Monday Open Thread
September 26, 2011 6:28 AM - BoerumHillScott

813 comments
September 26, 2011 6:55 AM - dibs
2nd, technically.
#1
September 26, 2011 7:49 AM - Bedstuymaven
Good Morning Dave,

How are you? How is the house in Bucks County faring?
#2
September 26, 2011 8:33 AM - dibs
House is in great shape. need the boiler to be looked at and need a few tons of dirt and gravel for outside. I know where I can get dirt!!!!!!


#3
September 26, 2011 8:36 AM - Bedstuymaven
Good to hear Dave. I a tons of dirt on my sidewalk
#4
September 26, 2011 8:54 AM - Slopefarm
Good morning, all. Really nice to hear Cowboy Junkies' version of Sweet Jane in Starbucks this morning.
#5
September 26, 2011 9:00 AM - dibs
Cobble's usually good for a daily dishing of dirt.


I need about 3 yards of dirt, 4 yards of rubble fill, 4 yards of gravel and 6 yards of top stone...the fancy red shale nice stuff.
#6
September 26, 2011 9:10 AM - dibs
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia gave women the right to vote. Still barred from driving and working anywhere where they'd be in contact with men.
#7
September 26, 2011 9:15 AM - petebklyn
what can they vote for in saudi arabia? elections for what?
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:15 AM
#8
September 26, 2011 9:17 AM - dibs
Well, Pete, that's a good point. Maybe there are local elections like Sharia fashion police. Actually it looks like municipal councils are freely elected. I'm sure the term "freely" is inappropriate though.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:17 AM
#9
September 26, 2011 9:18 AM - dibs
They still can't drive but we all know the situation with "women drivers" anyway. :)
#10
September 26, 2011 9:22 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
ugh. mondays make me wanna slit my wrists

*rob*

#11
September 26, 2011 9:24 AM - denton
dibs, what do you think about that 'Stinky' guy?
#12
September 26, 2011 9:24 AM - dibs
I applaud Perry in his stance to give education benefits to the children of illegals. presumably these children are all born here and that makes them citizens, no matter what else is at issue.
#13
September 26, 2011 9:24 AM - dibs
Who is the "stinky" guy.
#14
September 26, 2011 9:25 AM - dibs
Berkshire Hathaway announces share buyback. He should pay a dividend. But then he'd pay higher taxes on that. Buffett's a real hypocrite on this tax thing.
#15
September 26, 2011 9:26 AM - petebklyn
we're still trying to plan southwest trip for beginning of november.
anyone ever been to sedona or tombstone arizona?
what did you think? sedona pretty drive but really for the new age set
...tombstone -- worth a detour off the interstate? or just tourist trap?
#16
September 26, 2011 9:27 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
what does "education benefits" mean?

*rob*

Edited at September 26, 2011 9:27 AM
#17
September 26, 2011 9:28 AM - dibs
State tuition rates. And scholarships.
#18
September 26, 2011 9:28 AM - petebklyn
I applaud him also for that stance. But more importantly - what does that say of large segment of republican base that they are so adamantly opposed to it? so much that could derail perry's prospects.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:28 AM
#19
September 26, 2011 9:29 AM - dibs
I need to find out more about Cain.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:29 AM
#20
September 26, 2011 9:29 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
State tuition rates. And scholarships.

the end to the means to a dead end life.

*rob*

#21
September 26, 2011 9:30 AM - petebklyn
today lesbi is taking board exam for nurse practitioner. I can't wait 'till over.
#22
September 26, 2011 9:31 AM - denton
dibs, 'Stinky', robbed a guy of his money and phone. Then he asked him if he was gay. When he applied in the affirmative, Stinky yelled anti-gay insults and 'sexually assaulted' him. Seems like Stinky has some sexual issues of his own.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/09/25/nypd-searches-for-anti-gay-assault-and-robbery-suspect/


#23
September 26, 2011 9:31 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
EW, lesbi is gonna become a gay nurse? they're worse than the female ones!

*rob*

#24
September 26, 2011 9:31 AM - DeLepp
Cain has some nice zingers for his fellow republicans candidates. Don't know much other than that but at least he seems sensible. Time will tell.
#25
September 26, 2011 9:32 AM - petebklyn
he has something to do with abel. bible story I think. but I never read the book.
I know you can raise cain.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:32 AM
#26
September 26, 2011 9:34 AM - petebklyn
he has been a nurse for many years. and also gay. not a gay nurse.
He is becoming nurse practitioner. will then be able to write prescriptions.
#27
September 26, 2011 9:34 AM - dibs
Just saw "stinky's" pic. Send him over.
#28
September 26, 2011 9:35 AM - Biff Champion
Does anyone else see the irony in Pete going to visit Tombstone?

It's like DIBS going to Gay City State Park...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_City_State_Park
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:35 AM
#29
September 26, 2011 9:36 AM - Biff Champion
Isn't "gay male" nurse redundant?
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:36 AM
#30
September 26, 2011 9:38 AM - denton
SLV down another 7%. Think I'll dip my toe in again.
#31
September 26, 2011 9:39 AM - Slopefarm
Put another way, I don't see how Cain will be abel to win the nomination. Not sure it is worth your time yet, dibs, to learn more about him. For a short while, it was looking like a two-man race -- Romney and Perry. Perry has revealed some weaknesses faster than I expected, so perhaps the race is back on for the leading not-Romney candidate, although I don't see who in the field makes a stronger primary opponent to Romney or stronger general election candidate. My prediction is that a number of candidates will ahve their Warhol moments in the primaries but that Romney will have a bunch of strong second place finishes to keep amassing delegates and will emerge as the only option as the others start running out of gas. Get ready for another 14 months of Gail Collins reminding everyone about how he strapped the family dog to the roof rack of the car and drove off on a family vacation.
#32
September 26, 2011 9:39 AM - petebklyn
notice how the right wingers will now try to demonize buffett. traitor to his class.
he is the one that said awhile back.....yes - there is class warfare and his class in winning.
#33
September 26, 2011 9:40 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i guess i just dont understand the reasoning why someone would become a nurse to begin with. it seems like it's probably the grossest job one could have. it probably stems from unchecked perversion, like when people become foot doctors or gynocologists... you know they aint right in the head to go into those professions.

*rob*

#34
September 26, 2011 9:40 AM - denton
I can see myself voting for Romney, if he doesn't bend over to much to the wingnut class.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:40 AM
#35
September 26, 2011 9:40 AM - petebklyn
from lesbi's experience....around NY, northeast probably yes but other parts of country no.
#36
September 26, 2011 9:42 AM - Biff Champion
15 Most Unfortunate Town Names
Penistone, UK
Middlefart, Denmark
Dildo, Newfoundland
Fucking, Austria
Crotch Crescent, UK
Crapstone, UK
Intercourse, Pennsylvania
Boring, Oregon
Accident, Maryland
Wetwang, UK
Hell, Michigan
Hooker, Oklahoma
Embarrass, Minnesota
Bird in Hand, Pennsylvania
Titty Ho, UK

http://www.oddee.com/item_96555.aspx

#37
September 26, 2011 9:45 AM - petebklyn
it is fun to watch the republicans destroy each other down like this.
but scary to watch scenes from the crowd in last debate.
It is like watching them throw red meat to the lions.

#38
September 26, 2011 9:46 AM - dibs
It would seem that Obama has single handedly destroyed himself.
#39
September 26, 2011 9:48 AM - Arkady
I love the way Gail Collins has turned that dog into a running joke.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:48 AM
#40
September 26, 2011 9:49 AM - petebklyn
denton wants a silver toe.
#41
September 26, 2011 9:49 AM - Arkady
I just read in the Times to Google the word Santorum - or am I late to this party?
#42
September 26, 2011 9:49 AM - Biff Champion
Self-Serve Checkouts Fading From Grocery Stores

"When Keith Wearne goes grocery shopping, checking out with a cashier is worth the few extra moments, rather than risking that a self-serve machine might go awry and delay him even more.

Most shoppers side with Wearne, studies show. And with that in mind, some grocery store chains nationwide are bagging the do-it-yourself option, once considered the wave of the future, in the name of customer service.

"It's just more interactive," Wearne said during a recent shopping trip at Manchester's Big Y Foods. "You get someone who says hello; you get a person to talk to if there's a problem.""

Can you imagine living in a city where grocery store cashiers are more friendly than machines??
#43
September 26, 2011 9:49 AM - petebklyn
denton wants a silver toe.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:49 AM
#44
September 26, 2011 9:50 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
smurfs on broadway

*rob*



#45
September 26, 2011 9:51 AM - petebklyn
very late to the party, arkady. did you hear anderson cooper is gloria vanderbilt's son yet?
#46
September 26, 2011 9:51 AM - Biff Champion
Why does this sound so funny to me?

"Styles, a 47-year-old South Windsor resident, says the convenience of the self-serve lanes fits into his busy life as a college lacrosse coach and father of 7-year-old twins."
#47
September 26, 2011 9:52 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Can you imagine living in a city where grocery store cashiers are more friendly than machines??

yes. the cashiers at associated on 5th avenue are totally the nicest cashiers ive ever experienced.

*rob*

#48
September 26, 2011 9:53 AM - petebklyn
isn't self-serve what you do while wathing porn?
#49
September 26, 2011 9:53 AM - dibs
Actually Biff, in the suburbs the staff at grocery stores and all other retail are largely friendly. it's a city thing and certainly a NYC thing where they are rude, stupid and unpleasant. they also think that they should be entitled not to work.
#50
September 26, 2011 9:54 AM - BoerumHillScott
I remember reading the original Savage Love columns years ago when he had the contest to come up with the definition of Santorum
#51
September 26, 2011 9:55 AM - dibs
And, the problem with getting in the lane where there's a checkout person is that there's usually a stupid customer in front of you or at worst, a woman who doesn't start looking for her money until she's told the final total.
#52
September 26, 2011 9:55 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Actually Biff, in the suburbs the staff at grocery stores and all other retail are largely friendly. it's a city thing and certainly a NYC thing where they are rude, stupid and unpleasant. they also think that they should be entitled not to work.

you must bring that on yourself. or maybe youre shopping at moonface supermarkets, in that case, yes the cashiers are fucking snobby.

*rob*

Edited at September 26, 2011 9:55 AM
#53
September 26, 2011 9:56 AM - ij
A friend and I were listing our "Ruination Jobs"; if our circumstances got so horrible we had to find anything to survive. Psychiatric nurse was on both of our lists.
#54
September 26, 2011 9:56 AM - BoerumHillScott
The thing I hate the most about self checkouts is the scale system almost all put in to try to keep down theft. More times than not the system accuses me of either not placing my item in the bagging area or of placing too many items in the bagging area.

#55
September 26, 2011 9:56 AM - Deleted
Pete;

Thank you for more of your thoughtful analysis. Countdown to the term "teabagger".
#56
September 26, 2011 9:58 AM - petebklyn
manchester, south windsor? where is this story from? canada?
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:58 AM
#57
September 26, 2011 9:58 AM - Biff Champion
Weenie Google

http://www.toosmalltouse.com/

#58
September 26, 2011 9:59 AM - Biff Champion
Epic Google

http://www.toobigtouse.com/
#59
September 26, 2011 10:00 AM - Biff Champion
Elgoog (backwards Google)

http://elgoog.rb-hosting.de/index.cgi
#60
September 26, 2011 10:00 AM - ij
I love self-checkout - I stare at myself in any mirror I can find.
#61
September 26, 2011 10:00 AM - Arkady
rob - Your definition of 'nurse' is my definition of 'check out clerk'.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:00 AM
#62
September 26, 2011 10:02 AM - Biff Champion
"More times than not the system accuses me of either not placing my item in the bagging area or of placing too many items in the bagging area."

That happens to me at glory holes.
#63
September 26, 2011 10:02 AM - petebklyn
good morning, benson.
#64
September 26, 2011 10:02 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
id rather be a supermarket cashier than a nurse. at least being a supermarket cashier you dont gotta wear scrubs. gross!

*rob*

Edited at September 26, 2011 10:02 AM
#65
September 26, 2011 10:03 AM - petebklyn
self-checkout is euphemism for suicide. please don't do it, jester.
#66
September 26, 2011 10:03 AM - petebklyn
self-checkout is euphemism for suicide. please don't do it, jester.
#67
September 26, 2011 10:03 AM - dibs
rob, if you worked as a supermarket cashier you wouldn't be able to afford your cigarettes
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:03 AM
#68
September 26, 2011 10:05 AM - ij
Not while my mother's living, of course. And not after that either.
#69
September 26, 2011 10:06 AM - petebklyn
people don't want to bag their own groceries.... so they have a teabagger do it for them.
happy now benson?
#70
September 26, 2011 10:06 AM - Deleted
Good morning, Pete.
#71
September 26, 2011 10:07 AM - Biff Champion
Credit where credit is due: Trader Joe's and Perelandra have very friendly cashiers.
#72
September 26, 2011 10:08 AM - minard lafever
good morning.
are we talking politics?
The Santorum google problem is pretty funny imo.
#73
September 26, 2011 10:14 AM - petebklyn
wearing scrubs depends on ones duties...not position or title.
plenty of nurses don't wear scrubs. plenty of non-nurses wear scrubs (doctors, orderlies, childcare workers, vet's offices).
#74
September 26, 2011 10:14 AM - CGar
"I just read in the Times to Google the word Santorum - or am I late to this party?"

I take it you don't read Savage Love?
#75
September 26, 2011 10:18 AM - Arkady
Mag subscriptions: The Oldie, Lit Review of London, Verbatim.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:17 AM
#76
September 26, 2011 10:18 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
rob, if you worked as a supermarket cashier you wouldn't be able to afford your cigarettes

most cashiers at supermarkets in the city are on welfare and get food stamps and live in the projects, so yes, i would be able to afford my newports. well... if i had a vagina

*roB*

#77
September 26, 2011 10:18 AM - Biff Champion
"plenty of nurses don't wear scrubs. plenty of non-nurses wear scrubs (doctors, orderlies, childcare workers, vet's offices)."

Dr. Fink from Prince and the Revolution circa 1985
#78
September 26, 2011 10:20 AM - Biff Champion
"so yes, i would be able to afford my newports. well... if i had a vagina"

Rob, all you need is a few thousand dollars cash and an airplane ticket to Thailand.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:20 AM
#79
September 26, 2011 10:20 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
plenty of nurses don't wear scrubs. plenty of non-nurses wear scrubs (doctors, orderlies, childcare workers, vet's offices).

lol oh yeah. when i was at the vets office with duke a week or so ago i was terrified cuz one of the vet tech's was wearing scrubs!! i tried not to think about it much tho

*rob*

#80
September 26, 2011 10:22 AM - CGar
I'm applying to be a contestant on Survivor next season...if Edna Ma returns...
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:22 AM
#81
September 26, 2011 10:22 AM - Biff Champion
Rob, maybe you would feel better if your nurse was dressed like this?
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:22 AM
#82
September 26, 2011 10:22 AM - Deleted
*Rob*

Do you realize that you walked right past me yesterday evening? I was walking along 4th Ave and Union St. with my wife (near the subway station) and you whizzed right by us. By the time I realized that it was you, you were past us. You look upset or pre-occupied too, so I didn't want to bother you.
#83
September 26, 2011 10:23 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i think it needs to be a functioning vagina that's also attached to a working womb, biff.

*rob*

#84
September 26, 2011 10:24 AM - Biff Champion
"i think it needs to be a functioning vagina that's also attached to a working womb, biff."

I'm sure, for the right price, some surgeon's provide womb service, as well.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:24 AM
#85
September 26, 2011 10:24 AM - minard lafever
what happened to the politics?
can we talk about how the Republican primaries are turning into a game of who can be a bigger mean-spirited, racist prick?
The republicans are turning into the hate party. Keep this up and Obama will sail into a second term.

#86
September 26, 2011 10:27 AM - Deleted
as a moderate not happy with obama, the current republican candidates are doing nothing except pushing me further and further away from them.
#87
September 26, 2011 10:27 AM - BoerumHillScott
At this point, the election is the Republicans' to loose, and I think they are quite qualified to do so.
#88
September 26, 2011 10:28 AM - dibs
dh, how's it going with the smoking????
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:28 AM
#89
September 26, 2011 10:28 AM - Deleted
"can we talk about how the Republican primaries are turning into a game of who can be a bigger mean-spirited, racist prick?

Sorry Minard, I'd love to join such a "discussion", but I've got better things to do today (root canal work, for one). But please go ahead, others here will be pleased to join you. Nothing like a political "discussion" on the OT that amounts to "The other side is totally amoral, my side is the moral conscience of the nation". It's very productive.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:28 AM
#90
September 26, 2011 10:28 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
im completely oblivious to my surroundings most of the time when im perambulating around, benson. im shocked i dont get hit by cars more often.

*rob*

#91
September 26, 2011 10:29 AM - dibs
Imagine what NYC would be like if we never elected Guiliani!!!!!!!
#92
September 26, 2011 10:31 AM - Deleted
good dave - i cheated a little bit yesterday but back on the wagon today.
#93
September 26, 2011 10:32 AM - Deleted
It would really be a unique moment on the OT if the "racist" card was played here. Why, it's only been - what - 23 minutes since someone has been accused of that?
#94
September 26, 2011 10:32 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Imagine what NYC would be like if we never elected Guiliani!!!!!!!

not as moonfacey?

*rob*

Edited at September 26, 2011 10:32 AM
#95
September 26, 2011 10:34 AM - More4Less
G-Men!!!!!!!!! To my surprised, smacked / smashed them birds. "Dream" team my ass
#96
September 26, 2011 10:34 AM - dibs
I'm not sure where the racism comes in, Minard. Their stance on illegals isn't a race issue. Which candidates are racist????
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:34 AM
#97
September 26, 2011 10:37 AM - Arkady
General nit-picking alert: loose - not tight; lose - don't win.
#98
September 26, 2011 10:40 AM - MontroseMorris
"Sorry Minard, I'd love to join such a "discussion", but I've got better things to do today (root canal work, for one). But please go ahead, others here will be pleased to join you. Nothing like a political "discussion" on the OT that amounts to "The other side is totally amoral, my side is the moral conscience of the nation". It's very productive."

Oh, the irony.
#99
September 26, 2011 10:41 AM - minard lafever
alright, if we don't want to talk about current politics we can resume our discussion of scary medical scrubs.
benson, I have voted for republicans in the past. Guiliani for one and Pataki but I'm a little surprised at the current direction of the party leaders. It seems irrational and mean spirited. The only government function they seem to endorse is total support of Israel at all costs.
It just seems odd.

Edited at September 26, 2011 10:41 AM
September 26, 2011 10:41 AM - Slopefarm
OK, not that this discussion will go anywhere worthwhile in any circumstance, but perhaps we can stipulate to ignoring minard's use of the word "racist" and just focus on whether the republican primaries are, in minard's words, turning into a game of who can be a bigger mean-spirited prick.
September 26, 2011 10:42 AM - Deleted
Montrose;

Try some new bait.
September 26, 2011 10:44 AM - dibs
If i were to call Democrats names like "mean spirited pricks" I'd get called out by many here and, in the case of one, be labelled a racist since it was determined that Democrats are actually a protected category!!!!!!



September 26, 2011 10:47 AM - Deleted
Slopey and Minard;

In my way of thinking, there is nothing more disingenuous than analyzing the opposition's primary. I do not wish the Democrats to win, so I don't pretend that I find a candidate "appealing", or pretend that I'm offering "advice" to the opposition.
September 26, 2011 10:47 AM - denton
Actually, supermarket cashiers are generally unionized and not paid all that badly, considering.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:47 AM
September 26, 2011 10:47 AM - Slopefarm
Well, I was right. This won't be a worthwhile discussion.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:47 AM
September 26, 2011 10:48 AM - dibs
Not with you calling people mean spirited pricks it won't, Slopey.
September 26, 2011 10:49 AM - MontroseMorris
"Montrose; Try some new bait."


Speak for yourself. You brought it up.
September 26, 2011 10:50 AM - minard lafever
I think the anti-immigrant thing is totally racist. Many believe that too many "of them" will dilute the gene pool. It's not so much about law and order, if it were, they would want to put in place legal means of immigration so that people could be properly registered, and have proper ID etc. But they don't want legal immigration they want to keep brown skinned people out. They want a wall.
September 26, 2011 10:51 AM - Biff Champion
If not racist, maybe homophobic?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-04-23-santorum-excerpt_x.htm

"AP: I mean, should we outlaw homosexuality?

SANTORUM: I have no problem with homosexuality. I have a problem with homosexual acts. As I would with acts of other, what I would consider to be, acts outside of traditional heterosexual relationships. And that includes a variety of different acts, not just homosexual. I have nothing, absolutely nothing against anyone who's homosexual. If that's their orientation, then I accept that. And I have no problem with someone who has other orientations. The question is, do you act upon those orientations? So it's not the person, it's the person's actions. And you have to separate the person from their actions.

AP: OK, without being too gory or graphic, so if somebody is homosexual, you would argue that they should not have sex?

SANTORUM: We have laws in states, like the one at the Supreme Court right now, that has sodomy laws and they were there for a purpose. Because, again, I would argue, they undermine the basic tenets of our society and the family. And if the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does. It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution, this right that was created, it was created in Griswold — Griswold was the contraceptive case — and abortion. And now we're just extending it out. And the further you extend it out, the more you — this freedom actually intervenes and affects the family. You say, well, it's my individual freedom. Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong healthy families. Whether it's polygamy, whether it's adultery, where it's sodomy, all of those things, are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family."
September 26, 2011 10:55 AM - dibs
"Dilute the gene pool" What are you, crazy, Minard.

that's the most laughable viewpoint I've heard in ages and truly pathetic. I guess Jeb Bush diluted his!!!!!
September 26, 2011 10:55 AM - Biff Champion
A couple more gems from Rick:

“But what I can say is that the state is not doing a service to the child and to society by not putting that child in a home where there is a mother and a father. This is common sense. This is nature. And what we’re trying to do is defy nature because a certain group of people want to be affirmed by society. And I just don’t think that’s to the benefit of society or to the child.” (2011)

“Is anyone saying same-?sex couples can’t love each other? I love my children. I love my friends, my brother. Heck, I even love my mother-?in-?law. Should we call these relationships marriage, too?” (2008)
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:55 AM
September 26, 2011 10:55 AM - dibs
Sodomy sometimes undermines the fabric of my sheets. Not sure about society.
September 26, 2011 10:56 AM - MontroseMorris
Santorum is a nutball. Even a lot of Republicans can agree on that. We have real problems in this country, and he wants to waste time worrying about what consenting adults are or do in their private lives. Talk about the government intruding into people's lives.
September 26, 2011 10:57 AM - minard lafever
I think public disdain for Homosexuals, Latinos, and public employees, is not the most winning strategy to win the white house.
This is not so much a criticism as it is a surprised observation as I witness a major party self-destruct.

September 26, 2011 10:58 AM - Slopefarm
benson, along the lines of your comment, I actually am opposed to rules in certain states that allow either open primaries or for independents to vote in party primaries. Parties are an exercise of free association and I think the decision as to who ought to represent that asociation in an election should be left to those who choose to associate with the party. As a registered dem, I would never want or claim the right to vote in a GOP primary.
Also, apart from my recent attempt at a humorous comment about how Huntsman is an attractive candidate given his knowledge and appreciation of the works of Captain Beefheart, I would never put myself in the position of advising who I think the GOP ought to run. But I do not see why I ought to be prohibited from commenting as an observer of US politics on the campaign for US president or the candidates who are running and my observations of them or the significance for US politics. As is the case in almost any contested primary on either the dem or GOP side, there is a tendency for candidates to go at each other and try to expose weaknesses, not to mention simply state their own views and try to explain those views and how they set the candidate apart from others. Are you saying that these are entirely private matters to registered republicans and that no one else has any business commenting?



September 26, 2011 10:59 AM - DeLepp
The primary process is acting just as it should. Maybe it will spur the 46% of adults who don't vote to join in the election process for 2012.
September 26, 2011 10:59 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i think it's moreso the fact that with immigration it's usually the trashiest and poor that actually come here, no? tho i think it's always been that way since the beginning of america. we take the worlds trashiest citizens.

*rob*

September 26, 2011 11:00 AM - dibs
Not all republicans feel that way, Minard. Your overgeneralizations don't win you any awards in the logic department.

You're beginning to sound rather like a nutjob, yourself.
September 26, 2011 11:01 AM - Slopefarm
"Not with you calling people mean spirited pricks it won't, Slopey."

Not my words, dibs. And, if you read my whole email, I expressed pessimism about the discussion no matter what. I just didn't want to read an hour on whether minard should have used the word racist. Lots of acrimony going nowhere.

Edited at September 26, 2011 11:01 AM
September 26, 2011 11:01 AM - MontroseMorris
It's an amazing sort of paranoia, Minard. All of those people coming across the border are doing jobs that Americans, of any race, creed or color, have decided they will not do. Yet they complain that illegals are taking their jobs. Jobs they don't want. Everyone needs a scapegoat, and needs someone to be either beneath them, or to blame for their troubles.
September 26, 2011 11:02 AM - BoerumHillScott
I always thought analyzing presidential primaries to be something of a national past time. The cycle there is only one party having them, so that's where the focus will be.

Not everyone has already made up their mid which party they will vote for.
Personally, I am almost certain I will vote Democratic, but that is more because of the type of candidate I expect to get the GOP nomination than it is any sort of loyalty to Obama or the Democratic party.

September 26, 2011 11:04 AM - dibs
I had two illegal Hondurans cleaning out a stream bed of rock and large stones for 12 hours over the course of two days. I'd never be able to get any "real Americans" to do that. MM is right.
September 26, 2011 11:06 AM - Deleted
Slopey. No disagreement with you. Folks are free to comment on whatever they want. However, I also reserve the right to characterize their "advice". When I see that someone is playing the "They are all racist, homophobic nutjobs on the other side "card and "they should consider candidate "x' (who just happens to think the most like me)", I call it like I see it: disingenuous "advice".
September 26, 2011 11:06 AM - Slopefarm
Santorum's going nowhere as a candidate. Can't see spending much time discussing his candidacy. His google problem is a more interesting issue in that, as the belated NYT article suggests, the ordinary operation of search engines can have profound impacts on public figures, private lives, and businesses.
September 26, 2011 11:06 AM - MontroseMorris
"MM is right."

Thank you, Dave. Now just keep repeating that over and over, and all will be well.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:06 AM
September 26, 2011 11:06 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: These occupy wall street protest are serious and are getting absolutely no media coverage. Wtf!?
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:06 AM
September 26, 2011 11:09 AM - CGar
"Santorum's going nowhere as a candidate."

But, he has a future as a musician...
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:09 AM
September 26, 2011 11:09 AM - dibs
Santorum and Bachmann aren't worth talking about; unless we can amuse ourselves by that, like with Joe Biden.
September 26, 2011 11:10 AM - dibs
"These occupy wall street protest are serious and are getting absolutely no media coverage. Wtf!?"

SERIOUS???? About what??? is there a cohesive message or just a bunch of "anarchist" chanting about Wall Street.
September 26, 2011 11:11 AM - Arkady
randi - Quite a few were arrested over the weekend - big story in the Times.
It's a rare topic that a thinking person doesn't have an opinion about - for my part it happens mainly if someone wants to know the best route to a place I've never heard of or a review of a show I haven't seen.
September 26, 2011 11:14 AM - Deleted
Let me restate my point in another way. Since as long as I've been voting, I've heard this type of criticism. In 1980, the same exact "refrain" was heard: "Oh the Republicans are going to nominate that racist nutjob Ronald Reagan!!!!! The party is being handed to the extrmists!!!! Why can't they nominate someone sensible and in the "center" like John Andersen (sp?)????? "

In that case, however, Andersen took their "advice" seriously and broke from the Republican party to run as 3rd-party candidate. His candidacy went nowhere, even by 3rd-party standards. In the meantime, Ronald Reagan won by a solid majority.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:14 AM
September 26, 2011 11:15 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i dont think it's that people dont want to do those jobs, it's the fact that most people dont want to work for peanuts and be exploited.

*rob*

September 26, 2011 11:15 AM - Arkady
Once is enough, benson. In fact, more than enough.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:15 AM
September 26, 2011 11:16 AM - dibs
LOL, I deleted benson's second post lest someone call him a nutjob, as Arkardy practically did!!!! :P
September 26, 2011 11:16 AM - dibs
And he's right about Reagan back than.
September 26, 2011 11:17 AM - Deleted
Sorry about that second post.
September 26, 2011 11:17 AM - Arkady
I still think Reagan was suffering altzheimer's the entire time he was in office.
September 26, 2011 11:17 AM - minard lafever
dave your usual response to people who disagree with you is that they either "don't get it" or that they are nut jobs.

September 26, 2011 11:18 AM - Arkady
Look at the white wash job they're doing on his 'library'. No references to malfeasance w/ Iran/Contra, etc. The man was a total nut job.
September 26, 2011 11:18 AM - dibs
Well, then Obama's suffering from something as well. Narcisism would be a start.
September 26, 2011 11:18 AM - Biff Champion
A nutjob can be a good thing, if done well.

September 26, 2011 11:18 AM - MontroseMorris
"I still think Reagan was suffering altzheimer's the entire time he was in office."

Yep.
September 26, 2011 11:19 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
yeah that wall street protest... i took a gander. ALL moonfaces

*rob*

September 26, 2011 11:21 AM - Biff Champion
"The man was a total nut job."

Being a total nut job takes balls. What should we have done, sac him?
September 26, 2011 11:22 AM - CGar
"Santorum and Bachmann aren't worth talking about; unless we can amuse ourselves"

Rick gives good ice cream...
September 26, 2011 11:23 AM - MontroseMorris
All presidents are to an extent, narcissists. It takes a tremendous ego and self confidence to think you have what it takes to lead this country. Obama, like 99% of them, has a healthy ego. That's not a bad thing until it means that you don't listen to good advice that contradicts your own opinions. I'd say, in that regard, certain other presidents are far more narcissistic.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:23 AM
September 26, 2011 11:23 AM - minard lafever
The anti-immigrant hate is a recurring theme in American History. The Irish, the Jews, the Asians, they all had their day of being scapegoats. What makes this so unusual is that we have always had more or less an open border with Mexico, ever since the border was moved south that is. Now all of a sudden the poor immigrant workers are a threat to our way of life, I can't support a politician of any party who exploits that nativitist prejudice to win office.
September 26, 2011 11:23 AM - Slopefarm
Nothing to add; I deferens to biff's comment.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:23 AM
September 26, 2011 11:23 AM - dibs
LOL, when are candidates ever going to learn to not put things in their mouths like that when anywhere in public!!!!?????
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:23 AM
September 26, 2011 11:23 AM - Kensingtonian
"i think it's moreso the fact that with immigration it's usually the trashiest and poor that actually come here, no? tho i think it's always been that way since the beginning of america. we take the worlds trashiest citizens."

*rob*

Yeah, Albert Einstein was definitely one of the trashiest America has ever accepted.


September 26, 2011 11:24 AM - BoerumHillScott
I wonder how many decades will pass before the emotions surrounding Regan begin to die down.

I think his legacy is incredibly complex and nuanced, and I would consider him more influential than any president since FDR (although LBJ comes close)
September 26, 2011 11:25 AM - Biff Champion
My personal experiences with immigrants is that the majority of them come to America with a determination to work hard and create a better life for themselves and their families. Present company (myself) excluded with respect to being determined to work hard.
September 26, 2011 11:25 AM - CGar
"I deferens to biff's comment"

Slopey, you've got balls to do puns at this hour on a Monday.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:25 AM
September 26, 2011 11:25 AM - Bedstuymaven
"I still think Reagan was suffering altzheimer's the entire time he was in office."

I agree. I remember watching the presidential debate with Carter. He was rambling on about driving down the Pacific Coast Highway. I was about 15 or 16 at the time and even then thought something was wrong with him. He reminded me of the senior citizens we would visit in the home on the holidays.
September 26, 2011 11:27 AM - Slopefarm
I see I'm testing your patience, CGar.
September 26, 2011 11:27 AM - MontroseMorris
Amen, Minard.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:27 AM
September 26, 2011 11:27 AM - denton
Actually on the subject of immigrants, there's a free market theory that says illegals who've busted their ass across multiple borders, tunnels, and survived, will improve the gene pool over someone who just got off the plane with a green card.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:27 AM
September 26, 2011 11:28 AM - dibs
You people and your criticism of Reagan is really pathetic. if any of you had half his brains it'd be an improvement.
September 26, 2011 11:29 AM - Biff Champion
Slopey, your puns are going to put this discussion in a prostate position.
September 26, 2011 11:29 AM - CGar
That's a phallus statement.
September 26, 2011 11:29 AM - Biff Champion
A punfest right about now would cervix well.
September 26, 2011 11:30 AM - minard lafever
I voted for Reagan. He was good in many ways. Ended the Cold War. remember that minor item?

September 26, 2011 11:30 AM - Biff Champion
CGar, you're a pistil!
September 26, 2011 11:31 AM - Biff Champion
No need for personal attacks. Try to be genital in your comments.
September 26, 2011 11:32 AM - Biff Champion
Slogan for a female against gender reassignment surgery:

Vulva. For Life.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:33 AM
September 26, 2011 11:32 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: SERIOUS???? About what??? is there a cohesive message or just a bunch of "anarchist" chanting about Wall Street.

Whatever dave, you are just parroting back the same BS that was in the NY times article. The truth is that these protests are.the voice of what is shaping up to be a lost generation. These are not aimless anarchists, these are educated and well meaning young adults faced with a jobless economy run by greed and cronyism and they have had enough. I think this movement is going to grow and not just go away.
September 26, 2011 11:34 AM - Biff Champion
We can't underscore the importance of the next election.

This is a seminal moment in our country's history.
September 26, 2011 11:34 AM - Biff Champion
Punfest, party of one...
September 26, 2011 11:34 AM - More4Less
Come on Fat boy. Country needs you. please enter '12 race. I'm hating the current "lesser EVIL" race of lesser candidates
September 26, 2011 11:35 AM - More4Less
CGar, that model girl (on survivor) resembles you alot
September 26, 2011 11:36 AM - CGar
Read my lips...no new taxes once I'm in orifice.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:36 AM
September 26, 2011 11:36 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I got $100 Obama wins in 2012. Who wants to take me on?
September 26, 2011 11:37 AM - Biff Champion
Creative...

"At a press conference today at the under-construction Barclays Center, Jay-Z announced that the Nets will officially change their name to the “Brooklyn Nets.”"
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:37 AM
September 26, 2011 11:38 AM - dibs
And what are their points, specifically, randi??? Do you think any of them even undesrtand what role Wall Street plays in the economy and without Wall Street there would be no economy???

Please.
September 26, 2011 11:39 AM - minard lafever
I agree that Obama will win.
Romney has the best shot on the Rep side but his performance at the debates basically saying that children of undocumented workers should be thrown to the wolves was unconscionable. It made Perry look good, and that's not easy.

September 26, 2011 11:39 AM - CGar
Santorum's soda jerk...or proctologist
September 26, 2011 11:41 AM - Arkady
The right wing just keeps reproducing the same sad stories.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:41 AM
September 26, 2011 11:41 AM - dibs
I've got some guy from China trying to buy my house. Is that you m4l??????
September 26, 2011 11:41 AM - minard lafever
CGar comes up wit the best visuals.
September 26, 2011 11:42 AM - Biff Champion
Speaking of basketball, does anyone care about the lockout?

Hymen different.
September 26, 2011 11:42 AM - Slopefarm
I think it is possible to comment on Reagan's alzheimer's apart from his legacy as president. A presidency is both the president and his administration. If and to the extent Reagan was impaired by alzheimer's during his presidency, his admin continued to function and pursue his policies. My own view on Reagan and alzheimers is that it did seem in the later years of his presidency that he needed more prompting in public speaking and such. I imagine the assassination attempt took something out of him. But I think it is easy to read history backwards from the "doing all we can" Reagan to the earlier years of his presidency. Go back to tapes of the first campaign or the first few years and he sounds more forceful and clear. His was no doubt an important presidency, as Obama acknowledged during the campaign (and caught flak for so saying).
I, of course, disagree with much of what he did during his presidency, and I certainly do not credit him for ending the Cold War, but my criticisms would focus on policies and actions and would not blame his alzheimer's for them. I also think there were many times where he took a more moderate road than his rhetoric would suggest or either the political right or left would care to admit (tax policy is one such area). I say this not to enter into a day-long debate on reagan's legacy, but to try to put some distance between those kinds of questions and the alzheimer's issue.


September 26, 2011 11:42 AM - Deleted
Making predictions about an election that is more than one year away is fun, but useless. One year, indeed one month, is an eternity in politics.

Ask Hillary and Giuliani about that. Remember, they were the "sure things" last time.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:42 AM
September 26, 2011 11:43 AM - CGar
m4l, you think I resemble Edna Ma???
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:43 AM
September 26, 2011 11:43 AM - MontroseMorris
That Romney photo will not be making his family album. Embarrassing!
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:43 AM
September 26, 2011 11:45 AM - More4Less
DIBS, you'll know it's me when the offer is very low vs ASK.
September 26, 2011 11:45 AM - Biff Champion
I don't know about Edna Ma, but I wonder if DIBS has ever fantasized of being Yoyo Ma's cello...
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:45 AM
September 26, 2011 11:45 AM - Slopefarm
biff, I would continue the punfest, but I fear attack by the vas right wing conspiracy.
September 26, 2011 11:45 AM - More4Less
CGar, was referring to that tall young white girl on the team with Coach
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:45 AM
September 26, 2011 11:46 AM - CGar
"when are candidates ever going to learn to not put things in their mouths like that when anywhere in public!!!!?????"
September 26, 2011 11:47 AM - DeLepp
I'm not even sure the anarchists understand what they are protesting. Though I will admit that some of them have the whittest teeth I've ever seen.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:47 AM
September 26, 2011 11:47 AM - bxgrl
Amen to everything minard has been saying. As long as the republican Party bend to the will of the Tea Party, and don't yank their noses out of people's bedrooms, you'll see no improvement. It was an iconic moment when a debate audience booed a gay soldier. I'll never vote for anyone who thinks gays do not deserve the same rights and privileges as straights. Nor will I ever vote for people who think it's ok to mandate vaginal ultrasounds and other forms of privacy invasion on women. I think Obama will win (at least I hope so) because the republican candidate will scare the hell out of the majorty of the country with their vision of an anti-women, anti-gay, repressive, and overly "christian" society. Completely against the Constitution and ideals they claim this country is about.
September 26, 2011 11:47 AM - Kensingtonian
Dave, unless he is offering you half your ask, doubt it's M4L.
September 26, 2011 11:48 AM - More4Less
from visual of construction progress, am not confident it'll be ready for start of basketball season - ie if it starts on-time
September 26, 2011 11:49 AM - Arkady
Politics makes for strange runnin' gametes.
September 26, 2011 11:49 AM - CGar
She had to trim her speech for her last pubic address...
September 26, 2011 11:50 AM - More4Less
Kens, am not that bad. just 30% off ASK
September 26, 2011 11:50 AM - Arkady
Slopey - The state of Reagan's sanity is fertile ground.
September 26, 2011 11:50 AM - Biff Champion
"the republican candidate will scare the hell out of the majorty of the country with their vision of an anti-women, anti-gay, repressive, and overly "christian" society"

Unfortunately, I'm not so sure. Case in point, W's re-election.
September 26, 2011 11:50 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I can not speak for every protestor and I am sure there are more than a few crackpots (what protest doesn't have crazies?) But from the sane people I have heard interviewed its not about getting rid of wall street its about getting rid of the ties between corporate and political interests and creating a more transparent and just society that we can all succeed in. I know this goes against everything you have built your hedge fund empire on but to some these things actually do matter.

Edited at September 26, 2011 11:50 AM
September 26, 2011 11:50 AM - CGar
"CGar, was referring to that tall young white girl on the team with Coach"

Do you mean Elyse Umemoto?
September 26, 2011 11:51 AM - Slopefarm
"Making predictions about an election that is more than one year away is fun, but useless. One year, indeed one month, is an eternity in politics."

Agreed.


September 26, 2011 11:51 AM - minard lafever
I would watch more debates but really, when it comes to the republican candidates, vas deferens?


September 26, 2011 11:52 AM - Legion
Reagan had Alzheimer's during his terms in office?

...what's the current President's excuse? lol
September 26, 2011 11:52 AM - Slopefarm
Yes, arkady, but we'll never know what truly went on in the ova office.
September 26, 2011 11:52 AM - minard lafever
we can sperm all day on this.
September 26, 2011 11:53 AM - bxgrl
good point, biff but i think that was more because of the "patriotic" hyperventilating over 9/11. I heard the word patriot used and abused so many times it made me sick. Who is a patriot, who isn't, what you have to do to be a patriot. It was easier when being a patriot meant you could run fast holding a pigskin.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:53 AM
September 26, 2011 11:54 AM - Arkady
For once I agree w/ benson - It's early - in another year the cream will have risen to the top.
September 26, 2011 11:54 AM - dibs
Reagan had Alzheimer's during his terms in office?

...what's the current President's excuse? lol


Exactly. I made that very same point up above.
September 26, 2011 11:54 AM - bxgrl
"...what's the current President's excuse? lol"

uncooperative Republicans
September 26, 2011 11:55 AM - Deleted
Bxgrl;

You forgot to use the term "Teabaggers". Please step up your game.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:55 AM
September 26, 2011 11:55 AM - Kensingtonian
Eh, again with the swimsuit girls. One more pic of this nonsense and I wont be able to log onto this site anymore. Some of us still plan on keeping our jobs.
September 26, 2011 11:55 AM - bxgrl
I agree with benson on it being too early.
September 26, 2011 11:55 AM - Biff Champion
Is Legion trying to fetus a line?
September 26, 2011 11:55 AM - Legion
Immigration issue:

So if someone is for an orderly acceptance of immigrants into this nation as every other industrialized nation has,
that person is to be labeled a racist.

...yeah, that works.
Funny how I repeatedly hear the candidates say that they want to control the flow of ILLEGAL immigration,
not LEGAL immigration.

I wonder why it centers on Mexico? That must be racist of course.lol
Could it have something to do with the fact that Mexico is our Southern border and not Turkey for instance?


September 26, 2011 11:56 AM - bxgrl
oh, thanks benson. How could I have forgotten?
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:56 AM
September 26, 2011 11:56 AM - CGar
Foreskin and 20 years ago...
September 26, 2011 11:56 AM - dibs
Are Rosh Hoshanah and Yom Kippur unusually close together this year or always one week away????? Biff? CGar??? Slopey??? Jessi??? Buehler????? Any Jews??????
September 26, 2011 11:57 AM - Biff Champion
"Yes, arkady, but we'll never know what truly went on in the ova office."

That pun went ovarysy.

September 26, 2011 11:58 AM - Arkady
Glad we can maintain a civilized intercourse in this discussion.
September 26, 2011 11:58 AM - More4Less
Randi, I might take up $100 obama win bet. but I need to see you to make this bet else I wouldn't know how to track you down to pay it off later on
September 26, 2011 11:58 AM - bxgrl
"I wonder why it centers on Mexico? That must be racist of course.lol
Could it have something to do with the fact that Mexico is our Southern border and not Turkey for instance?"

Yet oddly, we aren't as frantic about Canada (I mean, Biff got in), nor the Middle east. Especially Saudis- and we know who the majority of terrorists were on those planes.
September 26, 2011 11:58 AM - minard lafever
some of the candidates can leave one prostate with fear.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:58 AM
September 26, 2011 11:58 AM - Legion
Really,
the Left here has to step up it's game when trying to ridicule the Republicans.
It's not like there aren't legitimate policy differences to be discussed,
like the joblessness, national debt, radical islam and foreign policy.

...oh yeah, the current President is failing on all those issues.
Let's get back to calling them racists then. That'll work.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:58 AM
September 26, 2011 11:58 AM - Biff Champion
Kens, there should be an option in your internet browser to block images from a website. Works like a charm for me. Just Google "block images website [your browser name]" and voila...
September 26, 2011 11:58 AM - denton
I was thinking about joining the demonstrators. When we get some smarter more focused people there I will.
September 26, 2011 11:59 AM - CGar
Anyone who dedicates their life to pubic cervix deserves a standing ovulation.
September 26, 2011 11:59 AM - Slopefarm
Dibs, RH and YK are always the same # days apart. RH begins Wed. evening this week and YK begins Friday evening of next week. The same # days always separate the two holidays. The issue each year is whether the holidays will be "early" or "late" -- they are apparently never right on time. Jewish calendar is total lunacy (yes, that's a pun) and I never try to figure it out.
Edited at September 26, 2011 11:59 AM
September 26, 2011 12:00 PM - Arkady
dibs - The 2 are related - sort of bookends - new year & atonement - always same stretch of time.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:00 PM
September 26, 2011 12:00 PM - More4Less
CGar, I prefer Maggie Q - since we're on Asia Fever now
September 26, 2011 12:00 PM - Arkady
There's plenty of womb under the big tent of the Democratic party.
September 26, 2011 12:01 PM - bxgrl
randi- good on you for presenting a positive take on the activists. I loved seeing old style activism in action again but I also think acting like it was Woodstock didn't help their message. The 60's are over and what worked then won't work now.
September 26, 2011 12:02 PM - Slopefarm
"Anyone who dedicates their life to pubic cervix deserves a standing ovulation."

Unless they don't stand firm on their principles and copulate to the opposition.

September 26, 2011 12:03 PM - More4Less
speaking of foreskin, etc, let's go REDSKINS. spank them boyz tonight
September 26, 2011 12:03 PM - Biff Champion
This is a very impotent discussion. Much more vital than debating which restaurant is for locals and which is a uterus trap.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:03 PM
September 26, 2011 12:03 PM - Arkady
They have a really broad pudenda.
September 26, 2011 12:04 PM - bxgrl
legion- if people are calling the republican Party racist maybe there's good reason. have you forgotten the Xmas cd sent out during the election of racist songs about Obama? All the comments that have been made? It also pays to remember that since he was elected the only priority of the republican party has been to get him out of office, not work with him to improve our situation. Calling him a liar during his first State of the Union speech? What does that tell you?
September 26, 2011 12:04 PM - Kensingtonian
Biff, doesn't matter if I hide images or not on my screen. I don't sit on a trading floor but if IT decides to flag anything with inappropriate images, this site will pop up regardless of whether I hide images in my browser options or not.
September 26, 2011 12:04 PM - More4Less
who the heck lives very close to slopey? this avatarlessness has taken long enough. someone go over to his house and let him use your laptop to load the avatar.
September 26, 2011 12:05 PM - CGar
I can't conceive that this election will go down the tubes for the Democrats.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:04 PM
September 26, 2011 12:05 PM - Biff Champion
Is that right Arkady? I haven't had a chance to glands at their vagenda.
September 26, 2011 12:05 PM - Legion
"Yet oddly, we aren't as frantic about Canada (I mean, Biff got in), nor the Middle east. Especially Saudis- and we know who the majority of terrorists were on those planes"

The Northern border is better controlled.
The drug cartels aren't busy chopping people's heads off along border towns up there.
Check out the recent headlines on the woman from Laredo.

That Southern border is crazy and nobody seems to know who's on the take. Corruption is rampant, drug money is everywhere and anything goes down there.
September 26, 2011 12:06 PM - dibs
OK, thanks. I knew they were lunar, like Easter and Chinese New Year.
September 26, 2011 12:06 PM - CGar
Kens, those were G-rated pics of Survivor contestants from the CBS website that I posted.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:06 PM
September 26, 2011 12:06 PM - Arkady
Don't be an ass, Biffy.
September 26, 2011 12:06 PM - Biff Champion
"The drug cartels aren't busy chopping people's heads off along border towns up there."

No, that's left to the hockey players.
September 26, 2011 12:07 PM - minard lafever
The wall street protestors are flaky but they have a good message, one that resonates with a lot of folks.
September 26, 2011 12:08 PM - Arkady
Congress is the organ of the people.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:08 PM
September 26, 2011 12:08 PM - Biff Champion
I prepuce we end this punfest now.
September 26, 2011 12:09 PM - Legion
bxgrl,
The fact that racism exists and in both parties mind you, is not the end of all discussion in politics.
To try to negate the ideas of an entire political party based on the moral failings of a few is akin to saying dogs are not good pets because people get bitten by them on occasion.

...the debate has moved beyond the race card.
This debate is about having an economically viable nation.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:09 PM
September 26, 2011 12:09 PM - Biff Champion
It's good to reflect back on past Presidents. Thanks for the mammaries.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:09 PM
September 26, 2011 12:10 PM - CGar
Butt out, Arkady.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:09 PM
September 26, 2011 12:10 PM - minard lafever
CGar wins best pun, public cervix(!) cute.
September 26, 2011 12:10 PM - Kensingtonian
Not work compliant G rated. I thought you should know that from working in Checkers/McDs.
September 26, 2011 12:10 PM - Biff Champion
Trying to decide what to have for lunch; hopefully something that will hit the g-spot.
September 26, 2011 12:10 PM - Deleted
"The fact that racism exists and in both parties mind you, is not the end of all discussion in politics."

That's news on the OT!!
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:10 PM
September 26, 2011 12:11 PM - Arkady
The Dems just want to construct a more perfect union.
September 26, 2011 12:11 PM - CGar
You want to nip the punfest in the bud so soon, Biff?
September 26, 2011 12:12 PM - Legion
...yes, the punfest is on the verge of getting other posters
s'ovary angry!
September 26, 2011 12:13 PM - Arkady
Why is the GOP voting down the stimulus & screwing us all?
September 26, 2011 12:13 PM - Legion
Gotta go to lunch,
Be back later.
September 26, 2011 12:13 PM - bxgrl
Legion- if that were true, why are so many of them talking about restricting women's and gay's constitutional rights, and pushing to break the wall between government and religion? They've offered more ideas and talk about hose issues than anything substantive. And the polls in general say a majority of Americans are ok with same-sex marriage, and want choice for women.
September 26, 2011 12:13 PM - minard lafever
It is very unfair and cruel to look back at the life of someone who suffers from alzheimers and say: oh he, she, had it all along.
There is a difference between forgetting things now and then and alzheimers syndrome.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:13 PM
September 26, 2011 12:14 PM - CGar
"Why is the GOP voting down the stimulus & screwing us all?"

Because they're boobs.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:15 PM
September 26, 2011 12:14 PM - Arkady
I'm running, too, to lunch.
September 26, 2011 12:14 PM - Biff Champion
This punfest is not something that can be fixed with duct tape.
September 26, 2011 12:15 PM - Biff Champion
I'm going out to find something to nipple on as well.
September 26, 2011 12:17 PM - minard lafever
I think there is a huge difference between the Republican party under Reagan and the Republican party today.
The republican platform today seems to be built on intolerance and xenophobia. It is a much diminished party from the days when it stood up to the Soviet Union and won. Who are they standing up today? The cleaning lady and her daughter? Disgraceful.


September 26, 2011 12:22 PM - minard lafever
I can't condom some of the comments Cgar has made.


September 26, 2011 12:27 PM - dibs
I'm trying to incorporate the word "smegma" into a pun but if i do I think it'll leave a foul taste in people's mouths
September 26, 2011 12:27 PM - GortFromPlanetX
I'm very a-dick-ted to this conversation i find it very tit-illating and milking it for all its worth
September 26, 2011 12:29 PM - CGar
It's breast that you protect yourself, Minard.
September 26, 2011 12:31 PM - Arkady
All this one up manship & tit for tat.
September 26, 2011 12:33 PM - bxgrl
Can it get mohel-lish than this conversation?

Welcome back Gort! :)
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:33 PM
September 26, 2011 12:33 PM - dibs
It seems that Harry reid is the problem. The House passed the bill and the Senate should have adopted it but won't. Democrats really need to learn that if more money is needed to pay for FEMA, it has to come from somewhere else.
September 26, 2011 12:35 PM - GortFromPlanetX
Hi BXG! :)
September 26, 2011 12:36 PM - minard lafever
Cgar eggsactly!
September 26, 2011 12:37 PM - dibs
Zygote to get some lunch
September 26, 2011 12:37 PM - minard lafever
is this a pregnant pause?

September 26, 2011 12:38 PM - minard lafever
our undocumented alien from planet x is back!

September 26, 2011 12:39 PM - CGar
dave, since everyone in Congress is a pussy, we're all gonna get the shaft.
September 26, 2011 12:40 PM - CGar
Hey Gort! Good to semen like you here.
September 26, 2011 12:41 PM - GortFromPlanetX
It is good to see all here standing erect in their positions and convictions!

Hi ML just a drive by! :)
September 26, 2011 12:42 PM - minard lafever
I know what to get Dave for Christmas.
"Rat Island" is for sale in the bronx.
It is uninhabited and mostly underwater at high tide.
Perfect right?

September 26, 2011 12:44 PM - dibs
Why's that, Minard?
September 26, 2011 12:45 PM - minard lafever
Dave I know you will be looking for new real estate once you sell the house in Brooklyn. Check out Rat Island.

September 26, 2011 12:46 PM - bxgrl
dibs- why should the senate pass the bill because the Republicans want it? there are serious questions as to how to accomplish the offsets and where they will come from. More fighting- more feet dragging. Meanwhile people who need disaster relief go without. As someone said- disaster relief should not be tied to politics. So when you applied for disaster relief on your house in Bucks Co. you probably didn't care where the money came from, as long as you get it.
September 26, 2011 12:47 PM - GortFromPlanetX
Hi CGar! :-D
September 26, 2011 12:49 PM - dibs
This Chinaman is serious. He's contacting my lawyer. Apparently his daughter lives near me.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:49 PM
September 26, 2011 12:50 PM - Biff Champion
"This Chinaman is serious. He's contacting my lawyer. Apparently his daughter lives near me."

You don't say...
September 26, 2011 12:51 PM - dibs
Yes, yes, yes, bxgrl....spend more and more money with no regard to where it comes from. Sadly reality bites.
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:51 PM
September 26, 2011 12:51 PM - Slopefarm
Welcome, Gort! What a placenta prize to see you've joined the punfest.
September 26, 2011 12:53 PM - Slopefarm
"This Chinaman is serious. He's contacting my lawyer. Apparently his daughter lives near me."

Wait, is he making a lowball bid on the house or seeking an order of protection? If it's the latter, he hasn't been reading the OT.

September 26, 2011 12:53 PM - More4Less
DIBS, do some intel for CGar to see if the daughter is hot or not - don't worry if she has a bf or not as that won't stop CGar from pursuing
September 26, 2011 12:53 PM - dibs
I would have loved to have gotten FEMA money and then gone on TV to say how I paid illegal immigrants to do some of the work!!!!!


Edited at September 26, 2011 12:53 PM
September 26, 2011 12:56 PM - GortFromPlanetX
Hi Slopey I re-mammary you too! :)
September 26, 2011 12:56 PM - BoerumHillScott
Have the Democrats come up with any ideas for where the money should come from?

I don't think the federal government should be handing out disaster aid in the vast majority of cases.
What ever happened to local/state responsibility?


Edited at September 26, 2011 12:56 PM
September 26, 2011 12:57 PM - CGar
Hey, Scott. How did your class go this weekend?
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:57 PM
September 26, 2011 12:57 PM - minard lafever
I find it odd that Congress can appropriate all the money in the world to rebuild infrastructure in Iraq and Afghanistan but then start being frugal when it comes to doing things to improve the lives of Americans.

September 26, 2011 12:58 PM - dibs
That's a good place for that FEMA money to come from; or from the aid we send to Israel.
September 26, 2011 12:59 PM - Kensingtonian
Chinamen are taking over Brooklyn hardcore. All along the N train stop in Bensonhurst is all Chinese. There were 2 condos built on my gf's block in the past 2 years (about 80-100 apt combined) and 100% chinese bought (chinese broker and all).
Edited at September 26, 2011 12:59 PM
September 26, 2011 1:01 PM - More4Less
Kens, most of the big moneyflow for the Chinaman is going into Queens
September 26, 2011 1:03 PM - Deleted
Kens;
Where does your gf live (approximately)?
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:03 PM
September 26, 2011 1:03 PM - Kensingtonian
Really M4L. Like further into Queens? I don't go into Queens much but neighborhoods I've driven through recently (Forest Hills, LIC, Astoria) didn't strike me like having many Asians. I may be very wrong about this though. Don't have a clue. Just seeing what's going on in South Brooklyn.
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:03 PM
September 26, 2011 1:04 PM - Kensingtonian
Benson, right around the block from your stomping grounds. West 6th between O and P.
September 26, 2011 1:05 PM - rf
The Dream Act and the law Perry signed gives instate college tuition and state aid to college students who were brought to the U.S. by their undocumented parents. They are not now eligible for citizenship or legal residence. The Dream Act would give them a path to citizenship.
September 26, 2011 1:06 PM - More4Less
Kens, Elmhurst / rego park getting a little of the moneyflow but it's predominantly going into Flushing - building office bldgs, hotels, restaurants, super mkts,....
September 26, 2011 1:06 PM - Deleted
Kens;

Gotcha. Yeah, that part of Gravesend is becoming heavy-duty Chinese. Basically anything north of Kings Highway.
September 26, 2011 1:07 PM - bxgrl
Not to mention closing all those corporate tax loopholes and while we're at it. Let's get rid of those perks for all congressmen and senators- especially the cushy retirement and health care packages.
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:07 PM
September 26, 2011 1:07 PM - minard lafever
Flushing Queens is practically a part of the Korean Peninsula.

September 26, 2011 1:08 PM - dibs
More Chinese = More fun for me
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:08 PM
September 26, 2011 1:08 PM - Kensingtonian
Yeah the Syrians still have their stronghold south of Kingshighway but the minute you go past McDonald towards 86th, Chinese are in that territory too, all the way to Luna Park.
September 26, 2011 1:11 PM - Kensingtonian
Ya know, my coop is pretty diverse but surprisingly no Asians at all. Don't think I ever saw an Asian come to an open house (we had a couple of asian looking people from former solviet union 'stan countries but I don't consider them asians). Maybe because my neighborhood is just not on Chinamen's radar or something.
September 26, 2011 1:13 PM - More4Less
DIBS, if you ever meet up with Xing in Chinatown or making requests for him to bring food over - tell him to get the Szechuen food from Bayard (btwn Elizabeth & Mott). the Ma Po tofu is not as good as Grand but their other spicy dishes is very good. I recommend the spicy sliced pork w/ spicy garlic source, sliced beef & tendons, and the spicy diced chicken with the peppers. the last 2 dishes is shown on the picture menu at front of the store before you walk in.
September 26, 2011 1:14 PM - More4Less
Kens, am sure you've seen the Chinaman takeout delivery dudes in your bldg
September 26, 2011 1:16 PM - Biff Champion
It shouldn't be a surprise that Asians in our borough have become a lot wealthier since DIBS moved to Brooklyn.
September 26, 2011 1:20 PM - Biff Champion
One can always tell a touristy dim sum place in Chinatown...it's the one with the big pictures on the cart along with the English pronunciation of the items (e.g., Golden Unicorn).
September 26, 2011 1:21 PM - dibs
The Dems need to come up with alternative offsets for the new FEMA money. Just saying NO to any offsets is stupid and stubborn. Obama will take the blame.
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:21 PM
September 26, 2011 1:22 PM - Kensingtonian
M4L, lol, I am not counting those.
September 26, 2011 1:25 PM - BoerumHillScott
My favorite dim sum place does not have carts - it's all cooked to order.
While not quite as "fun," I find the food to be better.

It does have pictures on the menu.

September 26, 2011 1:27 PM - dibs
When you go to a go-go bar in Japan you get a book with pictures of what's on the menu.
September 26, 2011 1:32 PM - MontroseMorris
"like the joblessness, national debt, radical islam and foreign policy."

Radical islam? Really? Aside from being in two wars, and spending a gazillion dollars on ligit and bogus anti-terrorism stuff, what else are we supposed to do about "radical islam"? Put 'em all in camps? One Peter King is more than enough, we don't need more Republicans or anyone else as xenophobic running around ranting about "radical Islam".
September 26, 2011 1:32 PM - Biff Champion
BHS, where is that? I've also been to a few places where you order dim sum on a piece of paper provided (in Toronto). Maybe less fun, but also saves me from running all over hunting and gathering because I don't have the patience to sit around and wait for the food to get to me (especially when The Champs re hungry and grumpy).
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:32 PM
September 26, 2011 1:33 PM - dibs
Are you saying "radical Islam" is not a problem??? It is THE problem. Not Islam in general, just radical Islam.
September 26, 2011 1:33 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
A certain asshat is HOTD!
September 26, 2011 1:34 PM - dibs
WOW>>>>WHAT A FABULOUS HOTD........

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/09/house-of-the-day-311-stuyvesant-avenue/#disqus_thread
September 26, 2011 1:34 PM - More4Less
Biff, Dim Sum Go Go (right opposite that Chatham sq statue). opposite Golden unicorn. Red awning, 2 stories.
September 26, 2011 1:34 PM - dibs
I would sell to radical islamists if they had the money.
September 26, 2011 1:35 PM - dibs
Xing takes me to Dim Sum Go Go. I've always liked it. Plus it's clean and has better eye candy (NOT the staff though)
September 26, 2011 1:36 PM - BoerumHillScott
Nom Wah Tea Parlor on Doyers.

It used to be a real hole in the wall cheap dive, but the former owner's nephew took it over last year and did a huge renovation.

Now it's much more clean looking and has more customers, but I still find the food to be excellent and reasonably priced.
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:35 PM
September 26, 2011 1:36 PM - More4Less
DIBS, you think the Haters would come out of the woodwork to try to trash you and house?
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:36 PM
September 26, 2011 1:38 PM - petebklyn
I saw that announcement for auction for rat island. 2.5 acres zoned residential
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:38 PM
September 26, 2011 1:38 PM - dibs
I hope so, m4l...as we know, any publicity is good publicity. Plus, there's nothing else for sale in bed Stuy that's any good. The two buyers' brokers that have shown my house say that their clients are unrealistic.
September 26, 2011 1:38 PM - MontroseMorris
Since there has been disaster relief, this country has always worked it into the budget. Some years it's a river flowing out, other years it remains a lake. To all of a sudden act like it's never been there before, and expecting cuts to offset the cost of helping people shows a mean-spiritedness that is unparalleled. Most disaster relief takes place in traditionally Republican areas of the country, those people need to look at who they are electing to office - those who are working for them, or those who are working only for the party. No way is this Obama's "fault".
September 26, 2011 1:38 PM - More4Less
Mei Wah on bayard (& Elizabeth) is another good choice - it's kind of like a Chinese version of a diner.
September 26, 2011 1:39 PM - petebklyn
lesbi passed the boards!
September 26, 2011 1:39 PM - More4Less
DIBS, so that Chinaman buyer is low-balling you too??
September 26, 2011 1:40 PM - minard lafever
Dave's house shows very well. It really is a lovely house. Nice garden too.

Edited at September 26, 2011 1:40 PM
September 26, 2011 1:40 PM - CGar
"WOW>>>>WHAT A FABULOUS HOTD........"

If those walls could talk...
September 26, 2011 1:40 PM - dibs
"To all of a sudden act like it's never been there before, and expecting cuts to offset the cost of helping people shows a mean-spiritedness that is unparalleled."

What's unparalleled is that they have run out of money. If more money needs to be appropriated, it has to come from somewhere. To act otherwise is reckless.
September 26, 2011 1:40 PM - Deleted
I think the FEMA funding situation is Bush's fault.
September 26, 2011 1:41 PM - CGar
The kitchen is beautiful. Did he feel like he had to say something negative?
September 26, 2011 1:41 PM - dibs
He hasn't made any offer, m4l. He needs to get himself a lawyer. I don't have any real belief that he's a real buyer.
September 26, 2011 1:42 PM - BoerumHillScott
congrats to lesbi!
September 26, 2011 1:42 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Pete, tell Lesbi I said HAAAAAAAAAY! And congrats :-)
September 26, 2011 1:42 PM - CGar
Pete, congrats to lesbiman!
September 26, 2011 1:48 PM - MontroseMorris
Yeah, Dave, but who or what are "radical Islamists?" They aren't a country, they aren't a race, they aren't a single language group, for that matter. It's as vague as saying we have to defeat Communism, which led us to disastrous cases of backing fascist dictators who were much worse than the communists, which in part, has led to some of the "Islamist" mess we're in now. Take Iran, for example. Who gets to define "radical Islam"? What is the dividing line between tradition and religion? Is every Muslim with a skullcap a radical? Every woman in a scarf? Is everyone who practices their religion, which is pretty public in much of Islam, a radical? The line between fanatic and traditionalist is often fine, but there is a line. Unfortunately most people in this country do not know what that is, and I don't want people like Peter King telling other people who are "radical Islamists."
September 26, 2011 1:48 PM - Biff Champion
"WOW>>>>WHAT A FABULOUS HOTD........"

If those walls could talk...

Rewrite:

If those balls could talk...
September 26, 2011 1:48 PM - Slopefarm
Good luck with the house, dibs. I would not expect that any trash talk would lower the ultimate sale price. The widget certainly never did. But it is funny to see some of us old timers go back over there and act like RE shills. (At least you don't have recessed lighting!)

Congrats to lesbi!
September 26, 2011 1:50 PM - MontroseMorris
Congrats to Lesbiman!
September 26, 2011 1:51 PM - More4Less
DIBS, did you have to pay extra for HOTD?
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:51 PM
September 26, 2011 1:52 PM - Biff Champion
Pete, great news re: Lesbi...now do tell what kinds of prescriptions he'll be able to write!
September 26, 2011 1:54 PM - denton
dibs told stoner if he didn't do HOTD he wouldn't post anymore which would reduce clicks by 20%.
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:54 PM
September 26, 2011 1:54 PM - BoerumHillScott
Biff, I was thinking the same thing.
September 26, 2011 1:55 PM - denton
aapl down on claims that Ipad production being cut.
September 26, 2011 1:55 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Haha mr b totally pwnd dibs over his kitchen!!!!

Not.
September 26, 2011 1:56 PM - Biff Champion
From the Nom Wah Tea Parlor gallery...I'm sold


September 26, 2011 1:56 PM - Biff Champion
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh, and the food looks good too.
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:56 PM
September 26, 2011 1:58 PM - dibs
"What is the dividing line between tradition and religion? Is every Muslim with a skullcap a radical? Every woman in a scarf? Is everyone who practices their religion, which is pretty public in much of Islam, a radical? "

Like I said, all islamists are not radical. Did you not understand that. Not to recognize that something doesn't exist and not to seek it out and destroy it when it says it wants to destroy us is NOT a viable option. You can bury your head in the ground if you want to.
Edited at September 26, 2011 1:58 PM
September 26, 2011 1:58 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Biff, you lost me with that one. Pretty average all around.
September 26, 2011 2:00 PM - More4Less
Randi, what kind of talent are you rolling with / around nowadays?
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:00 PM
September 26, 2011 2:03 PM - dibs
As much as it pains me I gotta agree with randi on that talent assessment.
September 26, 2011 2:04 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I've been married for over a decade.
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:04 PM
September 26, 2011 2:05 PM - Biff Champion
Sorry Randi, is this better?
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:05 PM
September 26, 2011 2:07 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Oh man, im eating lunch over here! Just lost it....
September 26, 2011 2:08 PM - More4Less
those ladies look fine. aint calling them hot stuff but they look decent enough
September 26, 2011 2:08 PM - Biff Champion
"As much as it pains me I gotta agree with randi on that talent assessment."

They may not be the hottest women ever, but compared to some mid-Western tourists with whom I've shared a table at dim sum, I wouldn't complain. And it was from the actual Nom Wah Tea Parlor website. It was the best I had to work with...
September 26, 2011 2:08 PM - More4Less
Randi, I recall seeing different girls at your place during my takeout deliveries. Does your wife know????
September 26, 2011 2:09 PM - MontroseMorris
Dave, of course I realize that there are enemies of this country who are Muslim. I didn't wake up yesterday. Don't be disingenuous. However, to include "radical Islam" on a laundry list of policy points in a re-election is disturbing to me. It's a largely meaningless phrase, and moreover, weighed down with prejudicial and xenophobic baggage.
September 26, 2011 2:10 PM - Biff Champion
If Randi's been married for over 10 years, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't kick at least two of the Nom Wah ladies out of bed for eating rice crackers.
September 26, 2011 2:13 PM - dibs
So I suppose we are also not to speak of "organized crime" or "gangs" or anything else that may be sensitive to certain groups of people????

We must agree to disagree here because I most cerrtainly do think that "radical islam" is a talking point. It's also not a race thing...radical islamists come in all colors, as we've seen already.

I also think in this case, profiling is not only acceptable but needs to go further.
September 26, 2011 2:17 PM - Deleted
"So I suppose we are also not to speak of "organized crime" "

I grant you permission.

;-)
September 26, 2011 2:18 PM - dibs
Bene, benson, bene.
September 26, 2011 2:19 PM - Deleted
DIBS;

Just be careful, lest you find a horse's head in your bed.
September 26, 2011 2:21 PM - dibs
But I don't own a horse.
September 26, 2011 2:22 PM - More4Less
Biff, you have higher standards than I cause I dont have any reason to kick any of those 4 out of bed
September 26, 2011 2:23 PM - MontroseMorris
Dave, I #1, never said we couldn't talk about it, I said it shouldn't be a policy, when the definition of "radical Islam" is vague, value laden and full of ignorance.
#2, equating that phrase with "gangs" or "organized crime" is your take, not mine.
#3, And how should profiling "go further?" If "Islamists" are every race, gender, and nationality, then to be fair, EVERYONE should be a suspect. I think our profiling is nuanced enough, and if I were of Middle Eastern background, I'd think it was more than nuanced.
September 26, 2011 2:23 PM - Deleted
Would you prefer finding the sawed-off front end of your boat in bed?
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:23 PM
September 26, 2011 2:23 PM - CGar
There you go again, benson, with your slurs about the Jewish Mafia...
September 26, 2011 2:23 PM - dibs
That guy's not really my type but if it were closing time it might be another story.
September 26, 2011 2:24 PM - CGar
What guy, dave? Are you talking about the hasids I just re-posted from CraigsList?
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:24 PM
September 26, 2011 2:27 PM - dibs
Irish Mafia, benson. You wanna mess wit dis guy???????
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:28 PM
September 26, 2011 2:27 PM - dibs
The guy in the dim sum pic, CGar.
September 26, 2011 2:29 PM - More4Less
CGar, put down the alcohol. some deep breaths. 2 hard slaps to face. Are you back with us now?? Mentally???
September 26, 2011 2:30 PM - Slopefarm
Jewish mafia? The only offer we make that you can't refuse is to sell something 5% above wholesale (3% if paying with cash).
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:30 PM
September 26, 2011 2:31 PM - Slopefarm
P.S. that pic reminds me of Vincent Gigante in his "crazy act" days of bathrobe wanderings.
September 26, 2011 2:32 PM - CGar
m4l's mob...
September 26, 2011 2:32 PM - More4Less
Benson, just chop down his fig tree - no need to drive up & down to cut & transport his boat down to here
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:32 PM
September 26, 2011 2:32 PM - bxgrl
"Jewish mafia? The only offer we make that you can't refuse is to sell something 5% above wholesale (3% if paying with cash)."

really? I had no idea we were such a tough bunch! Makes me proud *sob!*
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:32 PM
September 26, 2011 2:32 PM - CGar
m4l's worst day at the office...
September 26, 2011 2:32 PM - Deleted
Does anybody remember Jackie Mason's solution to the budget deficit?

(Said in a heavy Jewish accent):

"Put 'em on commission!! That's right, put every congressman on commission. No surplus, no pay"
September 26, 2011 2:34 PM - More4Less
CGar, nah, I'm with the brownie crew
September 26, 2011 2:34 PM - dibs
mfl. NO SELF RESPECTING ITALIAN WOULD EVER CUT DOWN A FIG TREE
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:34 PM
September 26, 2011 2:35 PM - Deleted
"NO SELF RESPECTING ITALIAN WOULD EVER CUT DOWN A FIG TREE"

There you go with that profiling again!!

(On the other hand, it's true).

.
September 26, 2011 2:35 PM - minard lafever
I learned everything I know about the Jewish, Italian, and Irish mafias from the Godfather Movies, The Sopranos, and now, Boardwalk Empire.

Edited at September 26, 2011 2:35 PM
September 26, 2011 2:35 PM - bxgrl
Haaaa, benson! And he's right :)
September 26, 2011 2:37 PM - DeadCatBounce
I see we are really hitting our stride. Imagine the fights as the Presidential election is actually close.
There is no way ANY president could get reelected with 9+% unemployment as his legacy.
September 26, 2011 2:37 PM - Bedstuymaven
CGar - you have the best carton.


Edited at September 26, 2011 2:37 PM
September 26, 2011 2:38 PM - Deleted
The best movie about the Jewish Mafia in Brooklyn was the film "Once Upon a Time in America". Regarding the Italian Mafia, I would say "Donny Braco". I detest "The Sopranos".
September 26, 2011 2:38 PM - CGar
"CGar - you have the best carton."

Glad you like my package, BSM.
September 26, 2011 2:38 PM - bxgrl
DCB- it's not Obama's legacy any more than it would be McCain's if he were in office instead. Obama is not responsible for it and there isn't that much he can do without help from a whole lot of other people.
September 26, 2011 2:39 PM - CGar
Ixnay, BSM, the ewife's here!!
September 26, 2011 2:40 PM - dibs
well one thing I can say for sure is that McCain wouldn't have spent the first year of his presidency trying to get a healthcare bill through (it was not on his agenda so we know this with certainty) while the economy crumbled around him!!!!
September 26, 2011 2:43 PM - dibs
CGar, are you afraid of your ewife???? Shame.

Have you been able to get her to shop at that racy clothing store for Jewish women?????
September 26, 2011 2:43 PM - minard lafever
Once upon a time in America was a good movie.
never saw donny braco.
I thought the sopranos was brilliant, tho hard to watch sometimes.


September 26, 2011 2:44 PM - dibs
It was Donny Brasco.
September 26, 2011 2:44 PM - Deleted
One cannot have it both ways. It is worth remembering that McCain was leading in the polls until the Lehman Brothers fiasco. Obama took the lead thereafter and rode the issue of the economic catastrophe to the presidency. I am not stating that as a bad thing - that's the way the game is played. Likewise, the game states that Obama now owns the statistics.
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:44 PM
September 26, 2011 2:44 PM - More4Less
CHRISTIE CHRISTIE CHRISTIE
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:44 PM
September 26, 2011 2:45 PM - More4Less
I could also go with HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY
September 26, 2011 2:46 PM - Biff Champion
I think I found another group of pathetic losers who give us a run for our money.

http://www.weather.com/social/fullfeed/Brooklyn+NY+11201
September 26, 2011 2:46 PM - minard lafever
I kind of agree that there is not much the president can do to improve the economy during a down cycle. What brilliant thing did Bill Clinton do to create the great economy when he was president? It was an up cycle then. Most of his second term was spent dealing with stains on an intern's blue dress. Six months after he steps down, 9-11 happens. The man had good timing.


September 26, 2011 2:47 PM - dibs
The best lines in Donny Brasco were when they were talking about their Cadillacs and Al Pacino says he has a "bro ham"

And this one...

FBI Technician: What's forget about it?

Donnie Brasco: Forget about it is like if you agree with someone, you know, like Raquel Welch is one great piece of ass, forget about it. But then, if you disagree, like A Lincoln is better than a Cadillac? Forget about it! you know? But then, it's also like if something's the greatest thing in the world, like mingia those peppers, forget about it. But it's also like saying Go to hell! too. Like, you know, like "Hey Paulie, you got a one inch pecker?" and Paulie says "Forget about it!" Sometimes it just means forget about it.

Edited at September 26, 2011 2:47 PM
September 26, 2011 2:49 PM - BoerumHillScott
At this time in 1983, the unemployment rate was above 9%, and at the time of Regan's landslide the next year, it was still over 7%.
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:49 PM
September 26, 2011 2:49 PM - dibs
And when Reagan left, what was it??????
September 26, 2011 2:49 PM - Deleted
"I kind of agree that there is not much the president can do to improve the economy during a down cycle. "

Minard;

Question: did Obama make such a statement during the campaign? Or did he make folks believe that he had the solution?

If you play the game and wind up on the losing side, it's not manly to suddenly complain about the rules.
September 26, 2011 2:50 PM - Biff Champion
"The man had good timing."

What do folks think history will say about Alan Greenspan

A) Effective Chairman of the Federal Reserve?
B) Good timing
C) Dashing Ladies Man
D) All of the above
E) None of the above
F) A and C but not B, D or E
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:51 PM
September 26, 2011 2:50 PM - bxgrl
That's true, dibs. On the other hand, his handling of the crash as a candidate and his VP choice didn't bode well for what he would have done. No way to know if we would be in better or even worse shape. Unless he died and we had Palin for Presidnet. Then we would have been seriously f*cked.
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September 26, 2011 2:51 PM - denton
Actually minard, there were big worries about the budget deficit when CLinton came into office. He hired the right people and presented a credible plan to Wall Street, that included tax increases. The market went up, and Clinton delivered. He doesn't get all the credit, as you had the beginnings of a housing boom and an internet boom. But he did all the right things with the power he had.

I bet most people would love to get back the Clinton years right now, I know I would.
September 26, 2011 2:51 PM - dibs
Now there's one man I'd never want to have sex with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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September 26, 2011 2:52 PM - bxgrl
Yes benson, he did. And so did McCain. The whole campaign was about the economy basically. And McCain didn't do well in the debates on that issue either.
September 26, 2011 2:53 PM - denton
Greenspan will go down as Worst Chairman Ever. I couldn't believe when he once said that housing couldn't go down because it had never gone down nationally, only regionally.
Edited at September 26, 2011 2:53 PM
September 26, 2011 2:54 PM - Deleted
"What do folks think history will say about Alan Greenspan

Answer: poor taste when it comes to wife.
September 26, 2011 2:54 PM - CGar
Don't understand how he bagged Andrea Mitchell.
September 26, 2011 2:54 PM - minard lafever
benson, campaigning politicians always act like they are god. I will do this, I will do that, but most reasonable people know they are full of crap. Obama did manage to get health care reform pushed through, that's the Social Security of our time. FDR got enormous grief for Social Security and there are still those reactionaries (like Perry) who wish it had never happened and calls it a Ponzi scheme. How can I vote for someone like that for president? You know politicians are full of crap, but you at least want them to be sane.

September 26, 2011 2:55 PM - BoerumHillScott
Unemployment was a tad over 5 when Regan left.

Although Regan is not my favorite president, I think he led some important changes that set up the prosperity of the 90s.

My point in pointing out the unemployment stats is that it was worse the year prior to the election under Regan than it has been this year, but Regan was easily reelected.
The economy alone will not put the White House in the hands of a Republican.
September 26, 2011 2:55 PM - dibs
"Don't understand how he bagged Andrea Mitchell."


And you all wonder how I get so many young guys from Silverdaddies???????
September 26, 2011 2:56 PM - bxgrl
Have I mentioned I <3 U , minard? (avert your eyes, CGar).
September 26, 2011 2:56 PM - MontroseMorris
Obama thought that changing health care in America would accomplish many of the things we all want. It would reduce gov't spending on health care, make heath care concerns less expensive for the average person, and get insurance for the millions of uninsured. That, in turn, only helps them (us) personally, but would also lower costs in general, as emergency rooms stop being the place of last resort, and preventative care replaces emergency care. Medicine would be for people who needed it, not so expensive that you have to be rich in order to be well. Lastly, he wanted to modernize record and billing systems, and make it possible for people who were otherwise unable to get insurance, to not be rejected by insurance companies.

All of those goals were laudable. His mistake was being naive enough to think that entrenched and powerful interests would just go along with it, and not fight tooth and nail, through powerful lobbies and bought representatives of both parties. The bill that passed has very little of the original plan in it, and most of it isn't even law, and people will probably never be able to get health insurance. He didn't fail for "shoving Obamacare down our throats." He failed in properly judging how long established power in this country is entrenched and, well....powerful.
September 26, 2011 2:57 PM - Biff Champion
I like this quote:

“I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant”
? Alan Greenspan
September 26, 2011 2:57 PM - CGar
bxgrl, everyone here knows you're a tramp.
September 26, 2011 2:57 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Is it time.to ditch AAPL? ???
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September 26, 2011 2:59 PM - Deleted
Minard;

You are spinning. The essential point remains: if you campaign on the economy, then act like a president and a man and take responsibility for the statistics. Or did I miss Obama's campaign speech where he said (to the effect): "This economic fallout is not really President Bush's doing...?"
September 26, 2011 2:59 PM - dibs
All very true, MM. But it was not what he should have been focused on , and spent all of his political capital on, when the economy was so bad.

In fact, the healthcare plan made things worse. Yes it did. it put uncertainty into the minds of those running businesses and they curtailed hiring as a result.
September 26, 2011 2:59 PM - More4Less
As Steve Jobs like to tell the new batch of VP's at Apple each yr, janitors can have excuses but VP's are to make it happen. So whatever the reason, explanation, etc Obama can NOT avoid the blame for the lack of success so far. if the head man can't make it happen, time for someone else to have a crack. My only disappointment is current alternatives is not enticing at all
September 26, 2011 2:59 PM - Biff Champion
Is AAPL one of your core holdings?
September 26, 2011 3:00 PM - BoerumHillScott
Greenspan may go down as worst chairman ever due to the amount of press he has gotten, but I'd give the reward to Authur Burns who oversaw a period of high inflation and low growth.

Greenspan made a number of enormous screw-ups, especially at the end. However, he kept inflation low and stable while being at the helm for an amazing period of high growth.
September 26, 2011 3:00 PM - dibs
All the low hanging fruit in the move Apple has had is gone.
September 26, 2011 3:02 PM - CGar
Did someone say ditch apple?
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September 26, 2011 3:03 PM - dibs
CGar, don't be such a crab. it's as if you're rotten to the core.
September 26, 2011 3:04 PM - Arkady
Congrats to Lesbi!!!
Amazon is introducing a new iPad-like device this week & chances are it'll really undermine Apple from now to xmas.
September 26, 2011 3:05 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Not a core holding, more of a hobby.
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September 26, 2011 3:05 PM - Arkady
Stem the crop of puns.
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September 26, 2011 3:06 PM - minard lafever
benson, Obama is getting, and will continue to get, enormous grief for the economy as well as for many other things. Ordinarily his chances of re-election would be very unlikely, but given the Republican party's recent turn to the looney-tunes right and the uncharismatic characters behind the podiums at the debates. he has a very good chance of being re-elected. If the election were today, I would vote or him. He is not crazy or mean-spirited.

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September 26, 2011 3:06 PM - dibs
I'm chary of AMZN's new iPad but if anyone can succeed against Apple it will be them. No one else has. The problem is that, according to the analysts, they may gain market share but they will do it at a price point where they won't actuallly make any money.
September 26, 2011 3:06 PM - CGar
Peeling off so soon, Arkady?
September 26, 2011 3:06 PM - More4Less
am hoping that Amazon tablet is cheaper than the rumored $250 and it comes with subsidized 3G wifi connectivity
September 26, 2011 3:07 PM - Arkady
None of your sauce, CG
September 26, 2011 3:08 PM - Biff Champion
Should we keep doing apple puns?

I have a feeling a discussion of Bushel be no fun.
September 26, 2011 3:09 PM - minard lafever
I don't peel like buying Apple stock any more.


September 26, 2011 3:09 PM - Biff Champion
CGar and Arkady make quite a pare.
September 26, 2011 3:10 PM - minard lafever
shit cgar, you beat me to it.

September 26, 2011 3:10 PM - Deleted
Minard;

I think the un-employed and under-employed may have more on their mind than looney-tune bogeymen. As I said above, I do not make predictions about elections. Time will tell.
September 26, 2011 3:10 PM - Arkady
We could just have a plain fruitful discussion.
September 26, 2011 3:10 PM - minard lafever
these punfests are ill-concidered.

September 26, 2011 3:10 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
So, someone has planted the seeds for an apple punfest, heh? Don't let the rest of these losers worm their way out of it. And speaking of worms coming out, Arkady, got something you'd care to share with the class? :-)
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September 26, 2011 3:11 PM - Arkady
I'll slug you, Snapple!
September 26, 2011 3:11 PM - CGar
Peck something else, Biff, and the puns will blossom.
September 26, 2011 3:12 PM - dibs
Arkady has worms???? How do you know???? Was she rubbing her butt across the carpet??????
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:12 PM
September 26, 2011 3:13 PM - Biff Champion
I heard one can use green and red apples to make donuts.

So apparently all that fritters is not gold.
September 26, 2011 3:14 PM - Arkady
Don't make me blush, dibs, that tart has mudlared it up.
September 26, 2011 3:15 PM - Biff Champion
Less apple puns and more subway talk.

Have they reopened the Cortland Street station?
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September 26, 2011 3:15 PM - Slopefarm
Yes, in light of deadcat's comment, the interesting thing to me is not that Obama is taking heat with unemployment at 9%, but that Obama polls ahead of nearly everyone in the GOP field and is within statistical +/- against Romney. And that is before general campaign where the tires get kicked harder. I have my own criticsms of Obama's approach to the economy, though they are probably the opposite of what you republicans believe, but I do think that whoever the GOP candidate is will not be able to cast on gauzy bromides and will have to campaign on an alternative plan.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:15 PM
September 26, 2011 3:16 PM - Donatella
I was shot out of a cannon early this am - busy day.

Question posed by helpful GEICO assessor this am. Is the car worth the cost of repair? I found this to be particularly obnoxious and if GEICO doesn't pay (I think it was an academic question though still annoying) I will have to get a new car. Or not. I told the tale on the Weekend OT but my car was in a very serious 4 car accident at 4 am Sunday am. Thank God, I was not in it, but sleeping at home.

Good news: Cousin's kid finally got an apartment in Williamsburg. It got down to Craig's List for shares and then his "auditioning" for apartments. And getting rejected for a while. (God, how awful). But finally he found some like minded
young people and he is on the way to launching his New York Life. Good Luck to him!!!



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September 26, 2011 3:16 PM - Biff Champion
These puns pie in the face of Rob's request that we stop.
September 26, 2011 3:17 PM - Slopefarm
These puns are macoun me crazy!
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September 26, 2011 3:18 PM - dibs
Well the Solyndra thing gets more and more interesting. Seems that the billionaire who has the biggest stake in Solyndra was a huge contributor to Obama, hosted fundraisers and has been to the White House 16 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 26, 2011 3:18 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Arkady, such violence! I'm sure you'd like to slice and bake this line of questioning, but I think you can take the heat of this oven. Don't bake me tell the others in my own words!
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September 26, 2011 3:19 PM - Biff Champion
We need to make the apple puns more crisp.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:19 PM
September 26, 2011 3:20 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Right, Biff. They are a bit flaky at this point. And quite bruised.
September 26, 2011 3:21 PM - Biff Champion
Can someone let Lech know that Michael Moore will be on Piers Morgan tonight? I'm sure he wouldn't want to miss it.
September 26, 2011 3:22 PM - Biff Champion
Brooklyn made the photo of the day on CNN.


September 26, 2011 3:22 PM - minard lafever
These would make any grammarian turnover.

September 26, 2011 3:22 PM - Slopefarm
"We need to make the apple puns more crisp." i tried, but it didn't pandowdy so well.

September 26, 2011 3:23 PM - minard lafever
So are we through with the puns and Obama?
Cue Rob to come back and talk about nurses and pink hair.

September 26, 2011 3:24 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
These apple puns have become sauced. I hope and puree there's more you folks can come up with?
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September 26, 2011 3:24 PM - CGar
At least we made a Galant effort.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:24 PM
September 26, 2011 3:25 PM - minard lafever
wow DOW up 233 points, at this rate we will be back to 2009 any week now.

September 26, 2011 3:26 PM - dibs
Minard, it's a real barbell market....NASDAQ flat and most of the Russell 2000 were down. Short covering in banks
September 26, 2011 3:26 PM - minard lafever
is galant an apple or a car?

September 26, 2011 3:26 PM - Donatella


Pete, Congratulations to lesbi! That is great!! I really think that he will be wonderful at that role. I remember talking to him for half the night at the HotBird party we had. I was so fascinated by his ideas, his interest and dedication to that goal. What a great guy and good for him!!!!
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:26 PM
September 26, 2011 3:27 PM - Biff Champion
Now this is one beautiful city!
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:27 PM
September 26, 2011 3:27 PM - Donatella



Michael Moore's work is just so awful. Sorry. I am sure his mother doesn't think so.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:27 PM
September 26, 2011 3:28 PM - Biff Champion
"Minard, it's a real barbell market."

So I shouldn't weight to invest?
September 26, 2011 3:29 PM - CGar
Guess the apple punfest crumbled if Biff's surfing city porn.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:29 PM
September 26, 2011 3:29 PM - CGar
I'm training myself not to let you rope me into yet another punfest, Biff.
September 26, 2011 3:31 PM - Slopefarm
"Minard, it's a real barbell market."

"So I shouldn't weight to invest?"

Don't be a jerk. But talk to your rep.
September 26, 2011 3:32 PM - Biff Champion
Of all the punfests to miss, I can't believe Cobble isn't here for this one!!
September 26, 2011 3:32 PM - dibs
I'm not going to get Shanghaid into a city punfest....
September 26, 2011 3:34 PM - Biff Champion
"Don't be a jerk. But talk to your rep."

You're assuming I don't know squat.
September 26, 2011 3:35 PM - CGar
Glad you're being Praguematic.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:35 PM
September 26, 2011 3:36 PM - Biff Champion
Do you think the author of the Joy Luck Club is optimistic about the economy?

In other words, Istanbul-lish?
September 26, 2011 3:37 PM - Arkady
So we're leafing apples & going for seedies?
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:38 PM
September 26, 2011 3:37 PM - dibs
Where's dh???? I want to talk about music. There's been so much crap lately. Since the Summer has come to an end and I've heard all the pop crap on the radio, the ONLY good song was Adele's Rolling In The Deep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYEDA3JcQqw



September 26, 2011 3:38 PM - Biff Champion
Adele is no Irving Berlin.
September 26, 2011 3:38 PM - CGar
When in Rome, Arkady.
September 26, 2011 3:39 PM - Slopefarm
Who you Tallinn Praguematic?
September 26, 2011 3:39 PM - Deleted
dibs - if you want to here good music don't listen to the radio!!

adele is good though - everyone likes her. kinda like when alicia keys first came out.
September 26, 2011 3:39 PM - Arkady
Cities are soslow!
September 26, 2011 3:39 PM - Deleted
this has been a crummy summer for music, both for pop and the lesser known stuff i typically listen to.
September 26, 2011 3:40 PM - CGar
Canberranother punfest.
September 26, 2011 3:41 PM - dibs
I also saw this clip of Amy Winehouse and Tony Bennett singing Body and Soul...she was truly incredible...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OFMkCeP6ok
September 26, 2011 3:41 PM - minard lafever
Cgar, don't be such asissi.

Edited at September 26, 2011 3:41 PM
September 26, 2011 3:41 PM - Arkady
Mi a mi what a wonderful day!
September 26, 2011 3:41 PM - Slopefarm
Arkady doesn't Minsk words.
September 26, 2011 3:41 PM - CGar
Don't Minsk words, Slopey. Amman to you.
September 26, 2011 3:42 PM - CGar
Jinx, Slopey, LOL!
September 26, 2011 3:43 PM - Arkady
What a pisa work that video is.
September 26, 2011 3:44 PM - Arkady
I Mos cow for a while again. But it was a good Pun jab...
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:44 PM
September 26, 2011 3:44 PM - dibs
Confucious say it hurt when Bangkok on side of glory hole. Peking through it first is usually a good idea too.
September 26, 2011 3:44 PM - Biff Champion
I heard Amy's parents supported her early on.

Did her Mumbai that outfit in the video?
September 26, 2011 3:44 PM - minard lafever
I want the Lyon's share of an pie chart.
...wait, I'm getting the puns mixed up.

September 26, 2011 3:44 PM - Biff Champion
No question Amy had Seoul.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:44 PM
September 26, 2011 3:44 PM - CGar
Those who get Hanoi'd by puns should really do some Seoul searching.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:44 PM
September 26, 2011 3:45 PM - dibs
Goa way, Arkady.
September 26, 2011 3:45 PM - Biff Champion
Anyone tried the New Delhi on Atlantic?
September 26, 2011 3:45 PM - Slopefarm
LOL, CGar! Crimea river.
September 26, 2011 3:45 PM - Deleted
Oh no - they're at it again!
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:45 PM
September 26, 2011 3:45 PM - Biff Champion
What's for dinner? I was thinking of having some Campbell's Chongqing Soup.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:45 PM
September 26, 2011 3:46 PM - minard lafever
cgar you're too brilliant. you're dublin your stakes every day with these puns.

Edited at September 26, 2011 3:46 PM
September 26, 2011 3:46 PM - Biff Champion
Sounds like Benson wants to give us all a Karachi chop.
September 26, 2011 3:47 PM - denton
agree w benson, Obama owns the economy and he could have done more. I'm well aware of the complex reasons behind financial fiasco and that it's not Obama's fault. otoh he could have done more.
September 26, 2011 3:47 PM - Biff Champion
Benson, we pun every day. You'll have to learn Jakarta way.
September 26, 2011 3:48 PM - Slopefarm
"Anyone tried the New Delhi on Atlantic?"

I hear the chicken's good. Try the Brest. And there's a pretty Gdansk club next door.

Edited at September 26, 2011 3:48 PM
September 26, 2011 3:48 PM - Biff Champion
Benson, sounds like this punfest Tokyo by surprise.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:48 PM
September 26, 2011 3:49 PM - Biff Champion
Look at slopey, Tehran up the puns!
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:49 PM
September 26, 2011 3:49 PM - CGar
I keep getting Bern'd by duplicate puns.
September 26, 2011 3:50 PM - Biff Champion
You take the Cairo and I'll take the low road...
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September 26, 2011 3:50 PM - Biff Champion
Anyone bean to Lima?
September 26, 2011 3:51 PM - Biff Champion
Slutty Californian = Lahore
September 26, 2011 3:51 PM - minard lafever
nonsense cgar, your puns are Zu rich.
September 26, 2011 3:53 PM - Slopefarm
"I keep getting Bern'd by duplicate puns."

Kind of makes you Bristol, doesn't it? It's a Recife for disaster.

Edited at September 26, 2011 3:53 PM
September 26, 2011 3:53 PM - Biff Champion
I don't understand insulting French cities. Why would anyone kick the Cannes?
September 26, 2011 3:53 PM - Biff Champion
Havana put a stop to this already.
September 26, 2011 3:54 PM - minard lafever
these punfests are alright as long as no one loses their Tampa

September 26, 2011 3:54 PM - Slopefarm
"Why would anyone kick the Cannes?"

To Rouen it.
September 26, 2011 3:55 PM - minard lafever
"Havana put a stop to this already."
-Taos about it.

Edited at September 26, 2011 3:55 PM
September 26, 2011 3:55 PM - CGar
Ahwaz supposed to go away this summer, but my Algiers were too bad.
September 26, 2011 3:55 PM - DeadCatBounce
We need a "booth" dedicated to puns!!!!
September 26, 2011 3:55 PM - Biff Champion
This punfest stinks. It could use a spritz of Cologne.
September 26, 2011 3:56 PM - Biff Champion
You're all a bunch of Damascus!
September 26, 2011 3:56 PM - dibs
I've been Harbin on this for a while now...NO NEW TEXAS
September 26, 2011 3:57 PM - Slopefarm
Dallas about it, dibs.
September 26, 2011 3:57 PM - rf
Dona, I was once hit by a passing driver while parked. The driver's insurance company (Allstate) said the car wasn't worth repairing and they gave me the book value of the car. I had it fixed for much less so it was a great deal for me! Here's the Kelley Blue Book site for value:
http://www.kbb.com/whats-my-car-worth/
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:57 PM
September 26, 2011 3:57 PM - Biff Champion
It's been Nice, but I have Dubai a snack now.
September 26, 2011 3:57 PM - dibs
I'll be right back. I gotta go pattaya
September 26, 2011 3:57 PM - CGar
Good thing I keep a Brest of geography.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:57 PM
September 26, 2011 3:58 PM - Biff Champion
DIBS has a Taipei personality.
September 26, 2011 3:58 PM - Slopefarm
Seems like dcb can't beirut anymore.
September 26, 2011 3:58 PM - minard lafever
OMG Dave, that's a perfect Obama slogan if he runs against Perry
NO NEW TEXAS!!!

Edited at September 26, 2011 3:58 PM
September 26, 2011 3:59 PM - CGar
Slopey, your Billings must be way down today.
September 26, 2011 3:59 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Dona, no doubt michael Moore has played himself out, but you should give Roger and me, bowling for columbine and fahrenheit 911 another chance. The first two are truly masterpieces of documentary filmmaking.
September 26, 2011 3:59 PM - rf
I love hearing from the Carol Palladino boosters here.
Edited at September 26, 2011 3:59 PM
September 26, 2011 4:00 PM - dibs
LOL....Christie vetoed $420,000 in film tax credits to "Jersey Shore"
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:00 PM
September 26, 2011 4:00 PM - Biff Champion
Anyone seen Kabul Hiller today?
September 26, 2011 4:00 PM - CGar
Venice Arkady coming back?
September 26, 2011 4:01 PM - Deleted
agree with randi - michael moore went totally psycho around farenheit 911 - bowling for columbine and roger and me are great documentaries.
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:01 PM
September 26, 2011 4:01 PM - dibs
I Moscow now.
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:01 PM
September 26, 2011 4:02 PM - Slopefarm
Yeah, but I gotta stop and get to work. The Bozeman wants a memo by the end of the day.
September 26, 2011 4:03 PM - CGar
Yaounde bet *rob* will think this punfest is Moroni-c.
September 26, 2011 4:03 PM - Slopefarm
P.S. Alberta your Billings are down, too.
September 26, 2011 4:04 PM - minard lafever
I would like to join the mud slinging but I'm dresden in business attire.

Edited at September 26, 2011 4:04 PM
September 26, 2011 4:04 PM - Biff Champion
It's unfortunate people were trying to give Islamabad name before.
September 26, 2011 4:04 PM - dibs
OMG...the What just complemented my house.
September 26, 2011 4:05 PM - CGar
As long as you Hannover the memo by day's end, Slopey, what's the big Deal?
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:05 PM
September 26, 2011 4:05 PM - Biff Champion
Is that Khartoum character still around?
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:05 PM
September 26, 2011 4:07 PM - Deleted
i think he was trying to be creepy - saying he's been at your front door before (possibly now)
September 26, 2011 4:09 PM - Deleted
"I love hearing from the Carol Palladino boosters here."

Was there a sex change operation? Rf, where's the requisite NYT link?

.
September 26, 2011 4:09 PM - CGar
Maybe we should Quito while we're ahead.
September 26, 2011 4:09 PM - Biff Champion
I thought DIBS preferred his men enter via his back door.
September 26, 2011 4:10 PM - CGar
Idaho how he got by the censors over there.
September 26, 2011 4:11 PM - CGar
And, yes, I Nome "Idaho" isn't a city, but I Anchorage you to expand your horizons.
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:11 PM
September 26, 2011 4:11 PM - denton
Made almost 6% on that SLV today, closed out at the close.
September 26, 2011 4:11 PM - minard lafever
dh, that is creepy.


September 26, 2011 4:13 PM - minard lafever
idaho isn't a city?
Raleigh? Alaska a native.

September 26, 2011 4:16 PM - Deleted
Question:

is it safe to store liquids in crystal for long periods of time? i've seen varying information online. have a waterford crystal decanter i'd like to store booze in.
September 26, 2011 4:18 PM - dibs
I don't think modern day crystal uses lead anymore. But it's a good question.
September 26, 2011 4:19 PM - More4Less
mkt up big today. guess, weathermen should be making the daily predictions as this mkt is just at unpredictable as the weather
September 26, 2011 4:20 PM - Arkady
dh - The Fair fax are that it's a bad idea - lead leeches into the liquid: esp. strong spirits
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:20 PM
September 26, 2011 4:21 PM - dibs
DOW was up big, not overall market.
September 26, 2011 4:21 PM - minard lafever
I don't think so Dave, good lead crystal is still made with lead. That's what gives it the clarity. Whether any of it leeches out over time is a question.
I would imagine it is a trace amount only.

September 26, 2011 4:22 PM - Arkady
Genoa what they say, better safe than sorry.
September 26, 2011 4:23 PM - dibs
Put a Cork in it, Minard.
September 26, 2011 4:24 PM - Arkady
NY Times Science Q&A:

Q. Is it safe to drink from our lead crystal wine glasses?

A. It is probably safe to have wine with dinner from your glasses, though varying trace amounts of lead do leach out of lead crystal, as a Columbia University study found in 1991. Those researchers estimated that the lead released in the course of a meal posed a negligible risk.
Canadian government tests also found that the amount of lead released into a glass of wine in the time a meal can be eaten is well below the Canadian maximum allowable concentration of lead in a beverage, 200 parts per billion.
However, there is a more than negligible danger when liquor, wine or other acidic liquids like fruit juice are stored in a lead crystal carafe or decanter. The lead released builds up over time and can reach 100 times the allowable level after weeks or months, Canadian researchers said. Therefore experts almost universally warn against using lead crystal for storing wine, liquor or any acidic beverage.

Edited at September 26, 2011 4:24 PM
September 26, 2011 4:24 PM - Bedstuymaven
Don't understand how he bagged Andrea Mitchell

CGar - He invited her over to etchings
September 26, 2011 4:25 PM - Bedstuymaven
over to see his etchings
September 26, 2011 4:27 PM - CGar
Arkady, I read your post, but Genoa Canadian who isn't full of Bologna?
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:27 PM
September 26, 2011 4:28 PM - Deleted
thanks arkady. boo, i guess i'll play it safe and leave the booze out

it was getting good use for a while as a storage container for my roachitos...but alas, no longer.
September 26, 2011 4:28 PM - dibs
I think Crystal Carrington stored more than her fair share of liquor.
September 26, 2011 4:30 PM - denton
"is it safe to store liquids in crystal for long periods of time? i've seen varying information online. have a waterford crystal decanter i'd like to store booze in."

DH, I seriously doubt if you have your booze around long enuf to worry about lead poisoning.
September 26, 2011 4:31 PM - Biff Champion
DH the baller
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:31 PM
September 26, 2011 4:33 PM - dibs
I Moscow now. I'm meeting a Chinaman and he's gonna Kissimmee nice and then have his way with me in a not-so-nice way!!!
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:33 PM
September 26, 2011 4:36 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Dave, does it kill you to be selling for only 30khas over what you bought for?
September 26, 2011 4:36 PM - Donatella
rf, it turns out that the value is above the repairs. I pretty much knew that, but I guess the guy had to say it. That makes sense, though what you say. You can get way lower if you look around. GEICO gives a lifetime guarantee, whatever the hell that means, on the repair work. Thanks.

I find that I like punfests, but not always. It depends on whether or not I need the world around me to make some kind of sense. I am guessing I need the world to make sense today and to communicate on a literal level. It is a good way of chasing certain people away, that's for sure.

September 26, 2011 4:37 PM - rf
Benson, sorry for the typo re Palladino but it's the thought that counts. I remember that you were a big fan of his. Do I remember wrong?
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:37 PM
September 26, 2011 4:38 PM - Biff Champion
I bought my place in early 2007 at the peak of the market. I would be very happy to sell it for anywhere near what I paid.

At least Brownstone Brooklyn homes seem to have fared relatively well since the housing bust. Could be worse, as in, could be like it is in 99% of the rest of the country.
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:39 PM
September 26, 2011 4:40 PM - Bedstuymaven
I went for a Brisk walk to circumcise my demon and missed the first pun fest
Then missed second one planing a Gala
September 26, 2011 4:41 PM - rf
Donatella, that's when I met my Chinese mechanics and they did a great job. A rear light and its housing was smashed. I got the part for something like $100 from a network of online junk yards (aka used auto parts dealers) and they put it on and repaired the surrounding car body for a couple of hundred. The check from Geico was over $1000 so I made out very well! But that was a long time ago.
September 26, 2011 4:42 PM - BoerumHillScott
I bought my place in Los Angeles in late 2004, about 2 years before the peak of the market.
I doubt I could sell it now for $100K less than I paid, and I'm not even sure it would move for $150K less.

Edited at September 26, 2011 4:42 PM
September 26, 2011 4:48 PM - Deleted
haha denton - this is true.


September 26, 2011 4:48 PM - Deleted
Rf
Old ===> bait.
Edited at September 26, 2011 4:48 PM
September 26, 2011 4:50 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Just got in and saw those comments re Saudi women voting - yeah, it starts in meaningless elections in 2015...no real votes for anyone, and they still can't drive. But they can fly to the polls:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article395113.ece

Edited at September 26, 2011 4:50 PM
September 26, 2011 4:52 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Also, DIBS, Herman Cain said he would not appoint Muslim Americans to any government position until they took a loyalty oath, and he plays into that whole fear-of-oncoming-sharia nonsense. I admire his life story, but can't abide by these stances. (sorry to be responding to something people wrote like eight hours ago, I know that's OT ancient history)
September 26, 2011 4:55 PM - bxgrl
"Rf
Old ===> bait."

So says the master baiter :)
September 26, 2011 4:57 PM - bxgrl
Cain is despicable. No better than Peter King.
September 26, 2011 4:58 PM - Donatella
Swiss women got the right to vote in national elections in 1971. One Canton finally allowed women to vote in local elections in 1990. Switzerland is the dark ages re women in the workplace as well. I did a country-wide road show in Switzerland in 2005 and I felt like I was in a time warp -- back to the early 70s -- really strange.
September 26, 2011 4:59 PM - Donatella
Sounds good, rf.

On unrelated note: One of my neices is selling in Florida on a short sale. I am interested to see how this will work. The place is in Jacksonville and one of the "sand" locations which were hit disproportionately by the real estate collapse. The house was great as a first house (assuming a stable market) but after they had their two kids, the place has been an albatross around their necks. Some American dream for them. NOT. We lost money here in the NY metropolitan area, but the sand states were hit BAD. Thank God, they can get away from that POS.
September 26, 2011 5:01 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Donatella, that's Appenzell that allowed women to vote just a few years back. The voting takes place in open-air assemblies - very old-school! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsgemeinde)
Eligible citizens of the canton meet on a certain day in the open air to decide on laws and expenditures by the council. Everyone can debate a question. Voting is accomplished by those in favour of a motion raising their hands. Historically, or in Appenzell until the admission of women, the only proof of citizenship necessary for men to enter the voting area was to show their ceremonial sword or Swiss military sidearm (bayonet), this gave proof that you were a freeman allowed to bear arms and to vote. "
September 26, 2011 5:05 PM - Deleted
When speaking of home prices, one cannot speak of the "NY Metropolitan area" as a singular market. While Manhattan and Brownstone Brooklyn did not take a big hit, the same cannot be said for the working-class suburbs. Putnam County, for instance. True they did not take as big a hit as places in Nevada and Florida, but they did take a very big hit.
September 26, 2011 5:10 PM - minard lafever
benson, agreed.
furthermore one cannot speak of "brownstone brooklyn" as one market either. Prices have fared very differently in Park Slope than in Crown Heights for instance.

Edited at September 26, 2011 5:10 PM
September 26, 2011 5:15 PM - Donatella
Ok, Benson, I guess the issue is how do you define the Metropolitan area... you are right about Putnam county, which really did get slammed.

Six years, I found Switzerland to be very strange. I did this roadshow in the three language areas -- Geneva where people speak French, Zurich, Swiss German and Lugano where people speak Italian. The areas all had such a different feel (my favorite was Lugano) but for many complicated reasons, Swiss women generally do not work after marriage/kids. They certainly do not have professional jobs for the most part and I was confused by the antiluvian ways by which was was treated. Most people at first had no clue what I was doing there. Until I started giving my presentation.
Edited at September 26, 2011 5:15 PM
September 26, 2011 5:32 PM - Biff Champion
My point was that if DIBS bought anywhere close to 2007 and can sell at breakeven or a slight gain, he is better off than most other people in the US buying and selling within that same timeframe.
September 26, 2011 5:39 PM - Deleted
even if dibs eats a slight loss on his crib i'm sure that will help him offset some gains elsewhere for tax purposes.
September 26, 2011 5:44 PM - Deleted
these nicotine patches make me feel really weird sometimes throughout the day
September 26, 2011 5:45 PM - DeadCatBounce
Benson, I really like your new, less abrasive, more directed, style.
You made some great points.
September 26, 2011 5:46 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Most of you are too old/into puns to get this but I think it's pretty genius- the baby from nirvana 's nevermind album cover recreates the shot 20 years later....

http://egotastic.com/2011/09/the-nirvana-nevermind-baby-is-back-in-the-pool-20-years-later/

Ps NSFW web site beyond this page!!!
September 26, 2011 5:51 PM - DeadCatBounce
Six, I have to agree with your statement about Cain and his attitude towards Muslims.
I like a lot of his other positions, though.
Edited at September 26, 2011 5:51 PM
September 26, 2011 5:53 PM - Arkady
dh - It could be that you could step down to the next patch - I never did the full strength one after the first 4 days.
September 26, 2011 5:56 PM - dibs
randi...bought for $820 and put another $85k into it. However, being here over 4 years I've made (or saved) >$100k by not having to pay $6,000 in RE taxes and $6,000 in CCs on my condo PLUS getting $14,000 in rental income. So 820 + 85 + 905 less 100 "saved" so economic cost is $805k.

No problem selling it in the mid to high $700s
Edited at September 26, 2011 5:58 PM
September 26, 2011 5:56 PM - CGar
"I like a lot of his other positions, though"

nh?
September 26, 2011 5:56 PM - MontroseMorris
Re: Cain, I agree with 6.

Surprise!
September 26, 2011 5:59 PM - Deleted
DCB;

It's the new, improved Benson!
September 26, 2011 6:04 PM - DeadCatBounce
DIBS, do you think the buyer of your house will be making an excellent investment?
(Sincere question)
September 26, 2011 6:08 PM - dibs
Yes, DCB, if they can stay here 5-10 years. Who knows if they sell in 2-3.
Edited at September 26, 2011 6:08 PM
September 26, 2011 6:14 PM - dibs
Anyone ever been to El Viejo Yayo, a cuban restaurant apparently a block away from the Barclay Center???
Edited at September 26, 2011 6:14 PM
September 26, 2011 6:15 PM - rf
I believe it's more Puerto Rican. Good cheap food.
Edited at September 26, 2011 6:15 PM
September 26, 2011 6:17 PM - dibs
One of my favorite cuban dishes which I always make myself is pretty simple...steak with black beans and rice and always Goya black beans.
September 26, 2011 6:20 PM - Arkady
Ex-bf used to like it a lot - thought the black beans & rice was really excellent. I've never been. (Note: ex-bf.)
September 26, 2011 6:21 PM - dibs
Anarchists are on the move. Ordered out of the park.
September 26, 2011 6:35 PM - DeadCatBounce
Agreed with Randi that there are going to be a lot more protests.,
Also agreed with Dave that the protesters are ignoramuses.
Or should I say logically challenged individuals?
September 26, 2011 6:39 PM - dibs
Anarchists say they won't leave the park until they are forced to go and then complain about excessive force by the police. Can't have it both ways.
Edited at September 26, 2011 6:39 PM
September 26, 2011 6:43 PM - minard lafever
The Wall Street sharks do not give a shit about the protestors.
Only things to get their attention are a subpoena and handcuffs.

September 26, 2011 6:45 PM - dibs
"The Wall Street sharks"

What % do you think are sharks??? What % do you think are currently involved in illegal activity??? What % do you think the economy could do without??? What % of NYC taxes do you think they pay?????


Edited at September 26, 2011 6:45 PM
September 26, 2011 6:52 PM - DeadCatBounce
The Wall Street sharks do not give a shit about the protestors.
Right.
Protestor sharks do not give a shit about Wall Street.
Also Right.
World is Full of Sharks.
So protest the Aquarium. Makes as much sense.
Edited at September 26, 2011 6:52 PM
September 26, 2011 7:02 PM - minard lafever
Protestor sharks?
Hmmmm. I guess I don't see it that way. They may be clueless and naive, but I would not say carnivorous.
There is widespread and sincere popular resentment against the financial and banking establishments right now that extends far beyond the young people just evicted from Zuccotti Park. I would not dismiss that popular sentiment out of hand.
A lot of people are angry.
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:02 PM
September 26, 2011 7:04 PM - Legion
Did somebody mention sharks?
DCB,
did you see the photo I took of my 90,000 lb whale shark friend in Mexico?
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:04 PM
September 26, 2011 7:05 PM - dibs
The bigger problem is that the majority of Americans are clueless as to what Wall St really does, including managing their pensions
September 26, 2011 7:09 PM - minard lafever
dibs, I don't think the majority of Americans are as idiotic as you think. And whether they understand the nuances or not, they are still angry, and that is what I am talking about.

September 26, 2011 7:09 PM - Legion
I leave for a few hours and I see all this misinformation posted.
hummm, where to begin:

ok,
1. Montrose Morris,
if you don't see the connection between radical islam and a major part of our foreign policy, vis a vis Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq,
I don't know what to say.

2. Denton,
No, the President in fact OWNS this economy. His own DNC chairwoman said so. Her words on the issue and Democrats:
"WE OWN THIS ECONOMY".

3. In general, healthcare reform was a major policy, political and tactical error on the part of the President.
Why? I have heard no one say it better than the succinct reason I've distilled it to:
The problem with the President's healthcare reform is that it attempts to place a massive entitlement inside the framework of a free market system. The two ideas are inherently at odds.

4. There is always a lot of deragatory and demeaning talk about the candidates, especially Republican candidates, before the election. Every yutz with ears in Hollywood and the Major Media has a negative or snarky opinion. Saw it with Reagan, with Bush I, with Bush II and now with Romney and Perry.
The people will have their say, despite the left wing bubble.
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:09 PM
September 26, 2011 7:14 PM - Legion
"Anarchists say they won't leave the park until they are forced to go and then complain about excessive force by the police."

dibs,
I think once their cumulative stench reaches critical mass,
the feds can call in the EPA and have them booted.
Part of the clean air act I believe.
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:14 PM
September 26, 2011 7:14 PM - dibs
Minard, most can't spell out what they are angry about and understand the issues. Yes, they all know how to say "bailouts " and "fat cats" Beyond that there's little understanding. I agree, many of the salaries were egregious especially that jackass woman who ran Fannie Mae and that is a quasi government organization. Many heads did roll and a lot of people in the industry lost fortunes, rightly or wrongly
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:14 PM
September 26, 2011 7:17 PM - dibs
Actually, regarding Pakistan, the Defense Dept is now fully aware that they are no longer our friends. General Mullen (sp?) just addressed Congress and essentially told them so after the # 2 general in pakistan was proved to have led the raids in Afghanistan.
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:17 PM
September 26, 2011 7:18 PM - Legion
The President's approval ratings are in the 30's.
He loses in some polls to a "generic" Repubican.
The CBO itself states that unemployment will go down no more than 1% by next November.
Larry Kudlow, always bullish, thinks we're looking at the front end of a recession.

...now I ask you,
given this dismal state of affairs, how exactly will attacks on the Republican candidates as "nut jobs" and "crazies" win the Presidency?
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:18 PM
September 26, 2011 7:21 PM - CGar
Oh, for fuck sake!! It really takes a lot for me to get pissed. I'm in line at Key Food. When I get up to the register, the cashier has to count his till and tells me to go to another line. I have 2 fucking items. The guy behind me has a full cart and makes a beeline for that cashier. So, I go the next line, and while I'm waiting for that cashier to ring up the guy in front of me in slow motion, the first fucking cashier reopens his fucking register and takes care of 3 other fucking people.
September 26, 2011 7:22 PM - dibs
LOL, CGar...the Twilight Zone of food checkout. Never any logic or reason to anything done there. Union employees.
September 26, 2011 7:22 PM - Legion
CGar,
That wouldn't have happened if the supermarket had one of those
computerized cash registers. :o(
September 26, 2011 7:23 PM - Legion
Was it a nice cashier at least?
September 26, 2011 7:24 PM - Deleted
I agree. Protestors aren't Making themselves look too smart if they don't know why they're against wall street.

Its like hating hitler because of his haircut. You're missing the point.
September 26, 2011 7:25 PM - minard lafever
dibs, that's right. Don't you think most Americans with any sense would agree with those points you just made? There are always those who are out to lunch in any country but the majority of Americans are very sensible people.

September 26, 2011 7:25 PM - CGar
And the guy in front me at the Korean market, who had all the time in the world while we're waiting in line, fumbled with his wallet for 5 minutes to dig out $2.00 to pay for his one item. Where do these people come from???
September 26, 2011 7:26 PM - CGar
No, Legion.
September 26, 2011 7:26 PM - Deleted
Legion. The repubs don't have anyone electable!!


September 26, 2011 7:29 PM - Legion
DH,
Of course you would say that.
That's my point!

September 26, 2011 7:32 PM - Legion
I hate when people stand there like a potted plant after their transaction is finished.
It's like;
" no moron, despite what you think,
you didn't just lease the cashier's desk for your personal use.
Now gather your bag of jock itch powders and GTFO!"
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:32 PM
September 26, 2011 7:39 PM - minard lafever
legion, what people tell pollsters a year before the election and what they will do when the time comes to vote can be two very different things. The flaw with your argument and others here is that it underestimates the smarts of the average American voter.
Meanness and nastiness is not going to win out no matter how dissatisfied Americans say they are with the sitting president. Hating on mexican laborers, muslim citizens, gay couples, teachers, etc etc, may make for good debate theatrics but it will not win the election. The republicans need to get a positive message and I don't mean "we will build the tallest and most magnificent wall along the border."




September 26, 2011 7:40 PM - Deleted
Actually I take that back. I'm sure there's plenty of electable repubs in the middle. For some reason beyond me they're pandering to the far right. Not smart
September 26, 2011 7:42 PM - CGar
"For some reason beyond me they're pandering to the far right."

It's the only way for them to win the Republican primaries. Same reason Democratic candidates pander to the far left during primary season.
September 26, 2011 7:43 PM - Deleted
True cgar. But at least once the dem primaries end the party unites. The repubs are very much split. I don't see them allowing anyone to become more centrist
September 26, 2011 7:44 PM - Deleted
Bc of yhr tea party. Typing on iPhone fun
September 26, 2011 7:46 PM - Legion
"Hating on mexican laborers, muslim citizens, gay couples, teachers, etc etc, may make for good debate theatrics but it will not win the election."

Hating on Mexican laborers = Calling for an orderly border policy, sort of like Mexico has on it's Southern border with Guatemala.

Hating on Muslim citizens = Calling out our avowed enemies, i.e. muslim extremists, for what they are.

Hating on Gay couples = Having religious beliefs at odds with others (I happen to be agnostic myself, raised Catholic). Do you seriously believe a President in this day in age will attempt a theocracy? After the lessons learned by this President?

Hating on teachers = siding with municipalities on economic issues where the choice is to bankrupt the system with unfunded liabilities or require some give backs.

Minard, no matter how much you try to frame the argument as one of hating and bigotry, the overwhelming majority of Americans are just as you say; too smart to fall for it. ;o)
September 26, 2011 7:48 PM - CGar
True DH that the Democratic candidate runs as fast as they can to the center as soon as they've won the nomination. One reason the far left is so disappointed in Obama - because he pandered to them during the primaries and then moved to the center.
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:48 PM
September 26, 2011 7:48 PM - Deleted
Why did the repubs hate on Common? That was wack.
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:48 PM
September 26, 2011 7:49 PM - Legion
"It's the only way for them to win the Republican primaries. Same reason Democratic candidates pander to the far left during primary season"

Totally agree CGar,
Right now the candidates are jockeying for position on the final "Republican" ballot.
Once they get on, they jockey for position on the
"American" ballot as President.
Obama will move to the center while the (R) candidate will do the same.
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:49 PM
September 26, 2011 7:51 PM - Legion
"Why did the repubs hate on Common? That was wack."

...cause his rhymes are weak.


Edited at September 26, 2011 7:51 PM
September 26, 2011 7:52 PM - etson
I think Obama is well to the left at heart. Hard to imagine how the state senator for south side Chicago wouldn't be. Think the realities of having to lead a party nationally have forced him more towards the center. Agree that still leaves the far left disappointed, but they'll always need something to be angry about anyway.
September 26, 2011 7:54 PM - etson
Not a big fan of any of the Repubs so far, but would vote for almost any of them. One or two might cause me to think about small party candidate.
September 26, 2011 7:56 PM - CGar
Am I the only one who assumes that Cobble is MIA because she was arrested at the protest???
September 26, 2011 7:56 PM - Legion
DH,
You want a Republican rapper?
50 cent. Registered (R).
Edited at September 26, 2011 7:56 PM
September 26, 2011 7:57 PM - minard lafever
The republican candidate will not be able to move that far to the center without losing his wackadoodle base.
If the republican candidate starts talking sense about immigration reform and the value of the public sector, the base will sit on its hands and Obama will win. If he stays to the far right, he will mobilize the base but alienate the center and Obama wins.
The republicans are screwed this election, blame the tea party.

September 26, 2011 7:57 PM - etson
Not sure that's good for the cause legion.
September 26, 2011 7:58 PM - CGar
Says the man who wants to return us to George III.
September 26, 2011 7:59 PM - etson
Gladstone maybe.
September 26, 2011 8:02 PM - etson
Of course I realize that I couldn't return 'us' to Gladstone since some of the colonies had already split off 90 years before, but he was pretty much the greatest IMO.
September 26, 2011 8:03 PM - dibs
Best architecture and furniture was during the period of George III
September 26, 2011 8:03 PM - minard lafever
someone like christie who is his own man and doesn't give a shit about the tea party zealots, would win the election. And I have a hunch that he would be Wall Street's worst nightmare. I could see Christie cleaning house there. he knows the territory.
I would vote for him.


September 26, 2011 8:03 PM - Legion
etson,
ok, how about LL Cool J,
he's a Republican rapper too.
Everyone love LL.
September 26, 2011 8:04 PM - etson
I don't think the Tea Party would have a big problem with Christie.
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:04 PM
September 26, 2011 8:04 PM - dibs
Minard, full of gross populist generalities. Just what would "cleaning house" entail????
September 26, 2011 8:05 PM - Legion
etson,
Forgive my ignorance but
why Gladstone?

...I love those old Gladstone bags by the way.
September 26, 2011 8:05 PM - CGar
Christie would get my vote just for saying during the hurricane, "Get the hell off the beach!"
September 26, 2011 8:06 PM - minard lafever
George III?
You mean the famously crazy King of England?
That is interesting Dibs.
Very fine architecture and objects were produced then. Sir John Nash was a great innovator. His terraces are still among the most beautiful buildings in the world.

Edited at September 26, 2011 8:06 PM
September 26, 2011 8:08 PM - Legion
"The Madness of King George"
available on netflix now.
September 26, 2011 8:08 PM - CGar
Maybe if George III had spent a little less time decorating, he wouldn't have lost the colonies.
September 26, 2011 8:09 PM - minard lafever
Cgar: "get the hell off the beach at asbury park." he is blunt.
he just vetoed the state tax breaks or whatever for the Jersey shore reality series.
he's a tough guy most people like.

Edited at September 26, 2011 8:09 PM
September 26, 2011 8:11 PM - etson
Believing in and sustaining a minimal state through judicious reform that maintained social peace, legion.
Minimal state meaning relatively low public spending, voluntary welfare system etc.
September 26, 2011 8:14 PM - etson
Christie should have said "If you're still on the beach at Asbury Park, why the f**k did you go there instead of somewhere nice"
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:14 PM
September 26, 2011 8:16 PM - Arkady
Tee-hee. It was called The Madness of George the Third in England but they figured if they used that name here everyone would wonder where were parts 1 & 2. (I adore Alan Bennett.)
September 26, 2011 8:19 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Evening, losers. The air quality the last few days has been utter crap. If this is what fall is gonna be like, then let's just cut to winter. Ick.
September 26, 2011 8:20 PM - etson
Other political hero, going further back, is Cardinal Fleury (chief minister for Louis XV).
Essentially nothing happened when he was in charge, but he stayed in charge for a long time.
Low spending, relative peace and unambitious, unintrusive (for the time) government.
September 26, 2011 8:20 PM - minard lafever
King George III, Godfather III.
I could see how it could cause some confusion.

September 26, 2011 8:20 PM - CGar
2 words, Snappy: Air Conditioning.
September 26, 2011 8:22 PM - Legion
etson,
I see what you mean.
Sounds like a Libertarian (I think most on the OT are really Libertarians).

arkady,
There was British movie on the other night which I've loved since I was a kid: Bedazzled
with Dudley Moore and Peter Cooke.

I love the humor in that film.

September 26, 2011 8:24 PM - Arkady
Oh, & CG, I'd've been fuming too. Don't they have scanners at that Key? I adore the self-check-out even when it erroneously screams at me about having put the wrong thing in the bag. The downside of them is PS mothers using them as teaching moments for kids - & also not having their cards out when it's time to pay.
September 26, 2011 8:26 PM - CGar
They don't have scanners at either the Key on Atlantic or the Key on Montague, Puma.
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:31 PM
September 26, 2011 8:26 PM - Arkady
Pete & Dud were in Fringe w/ A. Bennett & Jonathan Miller - wonderful!!!
September 26, 2011 8:26 PM - etson
"Please remove the unscanned item" - I can hear that in my head now from the 7th Ave KeyFood.
September 26, 2011 8:27 PM - Legion
Photo from Bedazzled:
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:27 PM
September 26, 2011 8:28 PM - CGar
Is that you on the right, Legion?
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:28 PM
September 26, 2011 8:29 PM - CGar
What happened to...
September 26, 2011 8:32 PM - minard lafever
I'm not the biggest fan of british humor.
But did anyone see Alec Baldwin and Steve Martin in the opening monologue of SNL the other night?
Hilarious and shockingly gross.
A classic.

Edited at September 26, 2011 8:32 PM
September 26, 2011 8:33 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
I'm here Cargar...my a.c. has been on for days, but having to go outside is killing me. My poor nebulizer and emergency inhaler are having to work overtime. It's 74 degrees in here, but having been outside and on the subway has ruined my ability to fully inhale and exhale :-(
September 26, 2011 8:34 PM - Legion
ha ha CGar,

No, I imagine in drag I'd look more like John Leguizamo in
Too Wong Foo. He's Colombian.
Here he is with Wesley Snipes and Patrick Swayze. ;o)
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:34 PM
September 26, 2011 8:36 PM - etson
Not sure that one can generalize much about British humo(u)r but maybe I am too close to it (Britain, not humor) to know.
I don't like Monty Python, which is what Americans seem to identify with it.
September 26, 2011 8:36 PM - CGar
As I recall, Legion, there was talk in an old OT about you wearing a dress.
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:36 PM
September 26, 2011 8:36 PM - sixyearsandcounting
"Hating on Muslim citizens = Calling out our avowed enemies, i.e. muslim extremists, for what they are."

Enormous difference, Legion - trying to stop mosques from being constructed and conjuring up phantom threats of sharia being imposed on the USA is not the same as fighting al-Qaeda. There should be absolutely no equivocation between "Muslim citizens" and "our avowed enemies." The overlap on that Venn diagram seems to include a dozen people at most out of hundreds of thousands of patriotic, loyal Americans who happen to be Muslim.
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:36 PM
September 26, 2011 8:36 PM - Legion
snappy,
drink some tea as well,
the theophylline helps open the bronchioles.
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:36 PM
September 26, 2011 8:37 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i know youre all gonna get a kick out of this. anyway, awful day at work with a bunch of crap happening (flood in the server room, etc..) we didnt get paid til after 5 and the bank already closed so i went to the old check cashing place i go to sometimes on the LES. the chick behind the counter made fun of my contacts AND made a gay slur! i was actually a tad stunned, but whatever. then she said they only had 20's. :-/ so i got paid in all 20s. there's a dude standing literally right next to me, it's like um, hello personal space?! stand behind me, not next to me. and i was like ugh im getting all this cash what if he follows me? anyway i didnt even bother counting it cuz i was sketched out. walked out and kept looking behind my back. then BAM crossing back over on broadway fell right over the curb and went face first onto the pavement. realized i forgot my book at the check cashing place on the ledge. pondered going back but im really enjoying this book and it's an old book i probably couldnt find anywhere so go back. i walk in the chick behind the counter is all like "heeeeEeeEeeeEeeeey yoooou" in a mockingly gay tone so i took my book and left. oh yeah and when i got my money, i asked how many 20s there were so i could do the quick math in my head and count it at some point and the guy standing right NEXT to me says "that's like five twenties" :-/ i think he was being serious. i just picked up the worst vibe from him.

RF: did i see you on the R train by any chance tonight? i thought i did, i wasnt sure. benson, sorry i whizzed right by you, im so obvious walking around sometimes i dont know how i dont get hit by busses and cars more often.



what an awful awful day to be a butterfly.

*rob*

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September 26, 2011 8:40 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
legion, i've had so much dang hot tea, i may piss myself and float away!
September 26, 2011 8:40 PM - CGar
*rob*, are you okay from falling down on the pavement???

When I did that a few months ago, I had to have stitches in the ER.
September 26, 2011 8:40 PM - Arkady
British humo(u)r was the basis for a lot of popular t.v. shows here - Archie Bunker was Alf Garnett, Redd Foxx was Wilfred Bramble - much better in the originals.
September 26, 2011 8:41 PM - minard lafever
monty python is demented but very original, I like the nuttiness of it, but can't take too much of it.
But the british humor i don't get at all are shows like "The Black Adder" or "Mr Bean" ?????
Fawlty towers was pretty funny.


September 26, 2011 8:42 PM - etson
Yes that's true they do copy a lot of shows from the UK over here.

September 26, 2011 8:42 PM - CGar
And where the hell have you been all day??? Don't tell us they made you mop up the server room?
September 26, 2011 8:42 PM - Legion
sixyears,
No doubt the large majority of Muslims are peace loving and want nothing more than to pursue their lives in that manner.
The problem we are facing around the globe is that a determined minority of extremists have taken hold of the religion and are driving an agenda of conflict;
with other muslims throughout the Islamic world,
with hindus in India
with bhuddists in Afghanistan
with christians in Eastern Europe
with jews in the Middle East

Something is wrong and the United States is at the center of these extremist's agenda whether we want to face it or not.
September 26, 2011 8:43 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
DH how is the non smoking thing going? i saw earlier you said that the patches make you feel weird during the day. i had that issue too, but i was never lasting more than a day. im giving serious consideration for quitting soon but im chary of how successful im going to be and terrified of being in a cranky mood all the time(shut up) and gaining weight.

*rob*

September 26, 2011 8:44 PM - etson
Agree again Minard, I don't like either of those two. Fawlty Towers had its moments. Brit shows I enjoyed the most didn't make it over here generally.
Among US comedians I like Bob Newhart a lot.
September 26, 2011 8:44 PM - CGar
Minard, I love Fawlty Towers! Paging Slopey!!
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September 26, 2011 8:44 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
*rob*, are you okay from falling down on the pavement???

yeah im totally fine, the emotional aspect of it was more embarrassing. i just KNOW im gonna get an email at work tomorrow being like LOLZ I SAW YOU TRIP ON THE CURB YESTERDAY!!

*rob*

September 26, 2011 8:46 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
And where the hell have you been all day??? Don't tell us they made you mop up the server room?

LMFAO... well someone had to fucking do it.

*rob*

September 26, 2011 8:47 PM - Legion
British Humor?

I grew up watching Benny Hill on channel 9
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:47 PM
September 26, 2011 8:48 PM - Arkady
Hyacinth Bucket! Judi Dench! Hilarious stuff.
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:48 PM
September 26, 2011 8:48 PM - Arkady
Never cared for Benny Hill.
Edited at September 26, 2011 8:48 PM
September 26, 2011 8:48 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i <3 ab fab. gotd? it takes watching an episode like 20 times tho to finally understand what the hell they are saying.

*rob*

September 26, 2011 8:49 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i think some serious skanks moved into my building cuz we gots a mad roach problem right now. ugh.

*rob*

September 26, 2011 8:50 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
or they moved out and the roaches scattered. im so skeeved out. it's only in the kitchen area tho.

*rob*
September 26, 2011 8:50 PM - sixyearsandcounting
"a determined minority of extremists have taken hold of the religion"

Sorry, but I have to disagree again. I've lived and traveled in Muslim countries and this minority barely registers as a demographic. They certainly do not control the religion in any way whatsoever, and neither are they driving the conflicts you mention (except the first, with other Muslims). The others are about land and are basically nationalist causes to which religion is put to use. Certainly Kashmir and Palestine (and let's not forget many Palestinians are Christian) and Chechnya and Kosovo are all about foreign occupation. There haven't been any Buddhists in Afghanistan for centuries, btw. If we didn't support the governments behind these occupations, as well as the Egyptian and Tunisian and Yemeni and Bahraini and etc etc dictatorships - in other words, if we actually took our own values seriously in our foreign policy - we'd have far fewer problems.
September 26, 2011 8:51 PM - etson
Remember Amzi saying he was a big fan of Hyacinth.
I find that show pleasant, though deliberately dated, rather than funny per se. It's a nice reminder of suburban England.
September 26, 2011 8:52 PM - minard lafever
never liked benny hill. liked these folks though
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September 26, 2011 8:55 PM - CGar
Legion, do you remember Creature Feature? Metromedia Channel 5, I believe.
September 26, 2011 8:58 PM - Legion
sixyears,
I agree that a re-assessment of our foreign policy in the Muslim world is called for.
I'd say from a position of strength, by ending our reliance on oil in those lands. period.

When you say:
"The others are about land and are basically nationalist causes to which religion is put to use"
that sweeps an awful lot of history under the rug, unfortunately.
I've seen 4th century Christian churches in Cairo and I know that Coptics in Egypt are slowly being pushed out. It's a gradual process which turns once pluralistic societies into Islamic Theocracies.
There is no denying the power of the Ayatollah's in Iran for instance or the banning of non-muslims from Mecca and Medina.

The conflicts we see around the globe while stripped of their outright religious nature are nonetheless chapters in a larger sweep of history.
September 26, 2011 9:00 PM - Legion
CGar,
CREATURE FEATURE!!

With that giant hand that slowly faded into the pit.
Who could forget that? lol
September 26, 2011 9:04 PM - minard lafever
Lively day today here and on B'stoner.
G'nite all.

September 26, 2011 9:05 PM - rf
Benny Hill!
September 26, 2011 9:06 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
that sounds vaguely familiar... this is back in the day when there were only like 5 channels and cable only had like 2? WHT? i think that was the first cable channel we had. it was mostly movies, and it was very dark (like literally very dark... dark as in the absense of light). then i think HBO came out, nickelodeon, mtv, etc.

*rob*

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September 26, 2011 9:08 PM - CGar
That's about right, *rob*. Back in the day, we had Channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13 only.
September 26, 2011 9:10 PM - etson
What was on the other channels? Police frequencies??
We only had four (three until the early 1980's) but they were 1, 2, 3 and 4.
September 26, 2011 9:11 PM - CGar
There were no other channels. As I recall, there was a dial on the TV with numbers 1 through 13, plus UHF.
September 26, 2011 9:12 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
That's about right, *rob*. Back in the day, we had Channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13 only.

im my bedroom i only get 5 and 9. and a few spanish channels cuz i dont have an amplified antenna (i keep returning them to best buy lol). will probably pick one up again in 2 weeks. i could run a cable from the living room into my room but i had seeing tacky white cable wires running along the walls for some reason.

arkady i remember you said you couldnt get reception with the converter box for on air tv. the thing is you need an AMPLIFIED antenna attached to it. any old pair of anetanne wont work, or even a nice anetanna, if it's not amplified you arent going to get stuff in this area of brooklyn, especially if you live on lowers floors.

the cheapest amplified antennas are about 40 bux, but i saw best buy has their in store brand for 35.



*rob*

Edited at September 26, 2011 9:12 PM
September 26, 2011 9:13 PM - etson
Oh, I'm not old enough to have had a TV with a dial ;-)
September 26, 2011 9:14 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
the UHF channels were bizarro world.

*rob*

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September 26, 2011 9:15 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Oh, I'm not old enough to have had a TV with a dial ;-)

me too. fyi, if you ever wanna smell the most rancid thing EVER, if you had a tv back in those days that was a dial, pull the dial off and sniff the hole. OMFG> guh-ROSS. it literally smelled like ass.

*rob*

September 26, 2011 9:15 PM - CGar
I grew up with one black & white TV and one color TV and no remote control. Well, actually, since I was the youngest, I was the remote control.
September 26, 2011 9:16 PM - Arkady
Etson - When I was young & living in Edinburgh there was only one channel in UK & it was on only a few hours a day. Even in the 60s there were only 2 sides until BBc-2 came into being & it was black & white only until around then too.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:16 PM
September 26, 2011 9:16 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
wait, i WAS old enough. really you never had a tv with a dial? i had a few vintage tvs here that were adorable. one a perfect condition ceramic white black and white 13 incher. i wound up putting them all out on the curb. seemed a tad... hoardish to have like 5 tvs in one bedroom.

*rob*

September 26, 2011 9:18 PM - etson
I only remember us having color, but we only had one until I was around 12 or 13, then I got my own.
Come to think of it my grandmother had her own b/w TV as well when she lived with us when I was very young.
September 26, 2011 9:18 PM - Arkady
First remote I had was wired - considered very modern around 1975 or so - same year the first Pong came out.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:18 PM
September 26, 2011 9:18 PM - Slopefarm
Did someone mention the war?

September 26, 2011 9:19 PM - etson
No, they had buttons down the right side to change channel with, no dial, no remote.
September 26, 2011 9:19 PM - CGar
Slopey, if you're posting from home, kindly upload your avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:19 PM
September 26, 2011 9:20 PM - Slopefarm
I am trying!!

Edited at September 26, 2011 9:19 PM
September 26, 2011 9:20 PM - Legion
WOW!!!
I found it on youtube.

CGar,
here's the Creature Feature intro I was talking about,
hadn't seen it in 30 years at least!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATUJG3DSziw&feature=related
September 26, 2011 9:21 PM - CGar
Basil Fawlty: Is something wrong?
German Guest: Will you please stop talking about the war?
Basil Fawlty: Me? You started it.
German Guest: We did not!
Basil Fawlty: Yes, you did, you invaded Poland.
September 26, 2011 9:21 PM - Slopefarm
There it is! Not great but at least I have one now.
September 26, 2011 9:23 PM - Arkady
Slopey - You're not supposed to put up an actual picture of yourself as an avatar!
September 26, 2011 9:24 PM - Slopefarm
I just recently watched that episode again and what is amazing is that the war bit doesn't really start until the last 7 minutes or so, but there are so many other perfect bits in that episode, like the parts with Manuel and the deer head. "I speak English now. I learned it from a booooooook."
September 26, 2011 9:24 PM - Legion
congratulations slopefarm.
September 26, 2011 9:25 PM - etson
Randi has a picture of himself.
September 26, 2011 9:25 PM - CGar
It's a start, Slopey. Still think this "suits" you better...
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September 26, 2011 9:26 PM - Arkady
Iliked the one w/ the rat in the water butt.
September 26, 2011 9:31 PM - petebklyn
how about those good old radio shows
September 26, 2011 9:32 PM - Slopefarm
I'm not going to keep explaining why Eddie Albert isn't Donald Trump and I don't want Mrs. Slopey thinking I think she's Zsa Zsa.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:32 PM
September 26, 2011 9:34 PM - Slopefarm
OK, since the site seems to be kind enough to backfill my avatar automatically, all your complaints about my missing avatar are now going to look stupid.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:34 PM
September 26, 2011 9:34 PM - denton
Legion, you musta mixed me up with someone. i agreed that, rightly or wrongly, Obama owns the economy. I also said he has not done enuf. And I also said I don't plan to vote for him if there is a reasonable alternative.


September 26, 2011 9:36 PM - Arkady
"...all your complaints about my missing avatar are now going to look stupid." Oh, dear! It's going to retroactively ruin the overall tone of the OT!!!
September 26, 2011 9:36 PM - Donatella
Holy Moly, this was a big day on the OT. How, oh how, could I have missed the genitalia pun fest? :-/

*rob* sorry you fell. I don't like those awful people in the check cashing place you describe. Forgive me if this has been covered before, but can't you just have your paycheck deposited to your checking account? Don't they do that? You are being so 1980. You get an auto deposit, they you stroll down to your bank and get your pay out of the ATM.
September 26, 2011 9:38 PM - Donatella
Right, all the OT historians and anthropologists will be completely CONFUSED.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:38 PM
September 26, 2011 9:38 PM - denton
"even if dibs eats a slight loss on his crib i'm sure that will help him offset some gains elsewhere for tax purposes."

DH, I have bad news for you. You have to pay capital gains on the sale of a house that is a residence, but, unlike other investments, you cannot deduct the loss from other income. No one really noticed this before, cuz hey, house prices always go up, right? They're not making any more land, right? lol.


September 26, 2011 9:39 PM - denton
"but can't you just have your paycheck deposited to your checking account?"

What makes you think rob has a checking account? Better 'check' first.
September 26, 2011 9:41 PM - petebklyn
I'm in bad mood. Drove back to city this afternoon taking taconic. I got a speeding ticket.
Said I was doing 76 in 55 mph zone.
I believe not true. If he said 65 or 66 I would not deny. I was driving 12 year old chevy tracker, standard shift and I feel it if going that fast --which occasionally might do on thruway but not on the taconic. I check my spedometer pretty frequently. Somebody seconds b4 I was pulled over sped by me going from far left lane to far right...and I thought when lights went off was going for him. I absolutely don't believe I was going more that 65, 66.
I wasn't passing or driving aggressively.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:41 PM
September 26, 2011 9:43 PM - Donatella
*rob* you need a checking account.

I don't know what you are paying for those crooks to cash your check, *rob*, but whatever your justification for using them, they are ripping you off.
September 26, 2011 9:45 PM - petebklyn
pay capital gains on gain over $250k or $500k for married. and what percent of sales have gain over that amount.
yes, around here if expensive prop and held for quite some years but what % of all sales in this country would ever pay capital gains?
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:45 PM
September 26, 2011 9:45 PM - Donatella
Is there any mechanism for protesting the ticket, Pete? That stinks.
September 26, 2011 9:45 PM - etson
Funny, I don't think the economy is all Obama's fault and think the govt should have done less. TARP made sense but the stimulus was just a waste of $$.
Think conventional economists underestimate the damage done to economic confidence in general because of the size of the debt / deficit, i.e. short term stimulus from deficit doesn't encourage long-term investment because it effectively has to be 'paid back' via contraction of the deficit in future.
Oh but I am not voting for Obama, viable alternative or not.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:45 PM
September 26, 2011 9:47 PM - denton
pete, that was one of the reasons we sold apt. Was pushing capital gains limit, over actually. Now the clock starts again.
Edited at September 26, 2011 9:47 PM
September 26, 2011 9:47 PM - etson
denton's talking about offsetting another gain with a loss on real estate sale (and saying you can't do it).
September 26, 2011 9:49 PM - petebklyn
I will plead not guilty and show up for court but who knows what will happen. But I will not plead guilty because firmly believe not possible I was going that fast. At times I have, but not then.

'owning the economy' is very ambiguous and very open to interpretation. almost like a soundbite phrase.


Edited at September 26, 2011 9:49 PM
September 26, 2011 9:52 PM - etson
Ugh, that sucks re the ticket Pete.
Hate that they just try to trap safe drivers who are slightly over when you see so many idiots get away with real speeding.

Edited at September 26, 2011 9:51 PM
September 26, 2011 9:52 PM - petebklyn
I realize said can't write off loss on house - but shouldn't be able to - since not an investment vehicle. or not supposed to be one. isn't the mortgage interest deduction and deductibility of r.e. taxes enuf of a subsidy?
September 26, 2011 9:53 PM - petebklyn
I believe he did get in his radar someone who was really speeding the 76.... but thought it was me.
September 26, 2011 9:54 PM - etson
Happy slightly belated birthday dona, btw.
I read a bit yesterday but you seemed to have already left.
September 26, 2011 9:56 PM - etson
76 wouldn't be dangerous in a lot of 55 zones even.
That said depends on which part of the Taconic. It does get narrow & windy in parts & some folks take those too fast.
September 26, 2011 9:58 PM - petebklyn
when they changed that law - to make the 250k deduction instead of postponing cap gains if bought or took out higher mortgage or however it worked....I wondered if encouraged lot of people to sell.
I probably should have. (since I bought in 1986).
September 26, 2011 9:58 PM - denton
pete, you should have enuf knowledge of upstate to know it has nothing to do with speeding and everything to do with revenue. I never leave the city without this:

https://www.escortradar.com/store/passport-9500ix.html

Nothing like liberals whining about the law when they get busted, lol. Why are you driving a gas guzzler anyway? Should be driving a Prius or something.
September 26, 2011 10:00 PM - petebklyn
was westchester part of taconic -- 3 lanes each direction. not the narrow windy part in putnam county --- which I hate driving at night/rain/fog.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:00 PM
September 26, 2011 10:00 PM - Arkady
Does dibs claim BedStuy as primary residence?
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:00 PM
September 26, 2011 10:00 PM - petebklyn
this apple laptop keeps losing wireless connection and I have to restart----seems most when using comments on this site.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:00 PM
September 26, 2011 10:01 PM - petebklyn
I think he has said that he does file from here.
September 26, 2011 10:02 PM - Arkady
Pete - Go in looking old & decrepit w/ a photo of the car looking ditto.
September 26, 2011 10:03 PM - petebklyn
chevy tracker hardly a gas guzzler. I will admit guilt to 65/66 but not more. sent me to prison and gallows but will maintain my innocence.
easy in the other car to go 75(malibu)...but in tracker you gotta work at it.
September 26, 2011 10:06 PM - CGar
"Pete - Go in looking old & decrepit"

Right. Just be yourself!
September 26, 2011 10:08 PM - etson
Agree re revenue vs safety.
An ex colleague of mine got ticketed randomly on the Saw Mill once for 62 in a 55 and window tints too dark.
September 26, 2011 10:08 PM - denton
Also I use a product called Laser Veil and have laser diffusion insert over front plate. Radar easy to beat with detectors, laser harder.

I've thought about installing laser ECM like this, but I probably don't drive enuf.
http://www.radarbusters.com/laser-jammers/laser-jammers/escortzr4lasershifter.cfm

See y'all tom'w.


September 26, 2011 10:09 PM - etson
Hah didn't see before that it was a Tracker.
Just driving one of those deserves a ticket.
;-)
September 26, 2011 10:11 PM - petebklyn
I'm going to look into the detectors...although I always thought something bit unethical about it.

Just saw HOTD on brownstoner.. was going to comment something snarky like neighborhood will improve after this nice house is sold....but reconsidered.
September 26, 2011 10:11 PM - Donatella
Oh thanks, etson. I wound up having a very nice day. And really enjoyed all the great birthday greetings, and good wishes. What I love is sort of being like a kid on Christmas. Each phone call or email greeting or birthday card in the mail is like a present under the tree which makes you feel great. You are a Libra too, right etson? Let us know when yours is.

Well, g'night again.
September 26, 2011 10:12 PM - petebklyn
how about some real legal advice from a real lawyer.
September 26, 2011 10:13 PM - petebklyn
how much damage did dona end up with on her car?
September 26, 2011 10:13 PM - etson
Glad you had a good day dona!
Mine is a week from tomorrow (not a round number, no big celebration planned at this point).
September 26, 2011 10:14 PM - etson
Oops a week from Weds I mean.
September 26, 2011 10:14 PM - petebklyn
friends took me out for mine tonight.. couple weeks after the fact.
September 26, 2011 10:17 PM - etson
Happy even more belated birthday Pete.

Night all.
September 26, 2011 10:18 PM - petebklyn
g'night. thanx
September 26, 2011 10:19 PM - Donatella
I'm still here, Pete. 3600 dollars! Can you believe that? What a totally cranky experience too for me this am. The guy pours salt in my wounds by opining on the value of my car and the possibility of not fixing it. I knew he had to say that but it was very irritating. It will take 10 days to fix it. It was really smacked up. But I had a strange sense of foreboding all day with that car. It seems like everywhere I turned, there was some really scary aggressive driver. And Fulton Street where I am is getting to be a little bit of a bar "strip" on Saturday night. I wish I had a garage right near me.
September 26, 2011 10:24 PM - petebklyn
omg...3600 and you weren't even driving.

September 26, 2011 10:24 PM - petebklyn
(i'm just watching judge judy.....lesbi is at orchestra rehearsal.)
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:24 PM
September 26, 2011 10:25 PM - petebklyn
I don't think our tracker is worth 3600 at this point.
September 26, 2011 10:28 PM - Arkady
There's been a lot of discussion about a big new bar on Flatbush & 6th that's going to attract 'the wrong sort' when Atl. Yds opens. I passed the corner on Saturday & 'the girls' are already hanging out there (& I use the term 'hanging out' particularly advisedly.)
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:57 PM
September 26, 2011 10:35 PM - CGar
"a big new bar"

I first read this as "new fig bar".
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:35 PM
September 26, 2011 10:37 PM - petebklyn
that must be justa few yards from the police station, no? well, maybe they would be happy about it.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:37 PM
September 26, 2011 10:54 PM - Donatella
Apparantly this was quite an accident, though I am still waiting for the report. My neighbor was awoken by the commotion and one parked car was hit with such force the body was split in half and there were several injuries and ambulances according to my neighbor. I was so glad that he told me about it. I might not even have noticed yesterday since I had no intention of using the car. I mean it; I really had a premonition all day about that car, so uneasy. And I feel somehow lucky, that I wasn't there, since I had parked the car there at around 1:30 am, 2 and a half hours earlier.
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:54 PM
September 26, 2011 10:57 PM - petebklyn
my friends in new paltz had their car totaled when parked in front of their house last summer. car was pushed about 20 yards away. they believe some youngster talking or texting on cell phone....claimed didn't see the car (parked at curb).
Edited at September 26, 2011 10:57 PM
September 26, 2011 11:02 PM - Donatella
Wow. Scary Pete. I'm really and truly going to go to bed now. Tell Lesbi congrats. Really, that's dynamite.

'night.
September 26, 2011 11:22 PM - Donatella
I just typed a whole long post about Jimmy Carter. And his "owning" the economy then. And about the use of that term. And about President Obama, but then I thought......so what? The term "owning the economy" is for retail consumption. And it is 10 pm after all.

Good night everyone.
September 26, 2011 11:41 PM - Deleted
I lost $6 in poker tonight. I should have come out even, but I blew a couple of hands. I need to have more balls when I play poker. Someday I'll get the knack of it.