Insurance Mandate is so tragically flawed that even the most radical supporters of universal healthcare should be distancing themselves from the plan.
Insurance companies are going to make a fortune by being the controlling force in healthcare.
Doctors will be forced to not develop the best treatment plans to contain cost.
Patients will be put on the back burner and treated like cattle.
And Americans as a whole will be less healthy not more healthy.
The plan stinks!!!
#65
September 27, 2011 9:32 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
It seems the worse the school, the more elaborate the name.

yes, ive made that observation many time. and whole uber branding of schools teaches an awful message.

*rob*

#66
September 27, 2011 9:34 AM - BoerumHillScott
Nice market jump at open, as well as big gain for SLV.

I'm quite glad I decided to buy some SPY calls when everyone was crying doom and gloom last week, although I wished I had cashed out my ZSL (short silver) position.
#67
September 27, 2011 9:39 AM - More4Less
Scott, I'm just hanging out on sidelines drinking my corona. Mkt too unpredictable for me.
#68
September 27, 2011 9:41 AM - petebklyn
bronx science seems to be having lot of issues these days. sounds like everyone is upset.
#69
September 27, 2011 9:42 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Americans don't get enough vacation time.

i never wind up using my vacation days (we get 3 weeks) and since they don't roll over i lose them for being a loser.

*rob*

#70
September 27, 2011 9:43 AM - dibs
I think people who don't take their vacation time shouldn't be allowed to complain about anything else.
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:43 AM
#71
September 27, 2011 9:44 AM - petebklyn
"Insurance companies are going to make a fortune by being the controlling force in healthcare.
Doctors will be forced to not develop the best treatment plans to contain cost.
Patients will be put on the back burner and treated like cattle.
And Americans as a whole will be less healthy not more healthy."
This was all true before the bill passed.
#72
September 27, 2011 9:45 AM - More4Less
Rob, that is bad. not using vacation time that you've earning is like cutting off own toes. How many days do you have left to spend for this year?
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:45 AM
#73
September 27, 2011 9:46 AM - Legion
*rob*
Not taking your vacation time?
That's like working at Wendy's and not snacking on the chicken nuggets!


#74
September 27, 2011 9:46 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i mean i dont use them all. i use some of them.

*rob*

#75
September 27, 2011 9:47 AM - petebklyn
looks like they caught the holdup guy in ft greene.
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:47 AM
#76
September 27, 2011 9:48 AM - Legion
pete,
what's going on at Bronx Science?
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:48 AM
#77
September 27, 2011 9:50 AM - jessibaby
Hey Rob, here's an idea - why don't you ask to change up your compensation: ask for one week of vacation and an increase in salary to account for the two weeks you've earned but will no longer be taking.
#78
September 27, 2011 9:51 AM - petebklyn
seems like lot of experienced teachers leaving because of principal.
#79
September 27, 2011 9:51 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Rob, that is bad. not using vacation time that you've earning is like cutting off own toes. How many days do you have left to spend for this year?

i think ive only used 2 or 4 out of the 15 so far this. actually two, i just looked on my paystub and as of thise year only used 16 vacation hours. which is 2 days. im really lame.


*rob*

#80
September 27, 2011 9:51 AM - Deleted
"I think the Transit Workers Union holds classes on how to scam disability."

DIBS;

I was talking with a young guy a couple of weeks ago who belongs to the TWU. He told me that the biggest scam going on these days is "hearing loss". When conductors and motorman put in for retirement, they also claim a hearing loss disability due to working in the subways for 20 years.
.
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:51 AM
#81
September 27, 2011 9:52 AM - dibs
Do you get paid vacation, rob??? If so, foolish not to take it.


Edited at September 27, 2011 9:52 AM
#82
September 27, 2011 9:52 AM - More4Less
Rob, you need to schedule / request days off (from now to yearend) whereby you use all the remaining 13 days.
#83
September 27, 2011 9:54 AM - Arkady
Kids at Bronx Science don't seem to feel the impact - it's a personality clash mainly w/ one dept.
#84
September 27, 2011 9:54 AM - Legion
jessi,
*rob* could also try one of those apartment exchanges with someone in Europe. They have lists on craigslist.
All he would need is an inexpensive flight to Paris or Barcelona.

*rob* if you filmed the whole experience documentary style, you'd have a youtube hit.
#85
September 27, 2011 9:55 AM - jessibaby
Legion, keep dreaming. Unless Wasder makes it happen, which would rule.
#86
September 27, 2011 9:56 AM - Deleted
The hands-down winner for disability scams still has to be a guy I play poker with every week. He was on the FDNY and his last gig was as a chaffeur for the Staten Island borough commissioner. He's my age, appears to be in very good shape (no paunch, thin and well built) and smokes like a fiend. With that strenuous assignment, he got out on a 3/4 disability pension due to some heart murmurs, or so he says.
#87
September 27, 2011 9:57 AM - Donatella
I have hearing loss from STANDING on the platforms for 20+ years. Noise pollution is over 85 decibels. What is the decibel level of trains screetching around corners? I stick my fingers in my ears. I look lame but exposure to noise over 85 decibels causes permanent hearing loss.
#88
September 27, 2011 9:58 AM - rf
Lots of teachers leaving BxSci. Last year it was the math dept., this year social studies. They have had more than 10 times the turnover of the equivalent schools (Brooklyn Tech, Stuy). The principal is said to be the problem. DCB, if your kid is considering BxSci, I can send you links about it. I think it may be a lot like Tech during the previous principal's reign. It took Tech a long time to recover.
#89
September 27, 2011 9:59 AM - petebklyn
I think there was some bill passed not so many years ago where any heart problem of cop/fireman would automatically be considered service related. Not sure of specifics. (new york state)
Edited at September 27, 2011 9:59 AM
#90
September 27, 2011 9:59 AM - Deleted
From what I see, the MTA issues headsets to motorman and conductors to attenuate the noise. Not enough, I guess, according to the TWU.
#91
September 27, 2011 10:00 AM - dibs
"They have had more than 10 times the turnover of the equivalent schools (Brooklyn Tech, Stuy). The principal is said to be the problem."

How long does it take the school board to recognize this??? Throw the principal out. Just fire him/her.
#92
September 27, 2011 10:02 AM - DeadCatBounce
My kid does not want to go to Bronx Science because I went to Bronx Science and his mother has him convinced that everything I did, or will ever do, is terrible.
Anyway, he goes to a decent Jr High that also has a High School and he could almost certainly continue there.
Although he would have to apply.
#93
September 27, 2011 10:05 AM - rf
DCB, if you would like to discuss the whole high school thing, email me: robyf at aol. We have a lot of friends all over the city at all kinds of schools (and there are actually some good schools with long names like the High School of Math, Science and Engineering at City College) and it's just a couple of years since we went through it. If your kid is even vaguely interested in Tech, my daughter would be happy to talk/text/facebook with him about it. She's in the Gateway to Medicine program (the only 4-year major) and she's very happy there. She scored almost high enough to get into Stuy but was not interested. Also tons of friends at La Guardia. What is his area of interest there?
#94
September 27, 2011 10:06 AM - More4Less
when I went to Tech, Tech was so so vs Stuy and Bx Sci were stellar. biggest issue for Bx Sci was the commute was a bitch from queens, BK, lower Man
#95
September 27, 2011 10:06 AM - MontroseMorris
"'Insurance companies are going to make a fortune by being the controlling force in healthcare.
Doctors will be forced to not develop the best treatment plans to contain cost.
Patients will be put on the back burner and treated like cattle.
And Americans as a whole will be less healthy not more healthy.'
This was all true before the bill passed."

Thank you, Pete.

Not to mention that the bills, as presented, would have changed healthcare for the better. After the House and Senate got through chopping, adding, deleting, delaying, redacting, changing, and working for their handlers in the insurance and other related industries, the bill hardly resembles what Obama proposed in the first place.

I still say that he went after health care first for two very good reasons. 1, it eats up federal and state budgets, and trimming costs, and getting everyone covered ideally would have reduced costs up and down the line. No matter what socialized medicine would cost the nation, it pales in comparison to what we pay with a mishmash of barely functioning programs we have now, where there are no checks and balances for anyone, thievery runs rampant, and those without insurance end up not only unhealthy, but dead, dying or in need of more expensive care from the lack of medical help for treatable diseases. Expenses they can't pay that one way or another end up on a government budget.

2. It's the right thing to do. No one in America should be suffering from a treatable ailment, deciding if they should go to the doctor, or pay rent, buy medicine, or buy food. If businesses cannot offer insurance, and there are plenty that just can't, then there should be a national program that guarantees coverage. Yeah, socialized medicine. Decent health care should not be just for those lucky enough to have employers big enough to offer insurance. Too many people have fallen through the cracks. Preventative medicine costs less than treating people when they are too far gone.
#96
September 27, 2011 10:07 AM - Donatella
Subway appx 100 decibels. Earplugs reduce sound by 15-30 decibels. I guess I will continue to put hands over ears.
#97
September 27, 2011 10:07 AM - DeadCatBounce
No Principal could possibly be worse than the Principal of Bronx Science when I went there.
He was universally detested by the teachers, students and parents.
Everybody knew we were stuck with a moron, so we adjusted accordingly.
I remember people saying that the Bd of Ed put him there because he would be sort of neutralized in that environment.
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:07 AM
#98
September 27, 2011 10:08 AM - rf
Arkady, last year students we know had some problems with the turnover in the math dept, since problems there started a few years ago. What with all the AP and other advanced-level classes, it's tough to lose so many experienced teachers.
http://www.nytimes.com/schoolbook/posts/91-what-s-your-take-on-the-turnover-at-bronx-high-school-of-science
#99
September 27, 2011 10:09 AM - More4Less
Donatella, have you schedule a visit to get the car assessed for what damage, etc yet?
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:09 AM
September 27, 2011 10:09 AM - dibs
We spoke out about teachers in the 60s; why can't students do it now??? These people ought not to have jobs if they are that bad. FUCK THE UNION.
September 27, 2011 10:11 AM - Donatella
Hi M4L. Yes, I brought it in yesterday. The damage was 3600 dollars! They are fixing it now. I have to pay a deductible but they will abrogate the case and go after the responsible person's insurance company for my deductible.
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:11 AM
September 27, 2011 10:12 AM - rf
DCB, I went to Binghamton U. (aka SUNY Binghamton, aka Harpur College) back when dinosaurs roamed the earth. I thought it might be a good place for my daughter to consider but I figured she would just say, eeew, that's where my mom went! She did a 2-week program at a nearby observatory last summer and stayed in a dorm on campus and LOVED it. In fact it's been kind of hard to tell her that we should look at a wide range of colleges. She said, Mom, it's COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from when you went there! (But it's not.)
September 27, 2011 10:13 AM - jessibaby
"No matter what socialized medicine would cost the nation, it pales in comparison to what we pay with a mishmash of barely functioning programs we have now"

I want to believe this is true but just can't.
September 27, 2011 10:14 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
yeah vacation days are paid. a few years i decided to take 15 consecutive fridays off at the end of the year. that was kinda nice!

*rob*

Edited at September 27, 2011 10:14 AM
September 27, 2011 10:16 AM - bxgrl
I lived across the street from Bronx sci- the big white building next to the gray towers. On Paul Ave. DCB- did you growup in the Bronx?

Re hearing loss: the problem with people like myself who are extremely hard of hearing is that hearing loss is basically an invisible disability. Most people wouldn't know how profound my hearing loss is if I didn't tell them because I am expert at faking. After years of being embarrassed to tell people I can't hear them, asking people to repeat themselves till they get pissed, not wanting to constantly remind people I have a disability. hearing loss for MTA employees is a very real problem and I only wonder how many of you, if you suffer hearing loss yourself, will be so complacent about it?
September 27, 2011 10:16 AM - Arkady
Bing isn't as good as it used to be when my brother taught there.
September 27, 2011 10:17 AM - Donatella
Is it abrogate or subrogate? Don't know. My insurance co will get their insurance co.

I went to Catholic High School. A diocesean school for girls. Mean principal. Some good teachers. I studied Latin.
September 27, 2011 10:17 AM - minard lafever
The Anarchists are chanting on lower Broadway. The NYPD has them on a short leash but are letting them demonstrate.
How about Ray Kelly for President?

Edited at September 27, 2011 10:17 AM
September 27, 2011 10:18 AM - Donatella
Re hearing loss, that is why I can't believe that screetching noise is so accepted in subway. Yes, it is a big deal, hearing loss.
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:18 AM
September 27, 2011 10:18 AM - dibs
What are they actually chanting????
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:18 AM
September 27, 2011 10:19 AM - CGar
"The NYPD has them on a short leash"

Bondage on Broadway
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:19 AM
September 27, 2011 10:19 AM - rf
Arkady, I am not saying that I think my daughter should go there instead of MIT or an Ivy or Georgetown. But it is definitely worth considering. It is the most selective SUNY school and the smallest undergraduate population among the university centers (Bing., U. of Buffalo, Stony Brook, Albany). Lots of good stuff going on there. And definitely a bargain.
September 27, 2011 10:20 AM - minard lafever
Dave, I can't make out what they are saying.
I'm on a high floor.
September 27, 2011 10:21 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
bxgirl im very sensitive to your hearing loss as i have almost full hearing loss in my right ear and im not sure just how bad my left ear is. i had a bunch of operations on them as a kid and i punctured my right ear at one time with a sharp object :(
a lot of times i wind up just smiling and nodding if i cant hear someone


*rob*

Edited at September 27, 2011 10:21 AM
September 27, 2011 10:21 AM - Arkady
I was joking rf. I miss my brother.
September 27, 2011 10:22 AM - rf
Sorry Arkady! It must be really hard to lose a sibling.
September 27, 2011 10:23 AM - Donatella
This Wall Street occupation reminds me a little of the hard hat riots in 1970. Construction workers attacked student protesters of the Kent State shootings/invasion of Cambodia and Laos. The protest on Wall Street now is NOTHING compared to the chaos (and horror) of that time.
September 27, 2011 10:24 AM - Legion
Montrose,
It is a laudable goal to have universal healtcare coverage.
From the start of the debate we had approx. 87% coverage of the population.
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act seeks to bring that coverage level to approx. 93%.

The question is ; has all this disorder and upheaval in medicine been worth the 6% boost.
Especially when alternative routes were and still are available:

For example: the Health Savings Account/ Major Medical model
which places the choice of healthcare in the hands of the consumer and also rewards good health choices.

I know the administration has considered this a threat since they actually put provisions into the healthcare act to limit this HSA route.
September 27, 2011 10:24 AM - MontroseMorris
I also have no problem with police/fire/first responders having heart ailments attached to work disability. How in the world could they not? They are stressful jobs that put your heart at risk in numerous ways. I love how some people think these professions are a walk in the park, with those involved getting these great perks. There aren't all that many old firemen or cops around, percentage-wise. Think about that when grousing about their cushy perks.
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:24 AM
September 27, 2011 10:25 AM - Deleted
Bxgrl;

I did not state that there is no such thing as hearing loss and hearing loss disability. Rather, I was relaying the story of a young man I know (the son of a close friend) who recently started work on the subways as an electrician. He happens to be one of the most ethical young people I know. He told me about the scam that was going on, and knowing him, I'll take his word for it. He told me this situation in disgust, as this type of situation leads to the cynicsm that many people feel towards the municipal unions.

The other thing is that the TWU is able to get away with this scam despite the MTA making efforts to address the issue. Conductors, motorman and other subway workers are all issued heavy-duty headsets.

We all pay for this scam by way of subways that are filthy and under-maintained, due to the heavy cost of labor.
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:25 AM
September 27, 2011 10:27 AM - minard lafever
I think it is true that if Obama is a one-term president his main legacy will be healthcare reform. But there is also the fact that he gave the order to kill Bin Laden, that was a very courageous call.
His other major legacy of course will be that he was the first person of color to hold the office.
I just read that the Supreme Court is set to take up the case challenging the constitutionality of the health care act, specifically the requirement that everyone must buy insurance. So a lot will depend on that.

Edited at September 27, 2011 10:26 AM
September 27, 2011 10:27 AM - bxgrl
Jessi- hospital emergency rooms must treat you if you can pay or not. So do hospitals although they can toss you around from one to another. so people without insurance cast much more than those with, while those with are at the mercy of gatekeepers who basically decide if your procedure is going to be paid or not. There are aa million more reasons why our system is a big failure today but insurance costs are out of control and have been for some time. When a 10 minute ambulance ride costs 800$ and an emergency room visit where you sit for over 6 hours before a doctor even sees you $1800, ou can't tell me the system we have is better than socialized medicine. sure socialized medicine has it's problems but in this country the mem seems to be if you can't afford care, you should just die. that's the sickest thing i ever heard.
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:27 AM
September 27, 2011 10:29 AM - Arkady
A ConEd worker told me 10 years ago that union work rules made our bills more than double what they might be - things such as the amount of time allowed to get to & from the depot at start & end of day made it probable that a truck crew can do only one job instead of at least 2 in a day. A firefighter I knew had an accident at a motorcycle race but managed to get disability from work. etc, etc.
September 27, 2011 10:31 AM - bxgrl
I remember that rob. You and I do the same thing :) Have you thought about getting a hearing aid?
September 27, 2011 10:34 AM - Legion
Newsflash

The protesters on Wall Street are continuing to chant.
Reporters on the scene have made out their repeated mantra:

"No more puns"
"No more puns"
"No more puns"

various protesters are also holding up signs that read:
"Bring Back The What"
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:34 AM
September 27, 2011 10:35 AM - Deleted
There are stickers around my neighborhood that read "The Brooklyn What".

Could it be?????
September 27, 2011 10:35 AM - minard lafever
My father is very hard of hearing. He is expert on reading lips, you would never know. We spent thousand on hearing aids but he didn't like them. The problem with the hearing aid is that then he had to listen to people and they can be so annoying.
As long as people hear him he's not really interested in feedback.
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:35 AM
September 27, 2011 10:37 AM - jessibaby
“Jessi- hospital emergency rooms must treat you if you can pay or not.”

Does the federal govt pick up the tab? If not, then this is a new cost.

“But in this country the mem seems to be if you can't afford care, you should just die. that's the sickest thing i ever heard.”

According to your comment, they don’t “just die” they get treated in the emergency room. This situation should be changed as it’s not the best way to manage the costs. And if there is a way to pay for everyone to have rational and reasonable access to healthcare, OF COURSE, we should, but I just haven’t been convinced yet that this is possible.

September 27, 2011 10:37 AM - Legion
...you should introduce him to the OT then minard. ;o)
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:37 AM
September 27, 2011 10:40 AM - MontroseMorris
Legion, studies have shown that HSA's are not viable for much of the population for a number of valid reasons, most especially that they are great for young, healthy people who don't need to go to the doctor for much of anything anyway, and more expensive for everyone else. The tax breaks offered aren't enough to offset the cost for lower income people, and the deductables are very high, which leaves them in the same boat as before - going to the doctor, or paying rent. Not to mention that for a single person, a HSA with around $3500 is not a lot of money if you need constant meds or therapy or other ongoing treatment. Plus, these plans need constant watch by the patient. Some people are just not able to do the work involved in making the program work for them. They either don't understand it, don't have the time, or just aren't educated enough. Health Savings Accounts advocates propabaly also like the idea that Social Security should be a similar plan. It's absurd.
September 27, 2011 10:40 AM - BoerumHillScott
The MTA does use water to lubricate the wheels to reduce noise especially noisy curves, but with steel wheels and tight curves there is no real way to get rid of the noise.

Newer systems are designed with much wider curves, but it's way too late for that here.
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:40 AM
September 27, 2011 10:41 AM - bxgrl
Benson- nor was I accusing you of anything. But be aware, heavy duty headsets cannot totally prevent the problem and I have never seen a conductor wearing one. I don't know why that is. But one thing I have learned, people like myself and rob compensate for our hearing loss so that most people are not even aware. And I bet many MTA workers do the same thing- mostly because it can affect their jobs.
September 27, 2011 10:42 AM - DeadCatBounce
DonaT - Belated Happy Birthday. When you went to Catholic School did you wear one of those mini skirts?
BxGrl - I grew up on the upper west side.
Did you live near Harris Field - Where all the Science kids and all the DeWitt Clinton kids went to drink and get high?
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:42 AM
September 27, 2011 10:42 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
benson i see those stickers everywhere too. dh said it's a moonface band, not the real what
lol

*rob*

September 27, 2011 10:44 AM - minard lafever
There is no way we will turn the clock back on universal healthcare. It's just common sense to provide everyone, even people with existing conditions, with insurance. Young people don't think they need insurance, and for the most part they are right, but on the other hand there are accidents and there are bad illnesses that can effect the young. It is dumb not to have insurance.

September 27, 2011 10:45 AM - Donatella
A colleague of mine is deaf in one ear. I think maybe the other ear a little too. He won't get a hearing aid. It is really hard to communicate with him sometimes. He is also very tall, around 6'3" so it isn't like I can just talk into his ear. I would have to jump. A hearing aid is a tool. Sometimes I think people look at a hearing aid as some validation of their imperfection. Everyone has something. These are tools to facilitate communication and to expand a person's connection to their world.
September 27, 2011 10:46 AM - bxgrl
jessi- did you hear the whole brouhaha over Ron Paul and his comments on healthcare? And emergency room treatment is not a substitute for medical care. It's a one time stop gap til you can get to a doctor or they admit you to the hospital. Of course it's not the best way to manage health care but its fast becoming the health care management of choice for those of us who can't afford to get insurance. So my question to you is- if you don't think we are ready for socialized medicine, when will we be? And if not a form of socialized medicine, then what?
September 27, 2011 10:48 AM - Deleted
"There is no way we will turn the clock back on universal healthcare. "

Written as the wheels are coming off on the European social democratic model.

Stick around Minard. You're going to see a lot of things you thought would not come to pass.
September 27, 2011 10:50 AM - bxgrl
DCB- no- I went to Evander Childs. We were at war with DeWitt Clinton and our schools never got together . After a kid was killed at a football game in the 30's (I think it was), they took away our football team and any other team sports that we played vs DeWitt Clinton were closely monitored. I originally grew up more east- off of Boston Post Rd.
September 27, 2011 10:50 AM - BoerumHillScott
We've had a bastardized form of socialized medicine for a while in the form of emergency rooms laws and Medicaid.

I don't think to Obama plan was the right answer, but I think it will make access to medical care somewhat better.
Will it be worth the economic cost? That's a much harder question to evaluate and answer.
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:50 AM
September 27, 2011 10:50 AM - Arkady
I got (supposedly) terminal cancer at 26 - no insurance both because I was young & stupid & because I was in UK - but came back here for health care since in UK they hadn't been ale to diagnose the problem after a year of running up & down Harley St. Medical procedures & bills were the defining factors of my life for the next 12 years.
September 27, 2011 10:51 AM - Legion
Montrose,
That's why HSA/Major medical models are aimed at the young.
The reason insurance models work is that they rely on statistical analysis and natural trends.

Socialized healthcare seeks to impose unsustainable mandates and expenditures without regard for existing trends.
What's more, in it's current form it works against the existing free market healthcare structure.

In short, can't have socialized healthcare without a socialized society.
September 27, 2011 10:52 AM - jessibaby
Yes, Bx, I heard the Ron Paul thing.

“So my question to you is- if you don't think we are ready for socialized medicine, when will we be? And if not a form of socialized medicine, then what?”

My original comment was based on one point. I haven’t said that socialized medicine is not the best use of American tax dollars. All I’m saying is that I am not convinced that socialized medicine SAVES federal govt money. It’s the discrepancies on this point that I think makes people skeptical of the program. If I were selling it, I’d stick to Montrose’s second point, the moral one, unless someone can show in simple math how it’s cheaper to spend more money.

Edited at September 27, 2011 10:52 AM
September 27, 2011 10:52 AM - minard lafever
Already many of the top specialists in Manhattan will not accept any insurance. Many more will not accept Medicaire (mush less Medicaid).
I was told by my primary care doc some years ago that he would no longer accept my insurance plan, sorry, just like that. Go away. I found another doctor that did accept my insurance but it made me very aware of this troubling trend.
September 27, 2011 10:52 AM - More4Less
Rob, there's enough Fri's left in the yr for you chew up the remaining 13 vacation days. you should go schedule it. it'll put you into cherry (vs chary) mood
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:52 AM
September 27, 2011 10:53 AM - bxgrl
The least productive line of thought is one that is so stuck and inflexible that it can't see the benefits in certain aspects of socialism. We live in a combination of free market and socialism now and it's very true- the mix could be much much better. But it's unrealistic to think socialism has no place in a capitalist economy and capitalism has no place in a socialist one. Reality doesn't work that way.
September 27, 2011 10:54 AM - MontroseMorris
Even the Europeans get things right. They've been at it long enough. Benson, you are fortunate to have a good job with good health care that covers you and your family. How about imagining another family just like yours, but without that insurance, trying to make heath choices. You wouldn't want to be in that situation, why should anyone else be there, through no fault of their own? Universal health care is one of those things a society can do to make a difference in everyone's life. No, it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing.
September 27, 2011 10:56 AM - bxgrl
I agree, it may come down to making a moral point. But considering the way things aer going with political partisanship, moral points may not convince certain people. Sadly.

Minard- that happened to me too.
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:56 AM
September 27, 2011 10:57 AM - Legion
This article is quite informative about the response of a free market system to a socialized medicine concept:
It's a biased article, but it speaks the truth about doctors working today.
Doctor's are being asked to see more patients for less pay and more hours. What do you think doctors are doing in response?

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act never took into account the fact that marginalizing the doctors themselves in the process of healthcare reform would be subject to blowback.
Wait till those in healthcare get a wiff of the proposed cuts in the current jobs stimulus package. In it's current form it probably won't touch benefits for seniors so where will the savings come from?
Ans; cuts in reimbursments.

cue the mass exodus of doctors into early retirement.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/09/26/doctor-and-ama-split-over-contentious-issue-of-obamacare/2/
Edited at September 27, 2011 10:57 AM
September 27, 2011 10:58 AM - BoerumHillScott
I never got the fear of the term "socialist"

We living in a country where many aspects of daily life are socialized, some for 100-200 years or more.

I have certain philosophical viewpoints, but I try not to let them get in the way of what is practical.
September 27, 2011 10:59 AM - Slopefarm
The what was around yesterday over there, complimenting dibs' front door, then returning to throw eggs at it.
September 27, 2011 11:01 AM - minard lafever
benson, you are speaking like a reactionary; looking back to a more perfect day. The wheels are coming off the private banking system and equity markets. Universal healthcare in Europe will survive it all.
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:01 AM
September 27, 2011 11:01 AM - dibs
Minard, that situation is far less of a problem outside NYC. My MD did the same but I just switched to another one in his office.

NYC has lots and lots of rich people to pay MD bills so it's going to be far more prevalent here.
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:01 AM
September 27, 2011 11:03 AM - Legion
I don't mind the term socialist so much,
it's the idea that it can work that makes me annoyed at the waste of time involved when there is ample evidence of its failure in the long term.

Sort of like Hollywood constantly pushing Sarah Jessica Parker movies or Jennifer Aniston movies.
Stop the insanity!
September 27, 2011 11:03 AM - rf
What does it say about Brownstoner that they got rid of the OT but allowed The What to come back?
September 27, 2011 11:04 AM - More4Less
Slopey, excellent avatar and about freaking time
September 27, 2011 11:04 AM - DeadCatBounce
Minard - You are right that many docs don't accept insurance. I conclude from that, that Insurance Companies are a big problem for the medical community.
I have had problems with my insurance company as a patient.
One thing a lot of people agree on is that medical insurance companies create a lot of problems.
My question to you, is why hand over complete control of the medical system to insurance companies?
September 27, 2011 11:04 AM - MontroseMorris
Yeah, but legion not everyone is young and healthy, most of us may be one, not the other, and some of us are neither. To base statistical tables on a segment of the population that is hardly representative, and then build a program on it is patently absurd. Does no one use common sense? It's like basing our entire health system on the cast of a tv show, where everyone is young, healthy and beautiful. No one is unattractive, sick or older than 38. It may be fun to watch, but it's not reality.

Instead of worrying about stupid labels such as "socialist", how about practical labels such as "alive and well?" We've been living with a partially socialist culture for longer than you've been alive, and all of us benefit from it in one way or another. It's a part of our civilization and culture, and there is nothing wrong with it.
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:04 AM
September 27, 2011 11:06 AM - Legion
"...Even the Europeans get things right."

Montrose,
I'm submitting your name for this year's OT award for:

Most Imaginative Interpretation of Real Life Events
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:05 AM
September 27, 2011 11:06 AM - dibs
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"
September 27, 2011 11:06 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Who cares rf, it's dead over there anyway.
September 27, 2011 11:06 AM - Deleted
Minard;

Time will tell.

Here is a fact, however: Asia's growth in share of the world's economic output has come at the expense of Europe, while the US' share has held steady. Perhaps there are compnies out ther that want to hire pampered workers who get 5 weeks vacation, 35 hour work weeks and retirement at 55. Most companies I know, however, look to Asia for growth.
September 27, 2011 11:07 AM - minard lafever
Dave I know the situation of doctors not accepting insurance is more prevalent in NYC than elsewhere, but I live in NYC, so it is a problem for me.
September 27, 2011 11:08 AM - dibs
I'm getting pretty sick and tired of Obama's rant on the rich paying their "fair share." It's getting a bit old and people see through his bullshit......

The top 1% of income earners pay roughly 40% of all
federal income taxes and the top 5 percent pay
approximately 70% of the federal income taxes. On the
other hand, the bottom 50% of wage earners pay only 3%
of the nation’s taxes and even that is somewhat distorted
for the bottom 47% of American households pay no
federal income tax at all. They are net takers of money
from the system, while the top 53% are the net givers.


September 27, 2011 11:10 AM - boerumresident
Of course, the MTA's efforts now are probably 10-15 years too late to address the possible hearing loss of those retiring now. Of course, the MTA could try to challenge some of those disability claims, but in general that gets a pass in terms of labor relations.

My understanding is that labor costs are the same or even lower when compared to other world capital systems like the Paris Metro.

Also, the cars are relatively clean. Obviously if we tolerated a drop in the farebox recovery (i.e., increased non-swipe revenues for MTA) then there would be more funds to keep the stations and cars cleaner.
September 27, 2011 11:10 AM - Legion
"To base statistical tables on a segment of the population that is hardly representative, and then build a program on it is patently absurd. Does no one use common sense? "

MM,
I think you misunderstand,
the HSA model does not seek to abolish medical coverage for the poor or the elderly.
It seeks to address the large middle section of people who are healthy but don't carry coverage. It does this by using the system itself more efficiently and allowing all to benefit.
The biggest reason a 25 year old guy working and earning a decent living would give for not carrying insurance is that he doesn't feel he needs it.
The incentive to buy it through an HSA is that he can accumulate funds tax free while covering himself in the case of a catastrophic illness.
September 27, 2011 11:12 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Yeah Dave, but the top 1% also hold 40% of the wealth in the country while the bottom 40% hold only 1% of the wealth (or something like that).

There is no logical reason why people making over a million dollars a year don't have to pay more than people at the bottom. Either way they are still winning.
September 27, 2011 11:12 AM - Deleted
"Also, the cars are relatively clean."

Do tell!


September 27, 2011 11:12 AM - dibs
"My understanding is that labor costs are the same or even lower when compared to other world capital systems like the Paris Metro."

Sure, because France is a socialist state and they get 8 weeks vacation, etc, etc, etc

"Also, the cars are relatively clean."

NO, they are not compared to most of Europe and ALL of Asia. They are in fact, a pigsty.
September 27, 2011 11:13 AM - DeLepp
The one thing France got right is their subways cars, wheels are rubber so they are pratically silent.

September 27, 2011 11:13 AM - minard lafever
If a 25-year old gets pregnant, she and her partner will need health insurance. The cost of pre-natal and natal care in NYC is astronomical.
September 27, 2011 11:14 AM - dibs
"There is no logical reason why people making over a million dollars a year don't have to pay more than people at the bottom. Either way they are still winning."

Did you not understand the numbers??? THEY ALREADY DO.
September 27, 2011 11:15 AM - DeLepp
Buenos Aires subway is old and stifling, but the eye candy is superb.
Cleanest I've ever seen is Hong Kong, spotless.
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:15 AM
September 27, 2011 11:16 AM - Deleted
"The one thing France got right is their subways cars, wheels are rubber so they are pratically silent."

Yes, let's be fair. I'll give the French this point.

.
September 27, 2011 11:17 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Millionaires should pay more than they currently do. The country needs the money and they can afford to give more.
September 27, 2011 11:17 AM - BoerumHillScott
In general, the MTA's operations costs are similar or a bit higher than European and other U.S. cities, although it is difficult to compare to other U.S. systems due to the much higher volume of passengers.
The MTA's capital construction costs are higher than the rest of the U.S., and the rest of the U.S. is higher than Europe.

Asia is cheaper than both the U.S. and Europe for operational and construction costs.

One big problem that the MTA has is that improvements of the last 25 years were paid for with debt, and interest is now eating up around 15% of the MTA's operations budget. That number is only expected to grow as the MTA is moving forward with car purchases, station rehabs, new signal systems, and other improvements with no source of income to pay for them other than borrowing.
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:17 AM
September 27, 2011 11:17 AM - minard lafever
subway cars in NY can't have rubber wheels because the rats would eat them. ;-)
September 27, 2011 11:18 AM - Legion
...yeah the wheels are silent on French subways,
but I hear you pay for it by being forced to listen to old
Yves Montand recordings in the PA system. ;o(
September 27, 2011 11:19 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I really don't get what mr b is up to with these twitter posts of his. Now he is posting his own tweets about Portland bike lanes?
September 27, 2011 11:19 AM - Legion
ok
gotta go do something productive. :o(
September 27, 2011 11:20 AM - BoerumHillScott
Rubber tires also have higher maintenance costs and use a bit more electricity.
I'm not sure how bad the trade-offs are, but the vast majority of systems in the world larger than an airport circulator use steel wheels on steel rails.
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:20 AM
September 27, 2011 11:21 AM - Deleted
One more point about labor costs. My company (a division of one of the big Japanese names) is a social-democratic dream over in the home country. The workers, both white-collar and blue-collar, are provided with all of the items on the social-democratic wish list: comprehensive health care, subsidized housing for young workers, day care centers, retirement at age 60 - the works. The loaded labor rate for one of our factory workers in Japan is about $100/hour.

My division has 16,000 employees. 12,000 of those workers are now in China.


September 27, 2011 11:22 AM - minard lafever
Mr. B is emulating Curbed, who eliminated all direct posts, and substituted twitter and facebook comments. There is an advantage to twitter in that it limits the length of posts from the long-winded.
September 27, 2011 11:23 AM - DeLepp
dibs, how were the comments on your HOTD? Couldn't access the site last night. Which loons came out of the digital walls?
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:23 AM
September 27, 2011 11:24 AM - minard lafever
The DC Metro has rubber wheels and is very silent.
September 27, 2011 11:26 AM - dibs
DeLepp, the comments were incredible, even from skillman (who I often disgreee with) and even What. All very positive. I was actually hoping for more snark and vitriol!!!!!!!
September 27, 2011 11:27 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
The cost of pre-natal and natal care in NYC is astronomical.

only for those who can afford the baby they are about to have. for people who can't afford to be having that baby to begin with, pre natal care and natal care is FREE. tho, im not particularly against that really as the baby shouldnt suffer cuz people plan poorly

*rob*

September 27, 2011 11:27 AM - More4Less
now MTA claims IRENE put $110M hole in it's budget/projections:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/irene_blows_hole_in_mta_budget_moja36J8X1yAo8lniaFcoJ

wonder what will be the gap closure initiatives
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:27 AM
September 27, 2011 11:28 AM - dibs
LOL...I just got an email from the real What saying that isn't him commenting on brownstoner.
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:28 AM
September 27, 2011 11:28 AM - bxgrl
"Perhaps there are compnies out ther that want to hire pampered workers who get 5 weeks vacation, 35 hour work weeks and retirement at 55. Most companies I know, however, look to Asia for growth."

Yes benson, because it's ok for people to live like this: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-shocking-conditions-inside-chinas-brutal-foxconn-factory-2010-5

http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=367&catid=9&subcatid=60

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=11906

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec07/china_11-20.html

It's interesting to see you think American workers are pampered so I guess we can infer that you think Chinese workers are doing just fine?
September 27, 2011 11:29 AM - boerumresident
Love rubber wheels, but I can't imagine how much it woudl to take to change the system in NY to accomodate. (also, I think it is only 6 weeks, but there is nothing wrong with that as long as everyone gets roughly the same.)

Also, I read somewhere that some of the Asian transit systems (HK, maybe Singapore or maybe the new rail in Bangkok) have lots of cash to spend because they directly profit from the sale of the land along the routes (or at least new extensions) so capital costs get carried by the development associated with the capital expense adn tehre is even profits that go back into the system as a whole.
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:29 AM
September 27, 2011 11:29 AM - BoerumHillScott
DC Metro is steel wheels on steel rails, but it was designed with large radius curves so the wheels edges to not rub sideways against the rails to make noise.

I think the closest rail trainsit system that uses rubber tires is one or two lines in Montreal.


September 27, 2011 11:29 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
All very positive. I was actually hoping for more snark and vitriol!!!!!!!

okay. your living room looks like Easter barfed all over your walls hahahah

*rob*

September 27, 2011 11:31 AM - boerumresident
DIBS -- I only saw the HOTD this morning, and was surprised at the lack of snark as well. (Especially given the posting's intiail "refrain from criticism" followed by the wag of the finger to the "choices" in the kitchen.) Good luck.
September 27, 2011 11:31 AM - dibs
yes, boerumresident, they do. Throughout Asia, the subway and rail lines own a lot of real estate and rent out a lot of that to retail. Here we only seem to have the skanky magazine/candy/lotto/cigarette vendors in a few stations.
September 27, 2011 11:31 AM - minard lafever
now MTA claims IRENE put $110M hole in it's budget/projections:
-can you imagine if we were ever hit with a real natural disaster?
The City seems always to be teetering on the edge of oblivion.

September 27, 2011 11:33 AM - DeLepp
price per sq foot throught out world. NYC is relatively cheap, US really cheap.
http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2011/09/26/for-cheap-homes-dont-think-globally/


Edited at September 27, 2011 11:33 AM
September 27, 2011 11:34 AM - minard lafever
Boerum Hill: I recall the wheels being rubber in DC. They may be steel with a rubber cover, but what one sees is rubber. Where did you get the information that the wheels are steel on steel? Just curious.

September 27, 2011 11:37 AM - DeLepp
http://tiny.cc/yqakg

tinylink^^^
September 27, 2011 11:38 AM - bxgrl
How often do rubber wheels need replacing?
September 27, 2011 11:38 AM - dibs
Hong Kong and Tokyo have been more expensive than NYC for many, many years. Also condo taxes and CCs are more expensive and a renter always pays them.
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:38 AM
September 27, 2011 11:39 AM - dibs
I replace my rubbers right after I use them. I buy the 36 economy packs
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:39 AM
September 27, 2011 11:40 AM - BoerumHillScott
The $110 million MTA number includes all costs for all operations - subway, bus, LIRR, Metro North, and bridges/tunnels.

About half the cost is to replace the Port Jarvis Metro North line that was completely washed out in spots.
Another big chunk is from lost fare and toll revenue.
September 27, 2011 11:40 AM - Deleted
I didn't expect any nasty comments about DIBS house once it was HOTD. Lets face it, it's nice, well priced and it takes balls to talk so much shit on that blog for years and then post your house.
September 27, 2011 11:42 AM - dibs
U.S. State, Local Government Revenue Tops Pre-Recession Peak

Sept. 27 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. state and local-government tax revenue rose 6.9 percent in the second quarter from a year earlier, the fastest in five years, the U.S. Census Bureau said.
The increase marked the seventh-straight quarter of growth and pushed collections for the year ending in June to $1.33 trillion, exceeding the peak hit in 2008 before the full impact of the credit crisis rippled through the economy.

This is VERY encouraging.

This is why muni debt is such a good buy. Buy NEV with a 6.9% federally tax free yield.

Edited at September 27, 2011 11:44 AM
September 27, 2011 11:43 AM - minard lafever
rubber wheels or not, the shrieking and clatter of NYC subways is unique to our fair city. In DC and Montreal and Paris the trains almost glide into the station. In DC there are lights on the platform than blink to let you know the train is coming in because you can't hear it. The MTA runs a disgraceful system, there is no excuse for it.
BHR is an out-of-towner and does not realize yet that New Yorkers never have a good word to say about:
A: the weather
B: their landlord
C: the subways.

September 27, 2011 11:45 AM - More4Less
DH, don't forget that it is listed with Stoner so the Stoner supporters / OT Haters have to give some respect to Mr B's customer to not rock his revenue stream
September 27, 2011 11:48 AM - dibs
m4l, there's no extra fee to be HOTD.
September 27, 2011 11:51 AM - BoerumHillScott
Sorry for geeking out too much on transit stuff - it's something that interests me and I have researched a lot.

For an article on rubber wheeled transit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-tyred_metro
There are a bit more than, I thought (mainly in France and Japan), but many of those are airport circulators.

For an article on DC Metro cars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Metro_rolling_stock

If you are really bored, here's an article that includes some construction techniques used in Washington to cut down on noise.
http://www.acoustics.asn.au/conference_proceedings/AAS2004/ACOUSTIC/PDF/AUTHOR/AC040038.PDF
Edited at September 27, 2011 11:54 AM
September 27, 2011 11:51 AM - MontroseMorris
While Americans like to brag that they "don't need no stinking vacations", and have the lowest number of paid vacation days of all developed nations, we also have more stress induced ailments, more depression, more stress induced, work related violent incidents, such as "going postal", and for many, a lower quality of family life than your average European. Seems to me that a little bit more time off would do us well, and be more productive in the long run. In spite of the economic woes of some of Europe's nations, their mental and physical health is better. And that's not due to socialized medicine, it's perhaps due to taking the time to actually live.
September 27, 2011 11:51 AM - DeLepp
DIB's place is perfect. I don't understand Mr B and his kitchen comments. He doesn't seem to like any. Maybe he thinks it should be on garden floor with an old stove and bells for the servants.
September 27, 2011 11:55 AM - Slopefarm
Dibs, that's what we are doing right now with the fixed return portion of our (modest) investment portfolio. Nothing long-term; we just keep grabbing tax free munis and similar bonds on a short term basis and we are buying essentially small odd lots at better returns than if we bought larger amounts (investment equivalent of buying carpet remnants). As long as long term rates keep low, we just stay short term, mostly muni, and revisit as needed. It's enough to ensure a decent steady growth component amidst all the volatility.
September 27, 2011 11:57 AM - Biff Champion
Ice Cream Mascot Looks Like the KKK — Patrons Not Amused

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44686295
September 27, 2011 11:58 AM - Biff Champion
"Business is getting creamed..."

We need to recruit that person for the next punfest.
September 27, 2011 11:58 AM - BoerumHillScott
I tend to take a moderate stance on most issues, including complaining about things.

In the U.S., modern rail systems (built since the 1960s), like BART (San Francisco-Oakland), Atlanta, DC, and Los Angeles tend to be quiet, while old ones (NYC, Boston, Chicago, Philli) tend to be noisy.

The modern ones also cost many times over what the old ones did, no matter how you try to adjust for inflation.


I have a hard time hating on the subway here after using transit in Houston and Los Angeles.
For all of it's short comings, the system here goes to where people live and work, runs frequently, and and runs 24/7.
September 27, 2011 12:00 PM - More4Less
DCB,

according to this, your kid (if gunning for the BEST school) should be going to the 5th borough:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island_technical_hs_ranks_yyVAuUwWFSw4nKR2R2BGWO
September 27, 2011 12:00 PM - Arkady
24/7 is a BIG deal!
September 27, 2011 12:02 PM - minard lafever
MM: you are so right that the Europeans have far less day-to-day stress than we do. They don't sweat the stuff we have to. They know their children will attend good free schools, that they will get good free healthcare, that their parents will be taken care of, that their government is not looking for ways to make their lives harder but rather more predictable and steady. Right now, the problem there is unemployment, which is terrible thing, but everyone gets a stipend, no one will be homeless or hungry.
What will change in Europe I believe is the American-style banking systems, which has brought most of the countries to the edge of financial collapse. When times are good, the rich make out like bandits, when the times are bad the non-rich pay the price. It does not seem like a sustainable system in a democracy.
September 27, 2011 12:03 PM - minard lafever
"I tend to take a moderate stance on most issues, including complaining about things."
Well snap out of it!!
You live in NYC now. :-)

Edited at September 27, 2011 12:03 PM
September 27, 2011 12:08 PM - Biff Champion
From the article I posted.

"Perhaps most surprising is that store manager Liza Diaz, from Puerto Rico, claims she's never heard of the Klan. She can't even really pronounce the name, "referring to the white supremacist group as the 'Ku Ku Klan' without a hint of irony or sarcasm." Actually, she may be onto something. If Ben & Jerry's can have "Schweddy Balls", why not Ku Ku Klan? Pure vanilla riddled with nuts."
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:08 PM
September 27, 2011 12:08 PM - bxgrl
Well said, Minard @ 12:02
September 27, 2011 12:10 PM - More4Less
I like Hathaway and she looks good in taht Catwomen suit but I can't believe she was deemed he optimal choice for the role:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/anne_duds_purr_fect_fit_mcHDdaOkjVoVcd0XluY8XJ
September 27, 2011 12:10 PM - Slopefarm
BHS - I agree on subways. The biggest problem with the subway here is it doesn't go more places. Other than that, it is pretty good for what it is supposed to do. Paris Metro seems ideal in some ways -- shorter trains that run far more often, keeping wait times down and making conenctions less onerous in terms of travel time, and you really can get just about anywhere in the city. It is a much smaller city, however.
September 27, 2011 12:17 PM - BoerumHillScott
I think the subway in Paris is pretty similar to the subway in Manhattan in terms of coverage.
One big advantage of rubber wheels is that trains can break faster and therefore be run much closer to each other.

It would be very nice if more subway lines were built in NYC to cover more areas, but given the astronomical construction costs here I don't see any new lines or extensions beyond the 7 extension and Second Avenue subway happening in my lifetime.
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:17 PM
September 27, 2011 12:20 PM - petebklyn
I wouldn't expect any big gov't initiatives like extending mass transit in your lifetime either considering mentality of today's political climate.
September 27, 2011 12:25 PM - BoerumHillScott
In more MTA construction incompetence news, the East Side access project to bring the LIRR to a new station under Grand Central has been officially delayed another 16 months - to April 2018.
Construction for the current efforts began in 2006, although the tunnel under the East River was built in the early 1970s.

I have little to no faith in Americans to construct large capital projects in an efficient or timely manner.
This is especially true in New York, but is also a problem across the country.
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:25 PM
September 27, 2011 12:27 PM - Slopefarm
I don't expect more expansion, either. Smart to focus on increasing connections, like connecting R to Jay Street and B'way Lafayette to uptown 6.
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:27 PM
September 27, 2011 12:28 PM - Arkady
BHS - Being able to break faster is a detriment, an asset would be to brake faster.
September 27, 2011 12:31 PM - Slopefarm
Apparently, you do not observe Yom Kippur, arkady.
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:31 PM
September 27, 2011 12:32 PM - minard lafever
CH, I agree. The other consideration is whether the population will actually increase as forecast by the current Mayor and his City Planning Commissioners.
In general, The US is allergic to mass transit. I do not think any amount of coaxing by the government or goo-goos will convince Americans to ditch the car and hop on the bus, or -horrors!- the subway.
Not that long ago the words "New York City subway" was synonymous to most Americans with "mayhem and death." You all are too young or have come to the City to recently to recall that.
September 27, 2011 12:34 PM - dibs
Minard, circular logic. For the very reason that the young do not remember the subway of old is why the population of NYC will continue to grow as it has been doing.

There is already a shortage of rental units approaching.



September 27, 2011 12:35 PM - Arkady
Slopey - I don't observe any religious carry on (except the summer solstice when I plan to be married on the sacrificial stone at Stonehenge when I find my knight) - I just help others who want to.
September 27, 2011 12:37 PM - Arkady
minard - I'm neither young nor recent. Many people believe as I do that travel on an iron horse is a good thing since there's less likelihood of long, time-consuming & frustrating tie-ups.
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:37 PM
September 27, 2011 12:38 PM - CGar
I break fast...
September 27, 2011 12:38 PM - dibs
Arkady, you apparently don't use Amtrak very often as I do.
September 27, 2011 12:40 PM - Biff Champion
I break dance...
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:40 PM
September 27, 2011 12:40 PM - Arkady
No, dibs, more often NJT. Amtrak is ridiculously expensive - I have to go to Wilmington this weekend - fare down there is reasonable but I'm coming back on a bus rather than pay $96 to travel at a reasonable hour.
September 27, 2011 12:40 PM - dibs
LOL...the break dancing Jew....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-05pq1dd0U
September 27, 2011 12:41 PM - CGar
"when I find my knight"...
September 27, 2011 12:41 PM - petebklyn
notice the dais are getting shorter. good thing for cgar.
September 27, 2011 12:42 PM - Biff Champion
"For the very reason that the young do not remember the subway of old is why the population of NYC will continue to grow as it has been doing."

Population barely changed from 1950 to 2000. Just lots more foreigners and moonfaces.

1950 7,891,957
1960 7,783,314
1970 7,894,798
1980 7,071,639
1990 7,322,564
2000 8,008,278
September 27, 2011 12:42 PM - Arkady
Oh, CatGuard!!!!
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:42 PM
September 27, 2011 12:42 PM - BoerumHillScott
I think most young people embrace the idea of mass transit and an urban lifestyle, even those who still choose to live suburban lives.

Car dependent cities across the country, including Houston, Phoenix, and Los Angeles are in the middle of second or third generation light rail construction projects, and a small but growing number of people are moving into urban areas their parents or grandparents fled decades ago.
September 27, 2011 12:43 PM - Biff Champion
And as to the last 10 years:

New York City’s Population Barely Rose in the Last Decade, the Census Finds

"New York City’s population reached a record high for a 10-year census of 8,175,133, according to the 2010 count released on Thursday, but fell far short of the official forecast."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/nyregion/25census.html



September 27, 2011 12:44 PM - dibs
1970 7,894,798
1970 7,894,798
1980 7,071,639
1990 7,322,564
2000 8,008,278

The numbers couldn't be more obvious Biff. The decline from the 70s to the 80s and probably well into the late 80s obviously reversed by 1990 and grew dramatically to 2000. How much clearer could it be????
September 27, 2011 12:44 PM - CGar
Perhaps this is your knight...
September 27, 2011 12:45 PM - Biff Champion
Wondering why the population fell by over 10% from 1970 to 1980.

Is that when DIBS moved here?
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:45 PM
September 27, 2011 12:46 PM - BoerumHillScott
Biff, I think those growth numbers are good, considering that almost no new land has been added to the city, general society is demanding more square footage per person, and almost ever other large city of the 1950s has dramatically lost population.

The big thing that will keep NYC from growing is the high cost of new construction, including land costs, zoning/mitigation/regulatory costs, and actual construction costs.
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:46 PM
September 27, 2011 12:47 PM - dibs
Actually what keeps NYC growing is Wall Street. Suck on that, Anarchists!!!!!!!
September 27, 2011 12:49 PM - CGar
"Oh, CatGuard!!!!"

You tawkin' to me?
September 27, 2011 12:50 PM - petebklyn
in other words, dibs is saying we are sucking on the devil's teat.
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:50 PM
September 27, 2011 12:51 PM - CGar
I saw that Old Man.
September 27, 2011 12:51 PM - petebklyn
wasn't dibs, it was I who moved here in the 70's. Perhaps I started the trend in reversal of city decline in population.
September 27, 2011 12:52 PM - dibs
Only a Democrat would bite the teat that feeds him
September 27, 2011 12:52 PM - Biff Champion
This is what I call big city growth. But Scott, your points about finite land and the demand for more space per family are well-taken.

Las Vegas
2010 population: 1,951,269
2000 population: 1,375,765
Growth: 41.8%

Raleigh, N.C.
2010 population: 1,130,490
2000 population: 797,071
Growth: 41.8%

Austin, Texas
2010 population: 1,716,289
2000 population: 1,249,763
Growth: 37.3%
September 27, 2011 12:53 PM - dibs
Pete, once the rest of the world noticed the gays moving in they knew it was safe and prices would rise.
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:53 PM
September 27, 2011 12:54 PM - Biff Champion
M4L, bad news for us:

Chinese Women Keep Shopping Despite the Gloom

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44665617/

Edited at September 27, 2011 12:54 PM
September 27, 2011 12:55 PM - Biff Champion
"I asked a 20-something woman in the swelling crowd what the excitement was all about. She responded, “They are giving away free cooking oil if you add more phone minutes into your account.”"

Free cooking oil? Wok the heck?
September 27, 2011 12:58 PM - CGar
Don't stir the pot, Biff. I'm fried.
September 27, 2011 12:58 PM - dibs
Mu shu really continue with these puns?????
Edited at September 27, 2011 12:58 PM
September 27, 2011 12:59 PM - Biff Champion
"Mu shu really continue with these puns?????"

I'm shumai fellow PLUSAs don't mind.
September 27, 2011 1:00 PM - petebklyn
brownstoner messed up on biggest sales of week. repeated same sale twice and then listed a deed partial transfer from co-owner to other owner (usually those are divorce settlements).
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:00 PM
September 27, 2011 1:00 PM - Arkady
You're a little rap-scallion, Biffers.
September 27, 2011 1:00 PM - Biff Champion
CGar, har gows things?
September 27, 2011 1:00 PM - Arkady
rob's gonna be steamed!
September 27, 2011 1:01 PM - Arkady
There's a general tso what attitude today
September 27, 2011 1:01 PM - Slopefarm
More minutes? For cooking oil? That's it? They could at least have sautee new phone or app or something.
September 27, 2011 1:02 PM - Biff Champion
Arkady, how do you congee up such lines?
September 27, 2011 1:02 PM - CGar
Truth be told, Biff, I take a dim view of sum puns.
September 27, 2011 1:02 PM - petebklyn
I added up all my accounts and was a pretty dim sum.
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:02 PM
September 27, 2011 1:02 PM - Arkady
You're rice, Slopey!
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:02 PM
September 27, 2011 1:03 PM - Biff Champion
Is General Tso related to General Custard?
September 27, 2011 1:03 PM - Arkady
Soya bean o.k., pete?
September 27, 2011 1:04 PM - dibs
Just give me sum yung gai and I'll be very happy.
September 27, 2011 1:04 PM - Biff Champion
I can reach it standing up but I Cantonese.
September 27, 2011 1:04 PM - Arkady
General is so mo glorious.
September 27, 2011 1:05 PM - Biff Champion
DIBS, that was taroble
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:05 PM
September 27, 2011 1:05 PM - petebklyn
I've been kinda down in the dumplings since the speeding ticket, arkady.
September 27, 2011 1:06 PM - Biff Champion
Will Rob turnip his nose at us over this?
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:06 PM
September 27, 2011 1:06 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
NYC is definitely in some kind of moonface exchange program thus keeping the population pretty constant.

*rob*

September 27, 2011 1:06 PM - Arkady
Don't bang your noodle when you stand up!
September 27, 2011 1:07 PM - Biff Champion
Lotus never forget...
September 27, 2011 1:07 PM - Arkady
Here we go, frittering away a lovely day!
September 27, 2011 1:07 PM - dibs
I'm Longjing for a pun free day.
September 27, 2011 1:07 PM - CGar
Pete, you were bamboozled by that cop.
September 27, 2011 1:08 PM - Biff Champion
DIBS, did a mango home with you yesterday?
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:08 PM
September 27, 2011 1:09 PM - Arkady
Your new avatar suits you to a tea, CG.
September 27, 2011 1:09 PM - Biff Champion
Says who?

Sesame!
September 27, 2011 1:09 PM - petebklyn
moonfaces always been here, smurf, Just you notice them more now because they are younger than you are instead of older.
September 27, 2011 1:09 PM - Arkady
I agree that was terRIBle, pete.
September 27, 2011 1:10 PM - petebklyn
the cop was a beef jerky.
September 27, 2011 1:10 PM - dibs
I Lychee steal and am generally a bad man
September 27, 2011 1:10 PM - CGar
No Peking, Arkady, or I'll duck.
September 27, 2011 1:12 PM - Slopefarm
Speaking of Asian food puns, the Thai restaurant near me is called Watana (at least that's what the sign above the restaurant says), but when I looked at the take out menu, it is actually Watana Siam restaurant. Now, we all know what happens when you say Watana Siam quickly. My question is whether Watana actually means something reasonably dignified in thai and the restaurant's name is a coincidence, and, if not, whether the folks (host, wait staff, cooks) in the restaurant are obliviouis or in on the joke.
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:12 PM
September 27, 2011 1:12 PM - Arkady
Hadn't ocurd to me, CG/
September 27, 2011 1:12 PM - Biff Champion
Should one be firm with sea life or should one cuttlefish?
September 27, 2011 1:13 PM - dibs
I bean curdling for a long time. Now I want the real sex.
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:13 PM
September 27, 2011 1:14 PM - Slopefarm
Let's not lose our tempehs, ok?
September 27, 2011 1:15 PM - CGar
Don't be Koi, dave. Did you sea cucumber last night?
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:15 PM
September 27, 2011 1:15 PM - minard lafever
another punfest? Rob will be steamed.

Edited at September 27, 2011 1:15 PM
September 27, 2011 1:17 PM - dibs
Wattana is a very popular name in Thailand. I think it means cute.
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:17 PM
September 27, 2011 1:17 PM - dibs
I wonder how far my pea shoots?????
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:17 PM
September 27, 2011 1:17 PM - CGar
If *rob* can platter on about pu pu mist, we can pun.
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:17 PM
September 27, 2011 1:18 PM - Slopefarm
I'm bamboozled by your question, dibs.
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:18 PM
September 27, 2011 1:18 PM - dibs
CGar, Mai Fun last night was in bed.
September 27, 2011 1:19 PM - Slopefarm
Agreed, cgar. We certainly mei pun.
September 27, 2011 1:19 PM - Arkady
Watana seems to be the official Thai name of Siam/Thailand. It's also the name of a hydro-electric project in Alaska.
September 27, 2011 1:20 PM - Slopefarm
Well, that's sort of a jinx and sort of not.
September 27, 2011 1:20 PM - dibs
Lotus root around in the cobwebs of our mind for more of these puns
September 27, 2011 1:21 PM - Arkady
It's also a name of a town:
http://www.getamap.net/maps/thailand/(th45)/_watana/
September 27, 2011 1:23 PM - Slopefarm
Great puns, dibs. Take a bao.
September 27, 2011 1:23 PM - CGar
m4l, when do the Knicks play at MSG? Do you think they'll have the fortune to win this season?
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:23 PM
September 27, 2011 1:25 PM - minard lafever
Cgar, no MSG!


September 27, 2011 1:28 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
moonfaces always been here, smurf, Just you notice them more now because they are younger than you are instead of older.

lol i KNOW that. but ive never liked moonfaces. i guess im only using moonface as in the sense of where they came from. i.e. not cali/nj/or ny. deal with it.

*rob*

Edited at September 27, 2011 1:28 PM
September 27, 2011 1:29 PM - Biff Champion
"Cgar, no MSG!"

He was putting the cart before the horse.
September 27, 2011 1:29 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i cant even figure out what the theme of these puns is supposed to be :-/

*rob*

September 27, 2011 1:31 PM - Slopefarm
I expect Knicks will play .500 bao. Their season will be sweet & sour. However, the labor dispute is hoisining the chance we'll have a season at all.
September 27, 2011 1:34 PM - Deleted
If this punfest continues, I'm going to throw myself in front of an oncoming train. I don't care if it has steel or rubber wheels.
September 27, 2011 1:35 PM - dibs
benson, do you prefer Subway over a Chinese meal?????
September 27, 2011 1:36 PM - CGar
Sei no more, benson, and don't get steamed.
September 27, 2011 1:39 PM - ij
The head bosses are looking for a boss for the office with the least bottom line. Several people applied, but just now one of the bosses came up and took me aside asking me to put in for it. I'd only have to stay a year, she said. The commute would be kind of a pain, to Red Hook each day. But they'd owe me, a transfer to a more desirable place., which she said was how they filled them. "They're never advertised." Hmm, decisions, decisions.
September 27, 2011 1:40 PM - Slopefarm
OK, I'll stop with the puns, too, before benson tries to get mi banhed.
September 27, 2011 1:40 PM - ij
Oh, punfest, I'll rattan later.
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:40 PM
September 27, 2011 1:41 PM - dibs
Yeah, benson's getting pretty hanoi'd
September 27, 2011 1:43 PM - Arkady
So, you're stopping for the sake of peas?
September 27, 2011 1:46 PM - dibs
Won ton disregard for the peace of others shouldn't be tolerated here.
September 27, 2011 1:48 PM - rf
The only foreign language at Staten Island Tech is Russian.
September 27, 2011 1:51 PM - Arkady
Oy, stir the pot, dibs.
September 27, 2011 1:51 PM - minard lafever
Jester,
does the transfer involve a good raise?
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:51 PM
September 27, 2011 1:52 PM - dibs
Soy tainly, Arkady
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:52 PM
September 27, 2011 1:54 PM - Deleted
IJ;

Good luck!
September 27, 2011 1:55 PM - dibs
How bad is the commute to red Hook from where you live?????
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:55 PM
September 27, 2011 1:55 PM - ij
An okay raise, free time for stuff. I told he rI'd give it a good consideration.
September 27, 2011 1:59 PM - ij
Walk 20 minutes to catch a bus or take the R two stops to 9th St.
September 27, 2011 1:59 PM - minard lafever
jester the raise will need to be enough for you to buy or lease a car. Make sure they know that. A transfer from Brooklyn Heights to Red Hook is NOT a promotion unless it is accompanied by a good raise (and I don't mean 3%). Negotiate with them. Red Hook is a pit, they need to make it worth your while.
Edited at September 27, 2011 1:59 PM
September 27, 2011 2:01 PM - ij
Catch the bus on 9th St., I meant. The plus is once I'm in the title, the next opening I want, is mine, more or less.
September 27, 2011 2:03 PM - minard lafever
So it's a civil service title promotion? That is a good thing.
Do you drive? You really need a car to get back and forth from Red Hook like a decent person.

Edited at September 27, 2011 2:03 PM
September 27, 2011 2:04 PM - DeadCatBounce
Of course you should do it, IJ.
September 27, 2011 2:07 PM - dibs
The question is, if you don't do it will you get passed over in the future?
September 27, 2011 2:07 PM - ij
I would feel comfortabl there; it's just boring sometimes although I have other work stuff I need downtime for. The commute and inertia are my objections.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:07 PM
September 27, 2011 2:09 PM - Slopefarm
Um, jester, is there now a bit more info about where you work out there in this thread than you are comfortable with? I notice you have been careful not to say on blogs what kind of not for profit you work for, though some of us know from conversation with you.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:09 PM
September 27, 2011 2:10 PM - dibs
I have no idea where he works.
September 27, 2011 2:10 PM - Arkady
Jester - Can you use the bus that goes to Ikea? I saw that the other day w/ connection at 9th St & 7th Av so you could take the 7th Av bus across.
September 27, 2011 2:10 PM - minard lafever
the question is are they taking advantage? If there is a title promotion with a good raise, then he should do it. If not, then he should be coy, negotiate, see what they come up with.


Edited at September 27, 2011 2:10 PM
September 27, 2011 2:11 PM - Deleted
Whoops - I'm sorry about that. Please delete my post, if IJ requests.
September 27, 2011 2:11 PM - ij
Who knows, Dave; was planning to stay in PS for a long while as a nobody so haven't planned for any big jump lately. One of the people they passed over works here too.
September 27, 2011 2:12 PM - ij
Yeah, please delete that, I prefer to not say.
September 27, 2011 2:13 PM - ij
This is how people get in the dance for sweet gigs here; do time at "unpleasant" places. Just Wasn't so sure about joining the dance so soon.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:13 PM
September 27, 2011 2:14 PM - BoerumHillScott
I just deleted a few posts.

Congrats, IJ.

I would take the job and use the extra commute time to catch up on music and reading.
September 27, 2011 2:14 PM - dibs
Roubini is calling for a recession, again. So far he's predicted 3-4 of them and we've had one.
September 27, 2011 2:15 PM - ij
Arkady - never been and have heard of that. I will check it out. Anyway, this is enough advice, thanks everyone.
September 27, 2011 2:15 PM - Slopefarm
Hey, benson. It gets more difficult all the time to maintain the line for each of us what we've shared on line vs. only face to face. For example, I hope I've managed to keep secret whether I am, in fact, a farmer, but I'm not so sure I've done that. And as for you, I really am not sure whether you are Robert Moses or if that is just your avatar.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:15 PM
September 27, 2011 2:15 PM - CGar
"This is how people get in the dance for sweet gigs here; do time at "unpleasant" places."

True. I've been waiting to be promoted to a better blog for years.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:15 PM
September 27, 2011 2:16 PM - petebklyn
sounds more fun to put out for the job then to put in for it.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:16 PM
September 27, 2011 2:16 PM - Deleted
a bike would be handy to get to red hook. not sure the daily hassle of parking in park slope is worth getting a car
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:16 PM
September 27, 2011 2:17 PM - dibs
I've put out many times, Pete.
September 27, 2011 2:17 PM - Slopefarm
"True. I've been waiting to be promoted to a better blog for years."

But you were. Or haven't you noticed? (Toto, I don't think we're on brownstoner any more.)

September 27, 2011 2:17 PM - DeLepp
ij, congrats. Think of all the fresh key lime pie you can consume in RH. Plus the clanging of the bells in the water is theraputic.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:17 PM
September 27, 2011 2:18 PM - Arkady
I agree, dh. Car in the Slope is a major hassle.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:18 PM
September 27, 2011 2:18 PM - DeadCatBounce
I still look at the NY Times RE for sale listings and it looks to me like asking prices in Bklyn are starting to go up. Anyone else?
September 27, 2011 2:20 PM - petebklyn
starting?...seems to me they have been for last year and a half. rents and sales.
September 27, 2011 2:21 PM - Arkady
A house across the street from me listed last week in Open House column elsewhere for $3.3 - it was the first place on this block to go over a million & that was about 12 years ago. A few doors down, one sold for$2.4 a few months back & had most recenlty gone for $1.4 about 5 years ago. (Mind you, that one had had major work done. The new one not so much.)
September 27, 2011 2:21 PM - petebklyn
new name-No Park Slope.
September 27, 2011 2:22 PM - ij
It is a title promotion, Minard. Thanks again, everyone. I told her I'd ask people I know are good at advice.
September 27, 2011 2:22 PM - BoerumHillScott
For condos, sales prices seem to be steady for the last 18 months, probably because of the amount of inventory that has come online in the 4th Avenue and Downtown areas.

Rents seem to be up a bit.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:22 PM
September 27, 2011 2:22 PM - dibs
Well, it would make sense given such extremely low inventory and historic low interest rates. At rates of 4.2%, you can finance an extra $100,000 for $350 a month!!!!!!!!
September 27, 2011 2:26 PM - Biff Champion
Jester, we might have the same boss. Telling you that transferring from BK Heights to Red Hook is a step up and in a year, you may go places...

J/k, I'm sure it's a good thing in your case. Congratulations and best of luck with it!
September 27, 2011 2:26 PM - Deleted
I've noticed that in the past month, ground has been broken on two big lots on 4th Ave that are near me. One is on the corner of 4th Ave and 6th Street, and it is a decent size lot. They been digging the foundation for about 1 month now. Just yesterday I noticed that activity has resumed on a much larger lot that encompasses the entire block front of 4th Ave between 5th and 6th Street.

I think 4th Ave in Park Slope will be pretty much transformed in about 10 years' time.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:26 PM
September 27, 2011 2:27 PM - Biff Champion
"I told her I'd ask people I know are good at advice."

So WTF are you doing here?? :-)
September 27, 2011 2:29 PM - Arkady
Oy! I just got an advisory from my HS alma mater saying that there's an elevator to the 3rd floor where the dinner's being held. Should I prepare to be seeing a bunch of old farts who can't go up 3 sets of stairs?
September 27, 2011 2:31 PM - CGar
Wait until they see that your pool is the Fountain of Youth.
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:31 PM
September 27, 2011 2:33 PM - Arkady
Thinking of taking my last dip today, CG. Water's 70°, though.
September 27, 2011 2:34 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I think 4th Ave in Park Slope will be pretty much transformed in about 10 years' time.

the slower that happens the better. there's only like ONE real bodega left and it's all the way by the R train union stop!!!!! also i cant believe people are telling you to get a car to commute from park slope to red hook, (to jester)
cant you take car service? it's not that far

*rob*

September 27, 2011 2:34 PM - CGar
Why close the pool? Who knows how many more unseasonably warm days we may have?
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:34 PM
September 27, 2011 2:38 PM - Biff Champion
This place is located in the town I'm going to this weekend. I have a feeling our friend's place isn't quite as spacious...

http://www.sothebyshomes.com/hamptons/sales/0055063
September 27, 2011 2:38 PM - dibs
Arkady, still very humid. I'd keep that pool open another week or so.
September 27, 2011 2:40 PM - Biff Champion
If one is on a budget, there is always this:

http://www.sothebyshomes.com/hamptons/sales/0044862
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:40 PM
September 27, 2011 2:40 PM - CGar
A last look at Arkady's pool for the season...
September 27, 2011 2:41 PM - Biff Champion
I think Snark might keel over if he saw the amount of marble in this bathroom from the first link
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:41 PM
September 27, 2011 2:41 PM - dibs
Both of those places too gaudy for me. I'd want a nice shingle style with some turn of the century detail, not all that marble and gold.
September 27, 2011 2:42 PM - dibs
OMG, that bathroom is a disaster.
September 27, 2011 2:43 PM - Biff Champion
That bathroom would make the Real Housewives of New Jersey blush.
September 27, 2011 2:43 PM - DeLepp
looks like a hangover
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:43 PM
September 27, 2011 2:44 PM - CGar
There's a reason for the old adage that money doesn't buy taste.
September 27, 2011 2:47 PM - dibs
I don't know what to make of this Chinese guy who wants to buy my house. My lawyer gave him a lawyer's name to use and he's going to quote him a price for the legal work but needs to know the details about the house. I don't know if he's going to tell his lawyer to do the deal based on the asking price or what???????

Luckily the lawyers know each other well so there's no room for hanky panky.



Edited at September 27, 2011 2:51 PM
September 27, 2011 2:47 PM - Biff Champion
I'm assuming "price upon request" means I can't afford it.

http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=LI3&ListingID=29876&ohDat=
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:47 PM
September 27, 2011 2:49 PM - dibs
The last one is classier, Biff. POR is another way of telling you that you are too POOR
September 27, 2011 2:50 PM - CGar
"there's no room for hanky panky"

First time that's ever been said about your house.
September 27, 2011 2:50 PM - DeLepp
biff, click on map and it's $68 million
Edited at September 27, 2011 2:50 PM
September 27, 2011 2:52 PM - Biff Champion
This is only worth $58MM without the water slide in pic 14

http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=LI3&ListingID=15739&ohDat=
September 27, 2011 2:55 PM - Arkady
Biffy - You wouldn't want to live on Scuttlehole Road, anyway.
September 27, 2011 3:06 PM - dibs
Arkady, my friend who inheritted the Vise Grip pliers company from his father had an estate and he named it "Cocksweil Farm"
Edited at September 27, 2011 3:06 PM
September 27, 2011 3:13 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: The southampton house is exactly why millionaires should be taxed more. Bad taste tax for one- the zebra skins, is that a portrait of ben Franklin or napoleon or something on the wall? Barf.
September 27, 2011 3:15 PM - dibs
randolph, they had a decorator do that whole place so, on top of the fees, they paid through the nose for all the furnishings, etc. I assume somewhere along the way the "bad taste" tax was paid. In this respect I absolutely agree with you.

I'll ask a designer friend who works exclusively on nantucket how the taxes are paid.
September 27, 2011 3:22 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Who is they? You know the owners?
September 27, 2011 3:24 PM - dibs
"They" meaning the owners of any of those houses listed. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Edited at September 27, 2011 3:24 PM
September 27, 2011 3:26 PM - Arkady
Anyone have a kid who needs a science project? I just found 2 caterpillars on the parsley I'd brought in for the winter. Parsley is nothing but stalks now but the caterpillars are all set to chrysalis. They'll be monarch butterflies next spring.
Edited at September 27, 2011 3:26 PM
September 27, 2011 3:33 PM - dibs
Fry them up with some soy sauce and a dash of mirin.
September 27, 2011 3:37 PM - Arkady
You want them, dibs? They might go well w/ Mexican yoghurt.
September 27, 2011 3:38 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
OOOOH ! me ive always wanted to grow real live butterflies!!!! all that seems to grow in my house days are spiders, and now f'ing roaches. i dont know what is going on, roaches has NEVER been a problem before but now they are pretty bad in my kitchen i see at least two a day. GROSS. im assuming someone a dirty person in the building had them, they moved out, and then spread? or dirty people moved in? ugh. we stupidly signed off on the exterminator the last two months too. grrrr. roaches go away when it gets cold out right? i only had roaches ONE other time in my life. embarassing!


*rob*

September 27, 2011 3:40 PM - Biff Champion
A dash of Mirren
Edited at September 27, 2011 3:40 PM
September 27, 2011 3:41 PM - Biff Champion
A dash of moron...

Name the celeb...
Edited at September 27, 2011 3:41 PM
September 27, 2011 3:47 PM - Arkady
rob - Sprinkle boric acid around the walls - where your dog can't get at it.
Do you want the caterpillers?
September 27, 2011 3:50 PM - Biff Champion
'Racist' bake sale at UC Berkeley ignites furor

A student group at the University of California Berkeley has sparked a furor by staging a bake sale that charges customers differently based on their race and gender.

The Berkeley College Republicans devised the satirical "Increase Diversity Bake Sale," as a protest against proposed bill SB 185, which would have the race, gender, ethnicity and national origin of prospective students considered alongside other admission criteria.

The bake sale, which went ahead Tuesday despite the disapproval of the school's administration, set prices for baked goods on a sliding scale — charging the most to Caucasian males and the least to Native American women.

"If preferences based on skin color are okay for college admissions, they should be okay for other aspects of life," wrote the group's president, Shawn Lewis, on their website.

"We agree that the event is inherently racist, but that is the point."

Bake Sale Prices

White: $2.00
Asian: $1.50
Latino: $1.00
Black: $0.75
Native American: 25 cents
25 cents off for all women
Edited at September 27, 2011 3:50 PM
September 27, 2011 3:53 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Native American: 25 cents

lol. cher would be pissed. arkady, nah, ill pass on the caterpillars.

*rob*

September 27, 2011 3:54 PM - dibs
I'd love to meet the Berkeley College republicans. I'll take them all to Zachary's for dinner.
September 27, 2011 3:56 PM - Biff Champion
Native American female = free for Cher.
September 27, 2011 3:57 PM - CGar
Search "lifeinbkln" under Google Images. For variety, search "lifeinbkln" plus your log-in name.
September 27, 2011 3:59 PM - dibs
Did someone say native American????????
September 27, 2011 4:03 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
oh yeah, i forgot cher's already just a half breed!!! she's still wind up being worth a dollar tho at that bake sale.

*rob*

September 27, 2011 4:04 PM - DeadCatBounce
My impression is that Native Americans get very little, if any, special diversity benefit.
September 27, 2011 4:04 PM - denton
"Anyone have a kid who needs a science project? "

Last one I sent to school with some meth and a crack pipe. Did you hear about that one?
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:04 PM
September 27, 2011 4:05 PM - denton
The Brownstoner post on the new bedstuy wine shop annoyed the hell outta me. Talk about moonfaces.
September 27, 2011 4:05 PM - dibs
OMG, CGar...every image we ever posted here!!!!! LOL
September 27, 2011 4:07 PM - More4Less
is the pun fest over yet???
September 27, 2011 4:07 PM - CGar
I know, dave! Who needs booth access when you have Google. If you enter different log-in names, different pics come up.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:07 PM
September 27, 2011 4:12 PM - denton
Those kids on Wall Street seem to need some help. If you're gonna bitch about Wall Street, you should at least have a clue what you are bitching about. I'm thinking of putting together some talking points and hanging with them for a while.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:12 PM
September 27, 2011 4:14 PM - dibs
denton, I've been ranting about that for a few dats now. They really seem clueless. I heard a few of them on TV last night...what pathetic drivel.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:14 PM
September 27, 2011 4:16 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
My impression is that Native Americans get very little, if any, special diversity benefit.

uh... they get tax free cigarettes :-/ i still dont get what that is about. i want tax free cigarettes too!!! also i dont think they pay any taxes on their smurf juice. i need to get me a pretty headdress.


*rob*

September 27, 2011 4:17 PM - cobblehiller
***Good news/Bad News***
We found an apt. A really nice "cheap" (cheap being relative) rent-stabilized apt. In a slightly funky building. In a great location. With all new appliances, a new kitchen and a new bathroom. I'm leaving Cobble Hill. It's extremely anxiety producing. We're moving to Ditmas Park. As much as I like it there, I feel like I'm moving to a 'foreign country'. : ) : (
September 27, 2011 4:18 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Yeah Denton just what the world needs is more talking points.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:18 PM
September 27, 2011 4:18 PM - Biff Champion
Interesting article:

Correcting the Abysmal 'New York Times' Coverage of Occupy Wall Street

http://www.thenation.com/blog/163626/correcting-abysmal-new-york-times-coverage-occupy-wall-street
September 27, 2011 4:18 PM - dibs
Well Cobble, if you become DitmasParker your avatar is at least related to you.
September 27, 2011 4:18 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
most of the "kids" ive seen interviewed seemed like they were just rebelling against their priveleged upbringing. there was like ONE homeless lady tho, but she said she was there "cuz she was bored and thought they'd be fun to hang out with" lol. as lame as they might be, it's still good seeing people take action, i guess. as futile as it is.

*rob*

Edited at September 27, 2011 4:18 PM
September 27, 2011 4:19 PM - DeLepp
Congrats cobble, ditmas is a gem.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:19 PM
September 27, 2011 4:20 PM - cobblehiller
You know what, DIBS? You just coined my new login! Thanks! Excuse me while I go register it. ; )
September 27, 2011 4:20 PM - Deleted
there are plenty of young folks out there who are just as fed up with wall street that have a better grasp on the facts. if someone ever becomes a voice for the pissed off youth in this country - watch out.
September 27, 2011 4:20 PM - DeadCatBounce
Congratulations Cobble, that's great!
Rob, If you go to any Indian Reservation, you too can get tax free cigarettes.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:20 PM
September 27, 2011 4:21 PM - Deleted
congrats cobble!
September 27, 2011 4:22 PM - rf
Congratulations, Cobble, I'm sure you'll feel relieved once you are moved in.
September 27, 2011 4:22 PM - Arkady
Cobble! HooRAY!!! Change is difficult but can be very stimulating too. And the sheer relief of having found some place has to feel terrific! When will you move? Need help?
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:22 PM
September 27, 2011 4:23 PM - Biff Champion
DH and Randi, if you have time, read the article I linked to. You may be the only ones here unjaded enough to appreciate it (I mean that in a good way).
September 27, 2011 4:23 PM - cobblehiller
Thank you, PLUSAs. : )

" I'm sure you'll feel relieved once you are moved in."

Yes, I can't wait til this is OVER.
September 27, 2011 4:24 PM - dibs
Biff, I read the article. Instead of a critique of what was wrong with the NY Times article, why didn't she write an insightful article of her own about the protests????????


September 27, 2011 4:24 PM - denton
"if someone ever becomes a voice for the pissed off youth in this country - watch out."

You ain't shittin', DH. And unlike the 'Arab Spring' countries, there's an awful lotta guns floating around here. Could get interesting. And it ain't only the youth. When the people now who are voting tea party cuz they know something is seriously wrong, get one last big fucking and finally figure out who is doing it, look out baby.

September 27, 2011 4:25 PM - Biff Champion
Cobble, congrats. Please don't change your name though...it would be like Arkady suddenly becoming Essteedee.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:25 PM
September 27, 2011 4:26 PM - minard lafever
Glad to hear it Ditmas Parker!
Congrats!

Edited at September 27, 2011 4:25 PM
September 27, 2011 4:26 PM - cobblehiller
Thanks, Arkady. Yes, will need help! (And lots of wine!!) Prolly around the 2nd weekend in Oct. or a few days later. Not set yet. Have to talk to movers this week.
September 27, 2011 4:26 PM - denton
congrats cobble. Of course you'll want to get a Vespa or something so you can get around.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:26 PM
September 27, 2011 4:27 PM - Deleted
interesting article biff. what a shocker that the media is only interviewing the "crazies" in the crowd.

i don't think this country is beyond having an "arab spring" type of thing if this gov't doesn't stop playing politics with peoples' lives.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:27 PM
September 27, 2011 4:27 PM - dibs
"However, Bellafante never attempts to do the job of real journalism here, which is to use this slice of life to help her readers understand the world around them. Instead, she comes across as a rubbernecker leering at a particularly bloody wreck."

Neither does this jackass, Kilkenny. She comes across as a whiney self important critic.
September 27, 2011 4:28 PM - Deleted
word, denton
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:28 PM
September 27, 2011 4:28 PM - Arkady
Biffy - Times today had a totally different slant & did cover the mace incident - hinting that it was unprovoked.
September 27, 2011 4:28 PM - Biff Champion
DIBS, the article was meant to be a critique of the NY Times coverage. I think it was effective from that perspective.
September 27, 2011 4:28 PM - cobblehiller
Thanks, denton, I would love a Vespa! But I'll prolly just use my bike, as we witches are wont to do! : P
September 27, 2011 4:29 PM - cobblehiller
DH, Did you move this past weekend? How'd it go?
September 27, 2011 4:29 PM - Deleted
cobble - moving on saturday. booo
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:29 PM
September 27, 2011 4:29 PM - dibs
"For every batshit-crazy quote Bellafante presents, I can match it with a calm, articulate response from another attendee. I guarantee that. However, that’s not the point."

yes it is, because she doesn't.
September 27, 2011 4:29 PM - DeadCatBounce
Confirmation of what I was saying about Health Insurers from Today's Barron's Online:

Insurance Premiums Soar Even as Health Costs Slump
By Avi Salzman

Insurers have been paying health care providers a smaller and smaller percentage of the premiums they take in, yet they raised their premiums a whopping 9% in 2011, a study released today by the Kaiser Family Foundation revealed. It was the largest rise in six years, the foundation said after surveying more than 2,000 companies. Meanwhile, wages have risen 2.1%.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:29 PM
September 27, 2011 4:31 PM - DeLepp
It was an awful lot of ink for a critique on another article, quite possibly longer than original article in nytimes.
September 27, 2011 4:31 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Dibs she points out the other side that the nyt left out and highlights a few of the more sane members there. If was media criticism But also showed the side purposely left out by the times.
I'm pretty sure you got as far as the word Unions and your blood pressure started to rise and so you stopped reading and went looking for dentons talking points.
September 27, 2011 4:34 PM - Biff Champion
Good one, Randi.
September 27, 2011 4:35 PM - Arkady
dcb - Isn't that about corporations raising fees? not individual policies? 'Cause when I was buying my own the annual increase was higher than that some years.
September 27, 2011 4:35 PM - cobblehiller
I've moved many times, but this is the most stressful move ever, and I haven't even started packing. However, I did sketch/block out how the furniture will fit in the apt.
September 27, 2011 4:35 PM - ij
Congratulations, Cobble!
September 27, 2011 4:39 PM - Biff Champion
The Times had an interesting article over the weekend on redshirting, which I'm personally against.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/dont-delay-your-kindergartners-start.html?src=me&ref=general
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:39 PM
September 27, 2011 4:41 PM - DeLepp
"They’d have to be to do something like this, and risk getting hypothermia for the chance to be ignored and belittled by the media.Young people are always the first ones willing to risk comfort and security for the romantic vision of a better tomorrow."

Hypothermia? In NYC in September? Did the guys just have a fig leaf and the girls pasties?
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:41 PM
September 27, 2011 4:43 PM - Biff Champion
"Hypothermia? In NYC in September? Did the guys just have a fig leaf and the girls pasties?"

DeLepp, I have to admit that I too didn't understand that reference. Doesn't make sense unless the police were spraying them with cold water from water cannons, which they weren't.
September 27, 2011 4:46 PM - cobblehiller
Thanks, infinite.

Now must run off...Have a good evening, all.
Edited at September 27, 2011 4:46 PM
September 27, 2011 4:47 PM - minard lafever
Cobble, very smart to get a rent-regulated place. Way to go!
You must be thrilled and excited!!


Edited at September 27, 2011 4:47 PM
September 27, 2011 4:48 PM - DeLepp
biff, article made some valid points but that last reference makes me question her credibility.

The young people comment makes me nuts since they have the lowest voter participation rates. I'll freeze my nuts off but don't ask me to register to vote.
September 27, 2011 4:51 PM - More4Less
yeah, moving is a bitch. all my previous moves were easy - ie not much stuff, threw / gave away a bunch of stuff, then ordered bunch of new stuff. but this coming move will be a bitch - ton's of shit. arhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
September 27, 2011 4:52 PM - More4Less
Cobble, congrats. now, don't let someone put up a tent this time. channel that Cobble that chewed out big time those bushwick tent boys
September 27, 2011 4:54 PM - More4Less
Cobble, I always use tape to tape out, in advance, on the flr where the sofa, dining table, TV, bed,.... should be so when the movers show up, they know where to plop everything down
September 27, 2011 4:58 PM - Deleted
"The young people comment makes me nuts since they have the lowest voter participation rates. I'll freeze my nuts off but don't ask me to register to vote."

yup - think if all young people voted.

that's why obama really pisses me off. he totally played us young folks.
September 27, 2011 5:01 PM - Arkady
Us oldies, too, dh!
September 27, 2011 5:07 PM - DeLepp
dh, govt spends/gives more subsidies to the past then to the future.
September 27, 2011 5:11 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
that's why obama really pisses me off. he totally played us young folks.

psssst. just cuz you live in williamsburg, dont mean youre young. i dont vote out of apathy, my lack of a vote IS a vote. everyone was an awful choice. wake me up when Mo'Nique runs for president, then ill be at polls.



*rob*

Edited at September 27, 2011 5:11 PM
September 27, 2011 5:12 PM - DeLepp
I hope monique shaves her legs b4 debate
September 27, 2011 5:16 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: It should be against the law not to vote.
September 27, 2011 5:17 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
omg yeah i kinda fell out of favor with her when she admitted in the news she doesnt like to shave her legs because HER HUSBAND LIKES HER HAIRY LEGS :-/ tho i dont think things like hygiene are all that important when running for president. something tells me hillary is a bushy mess down there...


*rob*

September 27, 2011 5:17 PM - minard lafever
do you really want to force Rob to vote?

September 27, 2011 5:18 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
It should be against the law not to vote.

do you have any idea how MORONIC that sounds?

*rob*

Edited at September 27, 2011 5:18 PM
September 27, 2011 5:22 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I.actually do. I think he should be forced to participate. He can write in gay smurf hoodlum for all I care.
September 27, 2011 5:23 PM - Slopefarm
Well, since Laura Petrie isn't here to say it, I will: Oh, Rob!
September 27, 2011 5:25 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Argentina, australia and brazil have mandatory voting laws (other countries do too, just can't remember).
Edited at September 27, 2011 5:25 PM
September 27, 2011 5:26 PM - Arkady
In this country the right is trying to make it harder for people to vote so I almost agree it ought to be legally mandated.
Edited at September 27, 2011 5:26 PM
September 27, 2011 5:28 PM - Donatella
I was going to ask what did I miss but it looks like a sprinkling of politics, union bashing, discussion of hearing, my complaints about subway screeching, interesting comments on rubberized wheels (WE need them), and now......a devolution into punning. Still not in a punny mood. Well, off to my next appointment and adventure.

Later, losers.
September 27, 2011 5:30 PM - Arkady
dona??? Now???? Punning???? Where???
September 27, 2011 5:31 PM - Donatella
Oh, I saw that you got an apartment, Cobble. Congratulations!!!! That is great! Ditmas Park is nice. You will like it there. I have a friend who has lived there 25 years and it is very human, very nice. And more and more amenities, restaurants, etc. Best of luck!!!

Well, I'm off. See ya later....
September 27, 2011 5:38 PM - Donatella
Sorry, I was typing and then started doing something else and the punfest stopped after Benson threatened to throw himself in front of a train, rubberized wheels or not. Then all kinds of other news and posts intervened....i.e. Cobble's apartment, Jester's RedHook gig.

I have been running around; I am getting more energy in my search which to tell the truth I have did not really start in earnest till after Labor Day. It is interesting. Every meeting I have I seem to pick up a little consulting gig, just by talking with old friends and colleagues. I may have some other project.

Edited at September 27, 2011 5:38 PM
September 27, 2011 5:39 PM - Bedstuymaven
Congrats Cobble. When is the housewarming party?
September 27, 2011 6:11 PM - dibs
I bet we'll be hearing her say "BOCOCA" now!!!!!
Edited at September 27, 2011 6:11 PM
September 27, 2011 6:40 PM - dibs
"New Jersey Governor Chris Christie will say the U.S. has “failed to live up to our own tradition of exceptionalism,” according to excerpts of a speech to be delivered tonight."

Sounds like he's going to run.
September 27, 2011 6:45 PM - CGar
Get the hell off the beach.
September 27, 2011 6:50 PM - DeLepp
Guess he realized that not being ready is all relative.
September 27, 2011 6:58 PM - dibs
I don't think that "ready" is really the issue. I think he's not sure he can win it against Obama. It's of course a certainty in 2016
September 27, 2011 7:02 PM - CGar
But, unlike the Democrats who banish their losing candidates, if Christie loses to Obama in 2012, the Republicans will likely give him the nomination again in 2016.
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September 27, 2011 7:04 PM - minard lafever
One of the issues with Christie may be his health.
He landed in the hospital a few weeks ago, they said it was asthma.

September 27, 2011 7:19 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I am officially old ::shut up::

Tonight I went to J&R to get something. HUGE LINE of screaming teens from here to eternity. I get inside the store - finally. Towards the back, a security guard unlocks a door and an entourage enters, a tall handsome black man at the center of it. The kids are screaming and a few folks in the store suddenly whip out their camera phones to get a pic of this man. Meanwhile, I'm standing right in front of him, just looking up at him like "who the eff are you?" I finally get around him and head to the second floor. Later, I was told by the security guard that I had come face to face (and essentially boobs to belly - this was a tall dude) with a famous rapper named Jay Cole.

WHO???

::goes to put on an Al Greene cd::
September 27, 2011 7:23 PM - CGar
Jay Cole, the English soccer player, is a rapper too???
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September 27, 2011 7:24 PM - Bedstuymaven
Snappy - never heard of him either
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September 27, 2011 7:26 PM - CGar
DH will know who he is, no doubt.
September 27, 2011 7:29 PM - minard lafever
you saw Jay Cole in person? OMG!!! Wow!!

(i never heard of him either)
September 27, 2011 7:33 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
That pretty much looks like the guy I saw. After doing some googling, I still don't really know for sure who the eff he is! I'm just gonna go ahead and presume that I'm not missing anything by not knowing.

::Reaches for the Todd Rundgren cd::
September 27, 2011 7:36 PM - CGar
Snappy, you're not the only person who saw a famous rapper tonight...
September 27, 2011 7:37 PM - bxgrl
Congrats cobble! You'll love it there! I'll come help too- my ex and I used to own our own moving company- 4 trucks. So I am really good with packing.

Just got back from my Dr's appt at Mt. Sinai. Literally with a shopping bag full of medications I have to take. Ugh.
September 27, 2011 7:40 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Cargar, now there's a wrapper I know and love :-)

::reaches for the James Taylor cd::

Bxgirl, boooo! You gotta get better ma'am!
September 27, 2011 7:47 PM - Deleted
"Just got back from my Dr's appt at Mt. Sinai. Literally with a shopping bag full of medications I have to take. Ugh."

If only you would accept my wisdom and not argue with me, you wouldn't need so much medicine!

Hope all goes well, and congrats to Cobble.
September 27, 2011 7:52 PM - dibs
I'd let him do me!!!
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September 27, 2011 8:05 PM - Deleted
No idea who j cole is


Only hip hop guys sorta on the cusp of being big I know of are das racist and the weeknd ( no typo).
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September 27, 2011 9:04 PM - Kensingtonian
J Cole is huge. I know who he is but I listen to all mainline crap.
September 27, 2011 9:19 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
he just HAS to work on that unibrown action that's starting to form! i dont like most male rap, mostly into female rap and have a slightly festishistic relationship with white female rap (that last part probably sounds weird hahahhah). tho most of my fav. rap stars are black females.

what were you buying at J&R?

i went and bought an amplified antennae at best buy today FOR THE FOURTH time. i swear i wont return it again... i hope. dont have any rent to pay next paycheck (my roommate finally understand what i was talking about having been paying every 14 days for the last year). so i didnt pay rent last pay period, paid it this pay period, and wont pay it next pay period, and then im even and not ahead, tho id rather be ahead., i would think he'd rather i be ahead in rent too? no? i figured it's just easier cuz then whenever i have to move i dont have to pay the last month of rent and put it to a security deposity. oh well. im here for at least another year or so anyway so no need to worry.


*rob*



September 27, 2011 9:20 PM - Arkady
I think you just misheard & he's Jake Hole.
September 27, 2011 9:21 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Cobble - belated congratulations and a big "Welcome to the 'hood!" to you and bh!
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September 27, 2011 9:24 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
there was an awesome bashing of brownstoner.com on diehipster.com today.

http://diehipster.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/%e2%99%ab%e2%99%ab%e2%99%ab-here-comes-the-bride-all-dressed-in-toxic-industrial-waste-and-raw-sewage-%e2%99%ab%e2%99%ab%e2%99%ab/

*rob*

September 27, 2011 9:27 PM - cobblehiller
Thank you, all! And hello there, 6yrs, or should I say...neighbor! : ) BH wants to try dinner at OxCart one night, perhaps you'll join us?

As it turns out, one of BH's friends lives right around the corner, we had no idea! And I've made friends with a broker, who I hope to cultivate into a real friend. We were hoping she would be the person to find us a place. But it didn't happen. Nonetheless, the person that did help us is a very good/nice guy.
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September 27, 2011 9:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
And I've made friends with a broker, who I hope to cultivate into a real friend.

so you like making friends with semi-illiterate, slimey, and crass individuals? lol. oh wait.... (looks around) hahaha

*rob*

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September 27, 2011 9:39 PM - cobblehiller
She is one of the (few) decent brokers who really went out of her way to try to help us. She spent HOURS of her days and evenings talking to and showing us around. And she lives in DP. I still have to tell her we found a place, more good news/bad news.
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September 27, 2011 9:42 PM - cobblehiller
Big fireworks at BB Park? What're they for? The carousel, perhaps?
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September 27, 2011 9:42 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Absolutely will join you at Oxcart! Their burgers are excellent and the atmosphere is nice too.
September 27, 2011 9:44 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
She spent HOURS of her days and evenings talking to and showing us around.

well god FORBID someone do something for "hours" that their is their job! the psychic part of my brain is getting bad vibes from this Babs McLite... does she have blonde hair by the way? shortish?



*rob*

September 27, 2011 9:54 PM - cobblehiller
Not blonde or short. Think brown/black hair, my height, Rob. My point is that she made a real effort, where other brokers showed us one place and we never heard from them again. This person kept digging for us.

Great, 6yrs.! We'll be in touch to set the date, we already know we'll be eating out a bunch during the move.
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September 27, 2011 10:02 PM - jessibaby
Cobble those fireworks scared the crap out of me. I called 311 and they said the fire Dept had approved fireworks by the river cafe. The north heights is waaaay to close to there. I was freaked and thought we were under attack. Doesn't make sense to have them on a school night around here, I dont think.

Contests on the move!
September 27, 2011 10:15 PM - cobblehiller
I was a little surprised they were on a 'school night' too, jessi! We could see them from here (obfuscated to a large degree by trees).

And thank you! BH signs the lease in the AM. YIKES!
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September 27, 2011 10:19 PM - Arkady
CHiller - Just think of the fireworks as having been in your honor to celebrate the start of a new chapter!
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September 27, 2011 10:24 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
My point is that she made a real effort, where other brokers showed us one place and we never heard from them again. This person kept digging for us.

nice to know. i sometimes think brokers actually try harder for non moonfaces. i guess for obvious reasons, right or wrong. you dont have to answer, but were they really tough with all the background checks and stuff? ive only lived in one apartment (a SHARED studio apt in harlem for 1500 a month with my ex where be both OBVIOUSLY qualified for rent wise) but it was really REALLY ridiculous. they wound up making us pay 2 months of security (because my bank account statements at the time had basically nothing in it and showed zero transactions i guess) and my credit score (which i dont know what it is cant be THAT bad but probably more along the lines of not dealing with credit much?) and i think the pitbull, tho with that i flatout lied and said he was another breed and reduced his weight by 20 pounds.

*rob*


*rob*

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September 27, 2011 10:26 PM - ij
I was in the north Heights for my board meeting til 9:15 and didn't hear them...must a'been later.
September 27, 2011 10:28 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
im doing laundry right, getting it all done again. i love having zero dirty clothese these days except the clothes on my back which arent dirty cuz i showered and put on something clean, but went into the laundry room and everything was free and there was a sign on the washer and a sign on one of the driers i was like fuck are they STILL broken!? but still one and one working is still good but takes more time, but it was signs that said "this machine is working!". how ghetto to have signs on the things that are working hahahah.

this thursday i have off for work for the jewish new year and im seriously SERIOUSLY doing the overneeded task of organizing my closets. i think cobble you lucked out this week with packing because (i think?) the jewish new year is a great time for that kind of stuff, i.e. cleaning, getting rid of unneeded things, organizing. don't quote me on this cuz im not jewish, i just feel like it's a perfect day. i couldnt imagine doing it on the non jewish new years (what is that called btw?) even tho that is the perfect day calanderically to do that kind of stuff. but with football, hangovers, etc i cant imagine most people could be asked to really do that on jan 1st new years so this thursday seems perfect. im going to start at sundown on wednesday night.


*rob*

September 27, 2011 10:31 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Doesn't make sense to have them on a school night around here, I dont think.

it's only 1030. :-/ what time did they have them? i'd imagine most kids in THAT neighborhood were still doing up their AP homework still anyway.

*rob*

September 27, 2011 10:35 PM - cobblehiller
Thanks, Arkady, that's a sweet thought. I'm having very mixed emotions—hour to hour. Excitement about a new start, new neighborhood to investigate, bigger bright shiny new space. And then the harsh reality of the loss of leaving my 'home town' for this new era.

When I moved back to NYC, friends from SF — where I lived, asked me "Why would you move back to Cobble Hill/Brooklyn? Versus moving to Manhattan?" I could only tell them that they'd have to visit to understand, Cobble Hill is my home. And it always will be, no matter where I move/live.
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September 27, 2011 10:37 PM - Arkady
The Romans had the right idea, rob. They had a week or so between the old year & the new so you could organize & start afresh. Some other cultures also have a similar approach.
September 27, 2011 10:37 PM - ij
The actor from The Wire who played Omar was on the radio today, talking about how much he hates people who dis Brooklyn for Manhattan. He said he lives in Williamsburg.
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September 27, 2011 10:39 PM - jessibaby
Fireworks started around 9:45. Tons of little kids live in walking distance - they go to the school over here.
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September 27, 2011 10:40 PM - ij
Atlantic Antic is this Sunday??
September 27, 2011 10:41 PM - cobblehiller
Really the wrong night to do that, jessi. I was concerned the that short people might be woken up by them—all the way over here!
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September 27, 2011 10:43 PM - Arkady
Is the Antic this weekend? Drat! Why am I always out of town for it?
September 27, 2011 10:46 PM - cobblehiller
"Omar was on the radio today, talking about how much he hates people who dis Brooklyn for Manhattan."

People who live outside of NYC have a very odd view of Brooklyn. I, myself, even became a little 'scared' of it while I was away in SF for several years. The news coverage is usually only crime related/limited. Last year, I was in an airport, in Albequerque, NM visiting my aunt, buying a magazine or something, and the woman/cashier asked me where I was from. I told her, Brooklyn, and she literally recoiled in shock. I left her saying "Don't believe the hype."
September 27, 2011 10:52 PM - ij
One of the reasons I moved here was for the self-confidence living in an urban setting could provide, and I've been very pleased to see I wasn't wrong thinking it would be like that. My high school reunion this summer was one example where that showed.
September 27, 2011 10:57 PM - cobblehiller
Thank you, rob, we will be purging, organizing, regrouping while we pack/unpack.
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September 27, 2011 11:01 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
yeah my grandmother nearly shit her depends when i told her i moved to brooklyn (from harlem btw) but i dont think she even knew i was living in harlem at the time really. but whatever, you have to realize that people have different views of different places at different times. none of my family, i dont think ever lived in brooklyn, but my grandfather was born on bowery in 1937 live there for some time and then they moved into projects in jersey (i think union city) and my grandmother's mother (born in 1909)'s family from italy skipped nyc all together in favor of the jersey gold coast (i think union city as well). maybe weekhawken? my grandparents both came from families who were nothing but ho-bags and thieves. their parents each had like, shit you not, like 13-15 kids each :-/ after that generation it was just a generic working class diaspora all along hudson county. so i think that's why i FEEL like im kinda sorta nyc even tho i guess technically not and will always BE jersey.

anyway, to my grandmother brooklyn was just bad and so was manhattan when i moved here but by that time she was already watching sex in the city (i think) but definintely friends (seriously) to know enough it was gay as hell and safe. when i told her that when she used to go to bingo and xxxxxx used to bring me into the city (hells kitchen area for the most part i think) to cop drugs she was like "i'll beat that bitch!!!!" i was like ugh, she's already dead.

*rob*

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September 27, 2011 11:09 PM - Donatella
A lot of people had big families in those days, *rob*. I am a fan of your grandmother, I have to tell you. She sounds like a character but she definitely loves you.
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September 27, 2011 11:13 PM - bxgrl
rob- I do pretty much the same on the High Holy Days. It always feels like a new beginning. especially Yom Kippur.


September 27, 2011 11:41 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
oooh. yom kippur is another holiday coming up, but got to either take off that day or on columbus day, not sure which one i picked. that's way into october tho, right? i think we also get to either take on MLK jr day or presidents day most years too. i always feel like it's a weird decision to make and usually pick off on days i think the office will be most empty. not cuz i dont want to be around people but cuz it gets busy when too many people pick a certain day, which happens from time to time (tho usually around the xmas holidays/new years)

ugh this year FLEW by

*rob*