Thursday Open Thread
September 22, 2011 6:39 AM - BoerumHillScott

421 comments
September 22, 2011 6:52 AM - DeadCatBounce
The economy is looking more like a train wreck every day.
I don't understand making excuses for Obama. The guy at the top takes the blame. Comes with the job.
#1
September 22, 2011 7:09 AM - BoerumHillScott
Obama seems totally unwilling or unable to make the long term changes and investments that the economy needs. Almost the entire focus of all of the various stimulus and job plans have been short term tax breaks, benefit extensions, and direct payments to states for expenses.

There has been some amount of infrastructure spending, but most of it is small scale and I don't think any of it does anything to improve long term economic capacity or efficiency.

The bad news is that I don't see any other leaders out there with a real plan.
#2
September 22, 2011 7:42 AM - dibs
I told you so!!!!!! I've been saying this for 2 years now.
Edited at September 22, 2011 7:42 AM
#3
September 22, 2011 7:46 AM - BoerumHillScott
I don't think our society is not set up to deal well with large issues that require long term changes.

Chances are that if Obama had gone into things focusing on a more long term plan, his approval ratings would be lower today then they are, even if the prognosis for the future was better.
People want quick fixes with immediate results, and not all problems can be solved that way.
#4
September 22, 2011 7:48 AM - BoerumHillScott
And what the hell am I doing writing about politics and economics this early in the morning?
Edited at September 22, 2011 7:48 AM
#5
September 22, 2011 8:05 AM - jessibaby
Thoughts on kickstarter? The Times has an article on it today. Seems most don't have a business plan and end up spending toomuch of their own money to give the thank you gift to the "investors". Isn't it really just another etsy? "investors" get a product for spending money, not a return.
#6
September 22, 2011 8:15 AM - BoerumHillScott
It seems to be that the biggest difference between kickstarter and etsy is the size of the ambitions, both on the part of the produces and "investors"/purchasers.


Edited at September 22, 2011 8:15 AM
#7
September 22, 2011 8:25 AM - jessibaby
Gotcha. Like someone doing a kickstarter for a restaurant would rather get a meal as an investor instead of as some dude who bought a groupon. Fancy!!
#8
September 22, 2011 8:30 AM - BoerumHillScott
From the "investors" standpoint, I see kickstarter as something of a lottery ticket where you know you will win some tiny prize.

The chances that any project will make it big are close to zero, but there is still some chance. For the rest, at least you get a fancy iPad frame or whatever out of it.
#9
September 22, 2011 8:48 AM - jessibaby
Any clue how the kickstarter website owner gets paid?
Edited at September 22, 2011 8:48 AM
#10
September 22, 2011 8:52 AM - BoerumHillScott
From Wikipedia:

Project owners choose a deadline and a target minimum of funds to raise. If the chosen target is not gathered by the deadline, no funds are collected (this is known as a provision point mechanism). Money pledged by donors is collected using Amazon Payments, and initiating projects requires a U.S. bank account.
Kickstarter takes 5% of the funds raised; Amazon charges an additional 3-5%

#11
September 22, 2011 8:57 AM - jessibaby
Alright, so from kickstart owner prospective, it's a good deal. All they do is provide a platform. And by not giving money to the person trying to raise funds til target is met, they dont get too many wasting their bandwith.
Edited at September 22, 2011 8:57 AM
#12
September 22, 2011 9:00 AM - dibs
I usually want to know a lot more about an investment idea than what you would ever obtain through kickstart. This is a foolish way to invest. Most businesses fail because they are underfunded. I pulled the blug on Butternut market because we could not raise AT LEAST 1 1/2 years of projected operating expenses if the business did not generate enough cash flow.
#13
September 22, 2011 9:03 AM - dibs
Butternut is dead. It was supposed to be like Provisions
Edited at September 22, 2011 9:04 AM
#14
September 22, 2011 9:03 AM - jessibaby
Are people still trying to get butternut going? Was it supposed to be like a Garden of Eden?
#15
September 22, 2011 9:03 AM - dibs
years ago I made an investment in a friend's company in bangkok. I knew I'd never see a return from it. But i could write off the cost of every trip to bangkok after that (I was living in Hong Kong and went there frequently).
#16
September 22, 2011 9:05 AM - jessibaby
Ha! That's awesome. Does there need to be a correlation between the amount of investment and allowable deduction?
Edited at September 22, 2011 9:05 AM
#17
September 22, 2011 9:05 AM - dibs
Not really.
#18
September 22, 2011 9:06 AM - dibs
DOW futures down 291.
Edited at September 22, 2011 9:06 AM
#19
September 22, 2011 9:09 AM - dibs
MACD technical lines likely to roll over and cross today!!!! Not good.
Edited at September 22, 2011 9:12 AM
#20
September 22, 2011 9:10 AM - BoerumHillScott
The only thing certain for the stock market over the last 2 months seems to be volatility.
I'm thinking of buying some November SPY calls this morning.
Edited at September 22, 2011 9:10 AM
#21
September 22, 2011 9:17 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Thoughts on kickstarter?

it's called broke asses begging on the internet for money. i've been doing it for YEARS! (except money. i dont take money) but i do take free stuff!!

*rob*

#22
September 22, 2011 9:24 AM - dibs
"Can Kickstarter be used to solicit investment or loans?

Nope. Kickstarter is a new form of commerce and patronage, not a place for investment or lending. You’ll never give up ownership or pay back any funds raised on Kickstarter. Ever."

Good for the owner, not so good for the" investors"


#23
September 22, 2011 9:32 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
and if you go and look at kickstarters it's pretty much ALL moonface businesses. just like etsy is essentially all moonface detritus.

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 9:32 AM
#24
September 22, 2011 9:35 AM - dibs
I gotta agree with rob. Most of theses things are hipster type "projects" not even businesses.


Edited at September 22, 2011 9:35 AM
#25
September 22, 2011 9:35 AM - jessibaby
New form of commerce? Not really; like rob said, it's just begging on the Internet. But yeah, only way someone would spend $500 for a wooden box to put around their iPad is if they can call themselves an "investor"
#26
September 22, 2011 9:44 AM - bxgrl
kickstarter is not like etsy- I should know. I have an etsy store. If you ever want to really know about Etsy, rob, you casn take me out to lunch and I'll explain it to you.
#27
September 22, 2011 9:46 AM - dibs
"If you ever want to really know about Etsy, rob, you casn take me out to lunch and I'll explain it to you."

Ever been dumpster diving??????
#28
September 22, 2011 9:47 AM - petebklyn
hasn't gold been going up on bad days for equities and bad news days for greece/etc? today seems down more than s&p... Is that sign that gold bubble starting to deflate.
Edited at September 22, 2011 9:47 AM
#29
September 22, 2011 9:48 AM - DeadCatBounce
Picturing Rob and Bxgrl on a dumpster diving date
#30
September 22, 2011 9:49 AM - dibs
SLV completely broken down.

I bet gold selling is to meet margin calls today.
Edited at September 22, 2011 9:49 AM
#31
September 22, 2011 9:51 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i know they arent the same. but etsy is a site where people basically sell their crafts and artwork stuff, right? so im just going to assume 99% of it probably sucks. dumpster diving is actually a LOT of fun. it depends on the dumpster. no food dumpsters that's just disgusting and low class.


*rob*

#32
September 22, 2011 9:55 AM - Bedstuymaven
I sold on Esty and I am a brilliant knitwear designer.
#33
September 22, 2011 9:57 AM - Slopefarm
"The bad news is that I don't see any other leaders out there with a real plan."

Yes, our choices right now are between a plan that is insufficiently ambitious and that won't pass versus doing only small pieces of the insufficient plan versus doing nothing at all. And yes, I certainly don't see anyone running with a better plan, or even a plan, just talking points against anything that is proposed.
#34
September 22, 2011 10:00 AM - bxgrl
Most of it isn't crap, rob. see- You don't even know what it is and you are making comments. And not just artists sell on Etsy- suppliers, antique dealers, clothing designers. Half the stuff you see in stores is made by huge companies that troll craft fairs and Etsy for designs that they steal and then reproduce in China.
#35
September 22, 2011 10:02 AM - dibs
Rumors that the BRICs are putting together a "Marshall Plan" for Europe.
#36
September 22, 2011 10:02 AM - jessibaby
I might have two caned chairs to sell. I bought them at the flea a year or so ago. $400 for the pair. Would anyone with an etsy store like to help me sell them? You'd get a good cut.
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:02 AM
#37
September 22, 2011 10:04 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
or we can do a complete overhaul on the type of government we have. do we really need congress? a "president" (i hate that term, id rather we have a Queen actually), house of representatives, senators, etc etc etc. why do we need all of that again?
i also think the original 13 states should secede (sp?) and texas to become it's own country and california to become a commonwealth of mexica.

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 10:04 AM
#38
September 22, 2011 10:06 AM - petebklyn
coming up with a plan that is more ambitious is easy and probably more what is needed......but political reality is those plans would be blocked by you know who.

Edited at September 22, 2011 10:06 AM
#39
September 22, 2011 10:09 AM - Bedstuymaven
I might have two caned chairs to sell. I bought them at the flea a year or so ago - Craigslist would be a better place to sell the chairs
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:09 AM
#40
September 22, 2011 10:11 AM - Slopefarm
Agreed, Pete.

rob, you remind me of the sound truck in "Nashville" on behalf of a presidential candidate of the Replacement Party.
#41
September 22, 2011 10:13 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I find kickstarter pathetic and selfish. Why should your stupid art film or album be other peoples charity?! There are so many legitimate charities that actually benefit the world and need the money!
#42
September 22, 2011 10:13 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Half the stuff you see in stores is made by huge companies that troll craft fairs and Etsy for designs that they steal and then reproduce in China.

ooooh oh yeah, i remember reading a story about someone who had a jewlery etsy store and ... blanking on the name of the store, but they essentially completely stole her design. oh... H&M!!!

*rob*

#43
September 22, 2011 10:13 AM - minard lafever
The economy is a train wreck. Obama is increasingly looking like toast.
It is really a shame. It seemed like such a good idea at the time.

#44
September 22, 2011 10:15 AM - jessibaby
Cool. Craigslist would be easier for sure. Just didn't realize I'd be able to tap the same sort of buyers. The chairs are hand caned with real silver leaf.
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:15 AM
#45
September 22, 2011 10:16 AM - dibs
You could also do ebay and make it for local pickup only.
#46
September 22, 2011 10:16 AM - Bedstuymaven
Half the stuff you see in stores is made by huge companies that troll craft fairs and Etsy for designs that they steal and then reproduce in China.

Bxgrl - you are so right. I use to do craft fairs in the 80's and early '09's, Many of my fellow designers and I saw our stuff knocked off and sold at flea markets or by Chinese wholesalers.
#47
September 22, 2011 10:17 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I find kickstarter pathetic and selfish. Why should your stupid art film or album be other peoples charity?! There are so many legitimate charities that actually benefit the world and need the money!

EXACTLY! maybe they shouldnt have blown thru their trust funds and allowances so soon!!!

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 10:17 AM
#48
September 22, 2011 10:18 AM - minard lafever
an increasingly large part of my retirement income is looking to be selling stuff on ebay.

Edited at September 22, 2011 10:18 AM
#49
September 22, 2011 10:18 AM - bxgrl
It's true rob. We used to see all these corporate types walking through the fairs, never buying a thing but taking notes and pictures. I know several artists who saw their designs the following year in stores like macy's.
#50
September 22, 2011 10:19 AM - minard lafever
being an artist has never been a good living.
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:19 AM
#51
September 22, 2011 10:20 AM - bxgrl
Anyone else having a problem with certain webpages not loading or refreshing properly? Seems I have a problem the lat few days. I can't see the NYTimes home page today but I have no problem reading any of its other pages. And my google page won't refresh at all.
#52
September 22, 2011 10:21 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
bxgrl, yes, a lot of websites lately just are flat out a mess ive noticed when it comes to comments and stuff.. maybe the internet in general is breaking down?



*rob*

#53
September 22, 2011 10:21 AM - minard lafever
no problems here, bx.
#54
September 22, 2011 10:22 AM - Bedstuymaven
Cool. Craigslist would be easier for sure. Just didn't realize I'd be able to tap the same sort of buyers. The chairs are hand caned with real silver leaf. - Some thing need to be seen, touch and sat on. There are buyers for higher end goods on Craigslist.
#55
September 22, 2011 10:23 AM - jessibaby
True, eBay could work. I already have an easy accountfoe buying stuff and I guess I could set up a sad store with one item but yeah, craigslist or eBay probably better.
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:23 AM
#56
September 22, 2011 10:25 AM - Deleted
oooh - fine knitwear? i totally need a slouch beanie for this winter
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:25 AM
#57
September 22, 2011 10:26 AM - dibs
Higher quality buyers on ebay.


"being an artist has never been a good living." But oftentimes for the estate of the deceased artist!!!!
#58
September 22, 2011 10:27 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
sometimes im broke and will sell one of my monthly metrocards on craigslist. ive probably done it maybe 10 times over the last few years. every single time it's been an asian man who comes and buys it. every.single.time hahaha hmm except one other time. another craigslist story, i used to buy tons of old school video game stuff on craigslist and would sometimes have to go to the persons house or apartment to pick it up. went to someones house once and said id rather make sure everything works. the guy was reluctant but finally agreed. walked thru the door and passed his wife or girlfriend in the kitchen and into the living room. she calls out his name to come into the kitchen and she starts whispering (VERY LOUDLY) why are you letting digsusting strangers into our house like that!? !?! hahahah

*rob*

#59
September 22, 2011 10:27 AM - Bedstuymaven
Jessie - you don't need to set up and ebay store. You can just sell one item.
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:27 AM
#60
September 22, 2011 10:28 AM - dibs
One comment so far on brownstoner.

No twitter thread today??????
#61
September 22, 2011 10:28 AM - minard lafever
4 jersey commuter trains stuck in tunnel under Hudson due to electrical problems. This is why commuting in NYC sucks. You are at the mercy of infrastructure built during the Harding administration.
#62
September 22, 2011 10:29 AM - Deleted
is it common for a landlord to put in an thru the wall a/c sleeve and then make you buy the unit (in October) and then offer to buy it off of you when you move out?
#63
September 22, 2011 10:29 AM - dibs
BSM is right, no need for an ebay store. But get a PayPal account.
#64
September 22, 2011 10:36 AM - dibs
Never heard of that one, dh. I don't think a landlord can make you pay for anything other than your rent. What % is he offering to buy it back at end of lease?????????????
#65
September 22, 2011 10:36 AM - Arkady
dh - How'd he make you buy it? My tenants typically sell the unit to the next tenant but not every time.
#66
September 22, 2011 10:37 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
"being an artist has never been a good living."

that's not true.

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 10:37 AM
#67
September 22, 2011 10:37 AM - bxgrl
BSM- I saw some handcrocheted hats in one of those stores in midtown, the Chinese stores that bring in cheap stuff from China- all rip offs of hats I saw years ago in the craft shows. Which shows did you do? My sister and I were doing them in the90's also. the hi-end juried shows like Lincoln Center.
#68
September 22, 2011 10:38 AM - bxgrl
DH- that's a new one.
#69
September 22, 2011 10:39 AM - Deleted
he just contacted and said that if we wanted he'll pick up and install the A/C if we pay for it (it's like 600 bux) - we don't have to but it will be drafty. personally i don't care, just seems weird. he cut out the sleeve, the a/c should be part of the rental property and IMO an expense he eats.

probably better though paying upfront rather than paying an extra 50 bucks a month in rent or whatever he woudl jack it up

he didn't say what % he would buy back - he's a pretty honest guy so i'm not worried about being jipped.
#70
September 22, 2011 10:42 AM - Arkady
Your choice, dh. You can fill the sleeve w/ packing material so it doesn't conduct cold air. Maybe go on line to P.C.Richards to see end-of-season-deals on units to see if he is gypping you.
#71
September 22, 2011 10:44 AM - Deleted
yeah arkady, i'll check it out.

an a/c is going to have to go in there eventually. i'd rather just get it out of the way now rather than have to worry about installation in the spring.

600 bux does sound high tho
#72
September 22, 2011 10:44 AM - Deleted
i really hope it's a fedders!!
#73
September 22, 2011 10:45 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I normally hate standup but this is a really funny bit about craigslist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtXMKKNAmfg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
#74
September 22, 2011 10:45 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
600 does sound high, is it a nice big ac tho? id probably want to get it out of the way as well instead of waiting for that first hot day. that's no fun . also what if we have a crazy ass heatwave this winter?


*rob*

#75
September 22, 2011 10:47 AM - Deleted
yeah rob - the sleeve is huge, so i'm assuming it will be around the same size.

just looked on pc richards and looks like sleeve a/cs start around 500 bux :-\

sux cuz i have a ton of window a/c units at home just sitting in my parents shed.
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:47 AM
#76
September 22, 2011 10:47 AM - dibs
"I normally hate standup"

What kind of comedy do you like, randi??? The three stooges????
#77
September 22, 2011 10:47 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
also having an AC in and ready to use at any given moment is good in case of a home invasion. that's why i never bother taking mine out of the window anymore.

*rob*

#78
September 22, 2011 10:48 AM - denton
Sitting in a fucking asbestos deposition with ten douchy lawyers. Supoosed to start anhour ago. Waiting for some other douche from LI

Edited at September 22, 2011 10:48 AM
#79
September 22, 2011 10:48 AM - Donatella
Disgraceful execution last night. Shameful.
#80
September 22, 2011 10:49 AM - Arkady
Friedrich are best, dh. Where is the sleeve? Low to the ground or up high? Should be up high.
#81
September 22, 2011 10:50 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I like funny movies and tv shows or whatever but I tend to find standup (with the exception of classics like steve Martin or bill hicks) stupid and predictable. But this aziz ansari stuff is fucking hilarious...plus his stage name is Raaaaaaaandy!

Laughyourdickoff.com
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:50 AM
#82
September 22, 2011 10:50 AM - Bedstuymaven
Bxgl. Lincoln Center, NYU, St. John Divine, Jersey, Long Island, a Christmas on at a church in the village, Connecticut.
#83
September 22, 2011 10:50 AM - dibs
denton, are you getting paid for sitting there like the lawyers are????
#84
September 22, 2011 10:51 AM - Bedstuymaven
I was not doing knitwear then, jewelry and clothing.
#85
September 22, 2011 10:53 AM - Deleted
it's very high up, arkady.
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:53 AM
#86
September 22, 2011 10:54 AM - petebklyn
you see lots of a/c sleeves in buildings with no a/c in them. Some people buy (or have anyway) regular window a/c units because much cheaper to buy (and more transportable to next abode).
Those that really fit sleeves are much more expensive...for what reason who knows.
#87
September 22, 2011 10:55 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I don't understand why we are talking about ac now that summer is over?
#88
September 22, 2011 10:57 AM - denton
One douche reading a book on sailing. Nice. I get paid same as i do every day plus 75 to appear

#89
September 22, 2011 10:57 AM - bxgrl
BSM- I'll email you- I bet we were doing shows at the same time. I did those too. Morristown?
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:57 AM
#90
September 22, 2011 10:57 AM - denton
Which one dona?

Edited at September 22, 2011 10:57 AM
#91
September 22, 2011 10:57 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
yeah screw ac talk. so what is everyone going to be for halloween this year?

*rob*

#92
September 22, 2011 10:59 AM - dibs
The black guy in Georgia who killed the security guard.
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:58 AM
#93
September 22, 2011 11:01 AM - Slopefarm
And in other news, Mr. B's Thursday links photo is of the disaster of a building at 7th Ave/2nd street that always generates some discussion and gossip. Not a single comment.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:01 AM
#94
September 22, 2011 11:01 AM - denton
What about the white guy? He got wasted too. Good for his ass.

#95
September 22, 2011 11:01 AM - Kensingtonian
Randi, Russell Peters is way funnier than Aziz. He totally rocks. Going to see him live in November.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:01 AM
#96
September 22, 2011 11:01 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Dibs, does it matter that he was black? Or do you say this with sarcasm?
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:01 AM
#97
September 22, 2011 11:03 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Thanks kens, I don't keep up on these things but I will look him up on YouTube.
#98
September 22, 2011 11:04 AM - dibs
I'm not getting into it, randi. The case has racial ramifications which I suspect you are unaware of.

And yes, the execution of the white supremacist was largely uncontested and there was a preponderance of evidence.

There's a third execution scheduled in Alabama for tonight.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:06 AM
#99
September 22, 2011 11:06 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I am aware of them Dave, thanks for asking.
September 22, 2011 11:07 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Btw he was convicted of killing an off duty cop, not a security guard. And there was no physical evidence and very dubious witnessed.
September 22, 2011 11:07 AM - dibs
I wasn't asking, randi.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:07 AM
September 22, 2011 11:09 AM - Donatella
Both, Denton. I believe that capital punishment is wrong and something that a civilized society should not do. Not just because an innocent could be executed. Categorically. I think that the operating principle should be the protection of society. It is not necessary to kill prisoners to protect society. I believe in the concept of just war. That murdering others is acceptable in self-protection or the protection of society. Not to save money, not to exact revenge, not to indulge the hubris of administering the ultimate justice.
September 22, 2011 11:11 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Plus the white supremacist said recently in an interview that he has no regrets and would do it again.

Either way I don't see how the death penalty itself and especially the way we carry it out is NOT cruel and unusual- Troy Davis was hours from death 3 times before and then .last night he had tom wait 4 hours past the deadline to then be killed anyway. I cant even begin tom understand the mental anguish that must put on a person. Murderer or not, that type of treatment is not what america is supposed to be about.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:11 AM
September 22, 2011 11:11 AM - dibs
The death penalty does nothing to deter crime. There should be more severe sentences for murder. Putting someone in a dark hole for the rest of their life seems more appropriate.

There should be much higher penalties for unregistered gun possession, no matter what the age.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:11 AM
September 22, 2011 11:11 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Dave why are you so hostile to me?
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:11 AM
September 22, 2011 11:12 AM - Bedstuymaven
And yes, the execution of the white supremacist was largely uncontested and there was a preponderance of evidence.

The NAACP - did speak up against both executions. The white supremacist felt no remorse and stated he would do it again. It would be hard for most people to protest his execution.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:12 AM
September 22, 2011 11:12 AM - BoerumHillScott
I go back and forth between being 90% against the death penalty and 100% against it.
September 22, 2011 11:13 AM - dibs
And every city should have a "shoot to kill" policy for someone with a gun. No need to waste money on these cretins through the legal system.
September 22, 2011 11:13 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Not just because an innocent could be executed.

i believe in karma and the Universe does NOT punish those who do not deserve it in one way or another. there is no such thing as someone getting wrongly killed.

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 11:13 AM
September 22, 2011 11:14 AM - dibs
"Dave why are you so hostile to me?"

Because you're fun to wind up!!!!! :)



September 22, 2011 11:14 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
of course on the SURFACE level there is... it appears that way anyway to those with only Earthly antennae

*rob*

September 22, 2011 11:14 AM - petebklyn
don't be so egocentric randi, dibs is equal opportunity hostile.
September 22, 2011 11:15 AM - dibs
Thank you, Tinkerbell.
September 22, 2011 11:16 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Rob, I think you should start a daily horoscope thread on this blog. I am sure you could come up with some zingers! I'm a libra, go for it....
September 22, 2011 11:18 AM - Arkady
One member of the victim's family suggested that instead of execution he should be tied to the back of a car & dragged around the way he murdered. Part of me endorses that idea.
September 22, 2011 11:18 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
ooooh that sounds fun. ill start my horoscope article tonight. besides to truly tap into the psychic part of my brain i need scented candles, a 40 ounce, and and Enya on the stereo. lol just kidding about the enya part



*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 11:18 AM
September 22, 2011 11:18 AM - Slopefarm
I find myself in agreement with dona and randi. I don't believe the death penalty provides any deterrent value, the risk of false positives is all too real, I can't see how we can avoid it being cruel and unusual, I cannot see how it can be sufficiently safeguarded so as not to be arbitrary, and on the whole I do think it has tended towards a racial bias in administration in fact, if not in intent. It also costs a lot more than life without parole, by the time you get throuugh all the proceedings, procedures, challenges, etc. It is blood lust, pure and simple. There once was an episode of In the Heat of the Night in which Carroll O'Connor witnessed an execution. Afterwards, he said there is only one way to make it not cruel and unusual: tell the convict he is free to go and then when he turns to walk away, shoot him in the back of the head.
September 22, 2011 11:19 AM - petebklyn
only time death penalty should be allowed if can absolutely be proven beyond all doubt that person voted republican more than once.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:19 AM
September 22, 2011 11:20 AM - dibs
Libra explains a lot.....

Lots of people will tell you that Libra is all love ai»d beauty and sweetness and light. That's fine, as far as it goes, but it stops a little short of accuracy. It also stops
short of Eugene O'Neill. Just because the sign is symbolized by the golden scales of justice, don't ever think that LibraAS are always perfectly balanced. It seems to be a logical deduction. After all, the purpose of scales is to balano®. However, did you ever watch the balancing process on a pair of old-fashioned pharmaceutical scales? The ultimate goal is to get both sides even, but what happens? First o(ie side is low, then the other. Up and down, and they dip until there's perfect balance. Drop into a friendly neighborhood. pharmacy and watch them in action. (Just tell the druggist you're trying to find out what makes Aunt Martha tick.)
Never again will you have a mental picture of a Libran as a calm, perfectly balanced, sweet, gracious and charming individual You'll have a mental picture of a person who has that kind of disposition half the time. The other half of the time, Libra can be annoying, quarrelsome, stubborn, restless, depressed and confused. Libra is first up, then down.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:20 AM
September 22, 2011 11:20 AM - MontroseMorris
"I go back and forth between being 90% against the death penalty and 100% against it."

I agree. It's the cases like the white supremacist's clear guilt, and horribleness of the crime that give me that 10%. No one cried that he was gone. Tim McVey, either. But I think it's better to let the guilty live than execute the innocent, especially in cases where the evidence and the case itself are totally a travesty. We shouldn't be executing people because their paperwork was late, or not filed correctly.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:20 AM
September 22, 2011 11:20 AM - Donatella
I now have another visitor cat. This one totally different in personality. It is a long, slim black cat with a little tag, Sharon.
Sharon is not shy and was also lounging on my patio furniture. She came right up and ate the tuna and checked me out and let me pet her. There is cat hair on the love seat AND the chairs. I think cats have little parties in my backyard at night. But very civilized. Sitting on my furniture.
September 22, 2011 11:21 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Maybe a weekly horoscope thread is a better idea, daily is too much to keep up with and will water down the quality.

September 22, 2011 11:27 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
oh yeah i meant monthly not daily! even weekly might be too cumbersome for me.
i completely forgot about my sex and relationship column!

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 11:27 AM
September 22, 2011 11:28 AM - dibs
Cat party, dona.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLEJm6Kjgpw&feature=fvst
September 22, 2011 11:29 AM - Deleted
hey rob - speaking of scented candles - i read this article and thought about you (it will make you angry)

http://ny.racked.com/archives/2011/09/19/oaks_new_candles_smell_like_the_recent_hipster_past.php


September 22, 2011 11:30 AM - Deleted
who doesn't want to spend 70 bucks on a candle that is supposed to remind you of what the corner of McKibben and Bogart smelled like in 2003?
September 22, 2011 11:30 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
HAAAAAAAAAAA. i read about those fauxdega moonface candles hahaha. i kinda laughed tho.

*rob*

September 22, 2011 11:31 AM - Bedstuymaven
"i completely forgot about my sex and relationship column!" You don't have sex or relationships. What will you write about?
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:31 AM
September 22, 2011 11:32 AM - Deleted
haha you laughed? you musta found your zen this week.
September 22, 2011 11:32 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
yeah that candle is supposed to smell like paint thinner. i kinda think i might like a candle that smelled that actually!

*rob*

September 22, 2011 11:35 AM - minard lafever
6-ton satellite set to crash to earth tomorrow, scientist say it will probably crash somewhere in Bucks County.

September 22, 2011 11:35 AM - Arkady
Adorable, dibs!!
September 22, 2011 11:36 AM - Donatella
Great video, dibs. Love the Pink Panther music track. My cats are more middle-aged. They sit around and talk about real estate.
September 22, 2011 11:36 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
"i completely forgot about my sex and relationship column!" You don't have sex or relationships. What will you write about?

1.) i am NOT a virgin. and 2.) ive been in relationships before. thus 3.) i have lots of advice. i gave lots of great advice, i just just got all ADHD'd and forgot about the column.

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 11:36 AM
September 22, 2011 11:37 AM - dibs
Scents from our youth for candles:

Play-Doh
White past glue
School clothes on a rainy day
Your grandmother's perfume
The bathroom after your father finished reading the Sunday paper in there

September 22, 2011 11:40 AM - Donatella
yeah, *rob* what happened with that column? I think you kept forgetting to check on it. Forgetting all bout those lonely hearts looking to you for advice.
September 22, 2011 11:40 AM - Arkady
Leaves after you've crunched through a pile of dead ones.
September 22, 2011 11:40 AM - dibs
"6-ton satellite set to crash to earth tomorrow, scientist say it will probably crash somewhere in Bucks County."

I suspect I'd be able to buy an 18th century 20 acre horse farm with the payout from NASA.
September 22, 2011 11:40 AM - ij
On that show The Doctors they had some kid who sold homemade man candles; the scents were things like:

fresh mown grass
baseball mitt
leather
September 22, 2011 11:43 AM - Donatella
eeewww, Minard.

Playdoh is very salty. Yes, I tasted it.
September 22, 2011 11:45 AM - ij
I heard someone say in an interview once, "I'd rather have 10 people convicted wrongly than one guilty person go free."
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:45 AM
September 22, 2011 11:47 AM - Deleted
"I heard someone say in an interview once, "I'd rather have 10 people convicted wrongly than one guilty person go free."

they have that backwards.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:47 AM
September 22, 2011 11:47 AM - Slopefarm
Dibs, just a warning, tort claims against government agencies are usually subject to very short notice requirements and statutes of limitations. If that thing smashes your house, do not hesitate to notify NASA of the claim or you could be SOL.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:47 AM
September 22, 2011 11:48 AM - dibs
Slopey, I plan to make a media circus of it. It'll get tried in the media and they'll settle quickly.
September 22, 2011 11:50 AM - Bedstuymaven
I want crayon scented candles.
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:50 AM
September 22, 2011 11:51 AM - dibs
"I want crayon scented candles."

Remember the "Flesh" color they offered????? I'm sure Arkady does.
September 22, 2011 11:51 AM - bxgrl
I agree- no one should be executed if there is a smidgen of doubt. Troy Davis' execution was a travesty. But I honestly can't worked up over the guy in texas. I saw pictures of what happened to Byrd. Maybe it would have been better to let him live and once a week take him out and drag him behind a truck in the prison yard. But in all honesty, I don't consider people like him human. Sorry- I don't. They tortured and killed Byrd, dumped his body and went to a goddam barbeque after doing it.
September 22, 2011 11:52 AM - Slopefarm
Great plan, but don't screw up the notice requirements. Otherwise you might not see a dime. So, I take it you are hoping for a hit and won't be visiting your country house until that thing lands somewhere? Also, I take it you are praying it doesn't hit Dilly's Corner.
September 22, 2011 11:55 AM - Bedstuymaven
Playdoh is very salty. Yes, I tasted it. When I was a kid we made our own playdoh, flour salt, water and food coloring. I think we also added baking soda to keep it fresh.
September 22, 2011 11:58 AM - Slopefarm
Bad news, dibs. Looks like you won't be buying that horse farm with settlement money after all.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/09/19/uars_climate_satellite_expected_to_crash_into_earth_on_friday.html
Edited at September 22, 2011 11:58 AM
September 22, 2011 12:02 PM - Bedstuymaven
Maybe it would have been better to let him live and once a week take him out and drag him behind a truck in the prison yard. The perfect interpretation of an eye for an eye.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:02 PM
September 22, 2011 12:08 PM - Kensingtonian
I am with Dave on the death penalty. If it can be proven without a doubt, kill 'em.

And serious question for bxgrl and MM...How is the white supremacist any different from a gangbanger who did a drive by and killed an innocent bystander? The KKK dude without a doubt deserved the death penalty but so does the guy who pulls a gun and blindly shoots and takes a life of someone who happened to be in a wrong place at a wrong time. Who care whether he had remorse or not. He/she took a life, so they don't deserve theirs. I can see a person rotting in jail for life if they took a life due to revenge (say the father of the innocent bystander hunts down the gangbanger and bashes his/her head with a bat) but that's about the only time I think a person should get life and not dealth penalty.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:08 PM
September 22, 2011 12:12 PM - Donatella
I said eeeewwww, Minard. I meant eeeewwwww, dibs.
September 22, 2011 12:14 PM - Arkady
I found equivalents when Binney & Smith stopped the pinkish 'flesh' - I think it was renamed either Peach or Apricot. At the same time J&J changed Band-Aid Brand Adhesive Strips (BABAS) too. (Play-doh wasn't invented until I was grown.)
I'm generally against the death penalty - would rather a lingering punishment in hopes of eventual contrition but that wasn't going to happen w/ Davis.
September 22, 2011 12:15 PM - bxgrl
Kens- I really have no good answer. I don't see any difference between the Texas guy and a drive by shooter. I don't believe in wholesale execution but at what point does society fulfill it's obligations to its citizens while at the same time dispensing justice.? I wonder why there was even a question that Brewer should be allowed to live being supported by taxpayers, but contributing absolutely nothing to that society except no regrets and no promise he would not kill again. For the record I would have absolutely no problem shooting a Nazi war criminal either. But in every case, there would have to be absolutely no doubt of guilt. I yes, I do think circumstances have a lot to do with it. The woman on trial for killing her abusive husband? I call it self-defense.
September 22, 2011 12:16 PM - bxgrl
Arkady- I think you mean Brewer- the guy from Texas.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:16 PM
September 22, 2011 12:16 PM - Arkady
Kens - It pisses me off when a d-u-i kills someone & only gets his license taken away. The person's dead, for heaven's sake!
September 22, 2011 12:17 PM - Arkady
You're right, bxgrl. (12:15 & 16.)
September 22, 2011 12:22 PM - Kensingtonian
I understand what you're saying but as a society, we have an obligation to protect our citizens and that means harsh endings to those who blindly hurt society and its citizens. That should teach lessons to those who think twice about taking lives. Some of these gangbangers or white supremacists don’t' care because their buddies are in jails and they don't think twice because they'll have a pretty decent time getting fed and playing cards with their buddies in prison yards. A needle or an electric chair will make people think twice. Maybe not those that have no remorse or reason to live but the other ones that still have some sense left in them.

Nazi war criminal is a little bit a tough decision. I can imagine myself being a 18 year old German and working in the concentration camp not really having any idea what it really is and how it affected lives of people and how it would affect me. Given that the Nazi just worked there and not the one that pressed the button at the gas chambers or forcefully abused Jews. There are stories upon stores how a lot of the Nazi's working at the camps treated the prisons with human decency and regard. So that's a tougher question in my mind.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:22 PM
September 22, 2011 12:24 PM - Kensingtonian
oh I am with you Arkady. That DUI driver should rot in jail (maybe not dealth penalty but definitely life). Same goes for someone who is high on drugs and takes a life.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:24 PM
September 22, 2011 12:25 PM - Bedstuymaven
And serious question for bxgrl and MM...How is the white supremacist any different from a gangbanger who did a drive by and killed an innocent bystander? Please don't turn this into a race issue. If the person who was executed was a black nationalist and the crime and sentiments of the killer were the same. Our views would be the same. If you want to race bait go to Brownstoner.
September 22, 2011 12:26 PM - Donatella
I believe that the operating principle should be the protection of society, not exacting ultimate justice. If society can be protected by having a psychopath locked up, then lock him up. And we can protect society by jailing these people. This has nothing to do with the sympathy we feel for the criminal or the outrage we feel for his crime. There are a lot of psychopaths who do not feel remorse. But are we wise enough to be figuring out who is a sympathetic criminal and who is not? I don't know anyone is wise enough to be playing God.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:26 PM
September 22, 2011 12:26 PM - Slopefarm
I understand what you're saying but as a society, we have an obligation to protect our citizens and that means harsh endings to those who blindly hurt society and its citizens. That should teach lessons to those who think twice about taking lives."

Kens, I hear you but I disagree. I do not think death penalty has that effect and I don't think it has been shown to have that effect. I know a lot of people feel that it does, but I believe that is a gut reaction.
September 22, 2011 12:29 PM - dibs
If you're going to have a death penalty, why make it "humane." I'm for something like feeding people to the lions or a slow death in a tank of water or set on fire. And put it on youtube. Maybe that'll be a deterrent.
September 22, 2011 12:33 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
if i had to pick a way to go, id pick the electric chair.

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 12:33 PM
September 22, 2011 12:34 PM - dibs
Why's that rob???
September 22, 2011 12:35 PM - Kensingtonian
huh BSM? I didn't address you and not making a racial issue out of it. typical of you to say that and jump with the brownstoner commment. I addressed MM mostly because she said that 10% of her thinks we should have a dealth penalty in cases like the white supremacist. So I asked her if she thought a gangbanger is different, that's all. Gangbangers can be white or mexican or asian too you know. I didn't say anything about NYC, I am talking in general.

If it pleases your highness, how about I rephrase and say anyone that shoots anyone on the street that's not directly involved with a person in anyway. Doesn't change my question.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:35 PM
September 22, 2011 12:37 PM - ij
I don't think it's possible for the death penalty to be a deterrent, what with all the appeals. If you are convicted of a capital offense you can safely assume it's 10 years or more until you need to worry. Criminals don't think in 10 year intervals.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:37 PM
September 22, 2011 12:38 PM - dibs
The gangbangers in gran Torino were Hmong.....
September 22, 2011 12:39 PM - Kensingtonian
Slopey, maybe you're right with statustics, I have no idea BUT you're also right that a the gut action is always an eye for an eye.

Kinda like the same argument with gun ownership. Some think that more guns in people's hand would equal more violence and some think less violence since you'll think twice taking shots at someone who might be "packing".

Those are all very difficult society questions and in terms of dealth penalty, it's just my opinion and my feeling, just like you have yours and your feelings. I just think that a dealth penalty will have a greater effect on protection of our society than not having it. I can totally understand why you would disagree.

Again, that's what makes this the greatest country in the world. We can freely discuss these things and disagree on them. Not so much in my homeland.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:39 PM
September 22, 2011 12:40 PM - Slopefarm
RIP REM. Great, jst great, in their heyday. Phoned it in a bit as of late but who wouldn't after 3 decades.

In other quasi rock&roll news: http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/09/22/huntsmania_the_captain_beefheart_bounce.html
September 22, 2011 12:42 PM - Arkady
If punishment is supposed to be a deterrent then nothing we do is effective. Prisons are too country-clubbish it seems - & not just the white collar ones. Death penalty certainly isn't - & I agree w/ Slopey, given how costly the appeals are, it's really dumb to keep it on the books: all that money could go to early childhood education & maybe we'd winnow the criminal population.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:42 PM
September 22, 2011 12:42 PM - Slopefarm
"Again, that's what makes this the greatest country in the world. We can freely discuss these things and disagree on them. Not so much in my homeland."
Agreed.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:42 PM
September 22, 2011 12:42 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
it's disgusting outside today hot and muggy. i so got used to the nice cool weather last week :( and seeing people wearing scarves makes me all itchy and hot. gross

*rob*

September 22, 2011 12:43 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
if you think that we can "freely discuss things" in this country you are sorely mistaken.

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 12:43 PM
September 22, 2011 12:44 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Slopefarm you need and avatar
September 22, 2011 12:44 PM - Deleted
there's some states that still allow you to choose exectution method. every once in a while some nut in Utah chooses to go by firing squad.
September 22, 2011 12:45 PM - Kensingtonian
"Slopey, given how costly the appeals are, it's really dumb to keep it on the books: all that money could go to early childhood education & maybe we'd winnow the criminal population."

Hmmm, never thought of it that way. Are the appeals more costly to the state/govt than keeping a prisoner in jail for life (I think I read somewhere that it costs the state 50K a year per prisoner).
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:45 PM
September 22, 2011 12:46 PM - Slopefarm
I know, randi, I know. I need to do it from home. Heavy duty filters at work. My home computer is in the shop. But yes, duly noted, and not for the first time. [If you really need to see an avatar for me, go to that other site. It is still there.]
September 22, 2011 12:47 PM - Biff Champion
We can't even freely discuss things on Brownstoner these days.
September 22, 2011 12:47 PM - Kensingtonian
Rob, you've never been outside of US or lived anywhere else. What do you have to compare against?

And please tell me oh wise one what I can't freely discuss in this country.
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:47 PM
September 22, 2011 12:48 PM - Bedstuymaven
Ken - Gang banging is typically associated with Blacks and Hispanics. Yes, you should choose your words more carefully in the future. MM said in case like the white supremacist. Which means any vile, disgusting human being who does not value human life and is unrepentant.
September 22, 2011 12:49 PM - Deleted
discuss freely doesn't mean everyone has to like or agree with what your saying. it just means the gov't won't hunt you down and shoot you for saying something controversial
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:49 PM
September 22, 2011 12:50 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Rob, you've never been outside of US or lived anywhere else. What do you have to compare against?
And please tell me oh wise one what I can't freely discuss in this country.

i've been all over the Universe on the internet so youre wearing the moot suit. and there are tons of things you cannot discuss or do in this country without being completely ostracised/penalized/ and psychologically pulverized. our freedoms are extremely limited, even moreso with each passing day.


*rob*

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September 22, 2011 12:50 PM - Deleted
"Gang banging is typically associated with Blacks and Hispanics"

says who? the term gang banging originated in LA - lots more gangs than blacks and hispanics there.
September 22, 2011 12:53 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
it just means the gov't won't hunt you down and shoot you for saying something controversial

that's a JOKE right? remember when i made the joke about the flea and you all bugged out and had my posts removed cuz you said the government was come knocking on my door!?!? what i said was a passing joke, but even a passing joke can be illegal. what about screaming fire in a movie theatre? that's illegal. plooferic examples, yes. but there are millions of other examples and i dont have all day

Edited at September 22, 2011 12:53 PM
September 22, 2011 12:54 PM - dibs
Gotta agree with dh on the term "gangbanger"
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:54 PM
September 22, 2011 12:54 PM - Biff Champion
"every once in a while some nut in Utah chooses to go by firing squad."

I would opt for death by smothering.
September 22, 2011 12:56 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
there are also white gangbangers too you know. if they were all treated as urban terrorists, perhaps it wouldnt be such a problem... but that would never happen

*rob*

September 22, 2011 12:56 PM - Bedstuymaven
Gang banging is typically associated with Blacks and Hispanics"

says who? the term gang banging originated in LA - lots more gangs than blacks and hispanics there.

Tell me the last time you saw a news story or a documentary about LA gangs that featured a white gang.
September 22, 2011 12:57 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
great coworkers just saw that on my screen

*rob*

September 22, 2011 12:57 PM - MontroseMorris
Kens, for me, anyway, the death penalty is not one of those easy questions to say, "Yes, fry 'em all if they're guilty", or "No, no one deserves to be put to death." Sadly, like most people, it's situational for me. I don't think it deters anyone from doing anything, so keeping it for that reason doesn't wash for me. As inured to grisly scenes of murder as we are as a society, even a public execution is no deterrent, and is primitive and barbaric. A lot of people would even enjoy it.

I guess it's a matter of guilt, and the societal horror of the crime. There was no doubt the guy in Texas, Brewer, was guilty of dragging and killing someone for no reason at all except for the color of his skin. A drive by gangbanger execution is only marginally less heinous. But sticking a needle in his arm isn't a deterrent, it's pure and simple vengeance. It makes us feel better about ridding the evil from among us, and makes us feel better about not being capable of the same kind of evil. Unfortunately, lots of people are, whether from hatred, or jealousy, rage, greed, or mental illness. It just isn't simple. So maybe we shouldn't do it. Like I said, 90% against it, fuzzy about the other 10%.
September 22, 2011 12:57 PM - Biff Champion
It seems the first thing that comes to mind when I hear "gang bang" is not the same as what everyone else immediately thinks.
September 22, 2011 12:58 PM - dibs
Biff, you don't get to pick the "smotherer"


Edited at September 22, 2011 12:59 PM
September 22, 2011 12:58 PM - Deleted
i was living in LA during the whole gang fiasco in the mid 90s. some of the most feared gangs were the asian ones

gangs in NY are pretty poseurish compared to the ones in LA. bloods and crips made it out here, but they're no where as big and scary as they were in LA (initiation one year consisted of shooting up the prom at the local highschool in my town)


September 22, 2011 12:59 PM - dibs
Asian gangs all over the west coast
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:59 PM
September 22, 2011 12:59 PM - Biff Champion
"Tell me the last time you saw a news story or a documentary about LA gangs that featured a white gang."

Wasn't Our Gang mostly white and in LA?
Edited at September 22, 2011 12:59 PM
September 22, 2011 1:00 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
there are white gangbangers in LA. gangs are predominantly a problem in communities / families with broken families. always has been, always will. while im not a fan of families (they make me barf), i do see their function and importance.


*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 1:00 PM
September 22, 2011 1:00 PM - dibs
Another stupid broker just called me with stupid questions, most of which are answered on the listings I posted.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:00 PM
September 22, 2011 1:01 PM - Biff Champion
Rob, you can disable images from showing up on your screen. It's a very handy feature.
September 22, 2011 1:02 PM - petebklyn
maybe your usage/meaning of the word originated in LA, but not everyones.
September 22, 2011 1:03 PM - BoerumHillScott
That's the problem with our language and assumptions made based on it - there are many different assumptions.

When and where I lived in L.A., if I heard about gang activity I assumed Latino or possibly Armenian, because that's who I heard of operating in my area of the city.

I'm sure if I lived in a different part of the city or at a different time, I would have totally different assumptions.
September 22, 2011 1:04 PM - Biff Champion
By the way, does the blond girl in the Our Gang pic remind anyone else of a young WonTon?
September 22, 2011 1:04 PM - petebklyn
you have answers to stupid questions on your listing?
like these:
Why is an alarm clock going "off" when it actually turns on?
If you mated a bull dog and a shitsu, would it be called a bullshit?
September 22, 2011 1:04 PM - BoerumHillScott
Ha Biff, now that you mention it I can see the resemblance.

September 22, 2011 1:05 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
one of my fantasies is getting jumped into a female black gang.

*rob*

September 22, 2011 1:05 PM - dibs
A gangbanger is actually worse than other members of society who largely commit murders for a particular reason. A gangbanger has a culture of violence instilled in him and is less likely to ever reform. A killing for money or passion by a non gang related person is a different sort of crime in many ways. Gangbangers kill over territory or because they may have been "dissed" or something else as idiotic.
September 22, 2011 1:06 PM - petebklyn
what does 'getting jumped into a gang' mean? Did that originate in new jersey?
September 22, 2011 1:08 PM - petebklyn
"while im not a fan of families (they make me barf), i do see their function and importance."
I see dysfunction and impotence.
September 22, 2011 1:08 PM - Kensingtonian
I watch my share of crappy TV and one show I watched for a while is Gangland. Lots of Hispanic and Asian gangs and in all instances, the term gangbanging was used.
And if you freely agreed that most of the newspaper articles point to gangbanging associated with mostly Black and Hispanics, why is it so wrong for me to use it and then be associated with Race baiting.

Do you see me jumping on MM when she mentioned a white supremasict as race baiting and should be taken to Brownstoner?

You are jumping on me for no good reason and now trying to backpedal out of it. How about every time you'll make any comment that remotely even smells like a term to "put down the white man" I'll just all over you for race baiting and tell you to go to Brownstoner?
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:08 PM
September 22, 2011 1:10 PM - dibs
Right, Kens, not all "supremecists" are white. Ever meet any Singaporeans??????
September 22, 2011 1:11 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
getting jumped into a gang means getting initiated into it. its done by a lot of female gang members within gangs. (yes ive read many gang novels and books btw) lol. basically to get accepted by the other chicks in the gang you have to get your ass kicked. what is with you and all the stupid jersey references btw? <3 jersey

*rob*

September 22, 2011 1:11 PM - petebklyn
is she gangbanging you when she is jumping on you?
September 22, 2011 1:11 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Biff there really is something special about an asain lady with huge boobs.
September 22, 2011 1:12 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
BSM is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE race baitor btw.

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 1:12 PM
September 22, 2011 1:12 PM - Kensingtonian
"But sticking a needle in his arm isn't a deterrent, it's pure and simple vengeance. It makes us feel better about ridding the evil from among us, and makes us feel better about not being capable of the same kind of evil. Unfortunately, lots of people are, whether from hatred, or jealousy, rage, greed, or mental illness." - MM.

I agree with you 110% about that. I am guilty of that myself.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:12 PM
September 22, 2011 1:12 PM - petebklyn
didn't diana ross sing for the supremacists?
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:12 PM
September 22, 2011 1:13 PM - dibs
Getting popcorn.
September 22, 2011 1:13 PM - petebklyn
kens, you stick a need in your arm?
September 22, 2011 1:14 PM - petebklyn
and gsh is a master baiter.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:14 PM
September 22, 2011 1:16 PM - Kensingtonian
Now I have NEVER seen or heard of an all female gang. I've heard of gangs having females initiated into the gang but never an all out female gang.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:16 PM
September 22, 2011 1:16 PM - DeadCatBounce
They should use the death penalty cases for medical experiments. Or at least harvest the organs!
September 22, 2011 1:17 PM - Kensingtonian
lol Pete, not that I know of.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:17 PM
September 22, 2011 1:17 PM - dibs
All female gang....
September 22, 2011 1:18 PM - Bedstuymaven
The media rarely uses the term gang banger when referring to white gangs as gang banger. You hear white supremacist, skin heads, Aryan Nation. A few weeks ago I watched almost a whole series about gang on one of those true crime channels. Every can featured was black, Hispanic or Asian. One episode feature gangs in Utah. The police associated gang banging and drive bys with Mexicans and Blacks. When they got there first call about a drive by they were certain that it was a mistake. The members of the gang featured were American Samoan. Seem the Mormon church did a bang up job recruiting American Samoans many of which moved from LA to Utah for a better life. Their kids, former member of the crips and other LA gangs, started new chapter in Utah.
September 22, 2011 1:19 PM - BoerumHillScott
Request everyone: please address the statements people make and not the people themselves in a negative way.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:19 PM
September 22, 2011 1:19 PM - Donatella
Pete: didn't diana ross sing for the supremacists?

hahahaaaa.........I can go out now. Thanks Pete.

Edited at September 22, 2011 1:19 PM
September 22, 2011 1:21 PM - dibs
BSM, you are walking a very fine line here on your insistance that most gangbangers are black or hispanic. You can't say that on one hand to combat a racial stereotype and than berate people for using the stereotype since you're insisting it's largely true.
September 22, 2011 1:22 PM - Slopefarm
I Marvelette your wit, Pete.
September 22, 2011 1:22 PM - DeadCatBounce
DIBS, are you buying stocks today?
September 22, 2011 1:22 PM - Deleted
Hehe. Samoans. They are big crazy mofos. They have their own gangs too but were often cool with the Hispanic ones

Ms13 wasnt around yet when I was living. They're supposedly the scariest
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:22 PM
September 22, 2011 1:22 PM - bxgrl
I do agree for the most part with MM but I come from an anthropological viewpoint and it isn't always about vengeance. In a lot of older societies and civilizations it was about balance. I mean, if you look at the death penalty as just vengeance, then isn't anything we do to punish a perpetrator vengeance? It's a very slippery slope because in one sense, if you say Brewer should not have been put to death because of what he did to another human being, then how much are we really valuing human life? Add to that victims of crime often suffer horribly long after it's over, while we are spending huge amounts of money feeding and housing criminals. I don't have any good answers, I only have questions. But I wonder at where we draw a line in the sand when it comes to human lives?

And yes- I agree- drunk drivers should be locked up.
September 22, 2011 1:23 PM - petebklyn
"please address the statements people make and not the people themselves in a negative way."
or at least add "Loves and Kisses" to end of your remarks.
September 22, 2011 1:24 PM - Slopefarm
Sorry, dona.
September 22, 2011 1:24 PM - Donatella
Kens, I was evading a female gang for several months when I was a kid. It was led by CORINNE ROSSI. She was Italian and had two thugettes backing her up. She taught me everything I know about intimidation and terrorism. uh, no, a wait a minute. Nah, that would be the nuns.
September 22, 2011 1:24 PM - Kensingtonian
Thank you Dave! Exactly what I was trying to say.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:24 PM
September 22, 2011 1:25 PM - Bedstuymaven
Hehe. Samoans. They are big crazy mofos. They have their own gangs too but were often cool with the Hispanic ones.

The Samoans in Utah were former members of Hispanic gangs in LA.
September 22, 2011 1:26 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
the Beauty Truck is parked outside!!! and they are giving away free makeovers!!!

*rob*

September 22, 2011 1:27 PM - dibs
I always drooled over the Samoan players during the Hong Kong Rugby Sevens.
September 22, 2011 1:27 PM - Kensingtonian
DH, I saw gangland about MS13. Totally scariest out of all Gangland episodes.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:27 PM
September 22, 2011 1:29 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
gangbanger is used for a very specific reason tho. do you even KNOW what hoobanging is and where it originated from!? asian and white gangs often dont hoobang

*rob*

September 22, 2011 1:29 PM - dibs
There are also gay gangs of marauding queens........the scariest of all....
September 22, 2011 1:29 PM - petebklyn
when you people get all mad and excited you sound all Shirrelles.
September 22, 2011 1:30 PM - Deleted
Makes sense. Samoans had their own hustle but if they ever got into beef with black gangs in la they always had Hispanic backing.

Lots of people were leaving la in the 90s and moving to either Utah or idAho.
September 22, 2011 1:32 PM - Donatella
Bxgrl: "I only have questions. But I wonder at where we draw a line in the sand when it comes to human lives?"
I think the key principle is the protection of society. Do we need to kill anyone who has been convicted and imprisioned for murder in order to protect society? No, I don't think so.
September 22, 2011 1:32 PM - petebklyn
LA proved too much for the man. He couldn't take it.
September 22, 2011 1:32 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Now I have NEVER seen or heard of an all female gang.

uh... The CobbleSnaps!?

*rob*

September 22, 2011 1:33 PM - Kensingtonian
OK, off to another project. First it's strategically growing the business and now it's strategically cost reductions since we can't increase prices anymore or will go bankrupt. All boils down to one thing really. You create hot product = you do well (no one cares about cost to you or price on shelft). You don't have hot product = you dont' do well, no matter how much cost reducing you do.

No one wants to listen to me though. I'll prolly spend another month pulling data that will amount to absolutely nothing. Oh well. At least I have a job and get paid for it (thank god).
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:32 PM
September 22, 2011 1:33 PM - petebklyn
I hope none of those gangs have Vandellas against you.
September 22, 2011 1:33 PM - Slopefarm
Pete, everyone else is resisting the tenmptation to join this punfest. I expect two or three more puns; four, tops.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:33 PM
September 22, 2011 1:33 PM - dibs
And then there are the witches, rob.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:33 PM
September 22, 2011 1:36 PM - petebklyn
punfest will last depending on Weather Girls join in or not.
September 22, 2011 1:36 PM - Bedstuymaven
BSM, you are walking a very fine line here on your insistance that most gangbangers are black or hispanic. You can't say that on one hand to combat a racial stereotype and than berate people for using the stereotype since you're insisting it's largely true.

I am not insisting that most gang banger are black or Hispanic. I am saying the media has associated gang banging with blacks and Hispanics. I gave evidence of how the media has done this by running a 12 hour series on gangs without featuring a least one white gangs. The term gang banger is not used when speaking about the Hells Angels.
September 22, 2011 1:36 PM - Donatella
I used to work with one of the Marvelettes. She was a secretary at a bank where I worked. She was great, very funny person, very no bs. She used to tell me about all her adventures when she was young, traveling around the world. Somehow I remember her telling me how cool it was singing in Italy. Every where you go, you find somebody who pierces through the corporate bullshit and who makes you laugh. Sandy was that person.


September 22, 2011 1:37 PM - bxgrl
I love that picture, dona!

I do have to agree with kens and others- when I hear the term gangbanger I don't automatically think "Blacks". If anything I thought it was a reference to rape. I envisioned groups of frat boys doing drunk girls. You don't hear the terms White Supremecists, Aryan nation etc for gangs because it's not the same. Those are groups, and they function differently than gangs do. But gangs are not limited to Black, Asian or Hispanic. there are plenty of white ones too.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:37 PM
September 22, 2011 1:37 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
there are gay homothug gangs on christopher street on the weekends! they're kinda lolzy


*rob*

September 22, 2011 1:39 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
when I hear the term gangbanger I don't automatically think "Blacks". If anything I thought it was a reference to rape. I envisioned groups of frat boys doing drunk girls.

:-/ sorry but lol.

*rob*

September 22, 2011 1:40 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
The term gang banger is not used when speaking about the Hells Angels.

because the hell's angels arent gangbanging. DUH. they do tons of other bad shit tho, yes, but banging.

*rob*

September 22, 2011 1:41 PM - petebklyn
bxgrl, you're from my generation....guess these children have new meaning/connotation.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:41 PM
September 22, 2011 1:42 PM - dibs
The Hells Angels don't behave like a gang. Cripes, most of them are in their 50s and 60s
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:42 PM
September 22, 2011 1:42 PM - bxgrl
"I think the key principle is the protection of society. Do we need to kill anyone who has been convicted and imprisioned for murder in order to protect society? No, I don't think so."

Maybe i watch too many cop shows but prisoners do escape, and they do maintain their connections outside prison. Plus with the internet- unless you keep them in isolation without computers, you can't control them to the extent they should be. And my selfish reason: Why should my tax money go to feed a mass murderer, and not some poor kid in Appalachia? But in no way so I think the death penalty is something to be done lightly of often or without positive proof.
September 22, 2011 1:43 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
hoo bangin 43 up, 8 down
1.To fuss around or talk rubbish.
2.people yellin what gang they are in.

specifically definition number 2. organizations, groups like hells angels and other fucked up crazy groups like the aryan nation arent in combat with RIVALS. they are one sect, not different groups (gangs). thus they arent banging. i think that's why black and hispanic gangs are often referred to as gangbangers.


*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 1:43 PM
September 22, 2011 1:44 PM - dibs
bxgrl, you are sounding more and more republican every day. Welcome!!!!!!!
September 22, 2011 1:44 PM - Donatella
Kens, when do you "shuffle off to Buffalo"? (where is that song from, 42st?)


September 22, 2011 1:45 PM - bxgrl
when did the term "gangbanger" come into use?
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:45 PM
September 22, 2011 1:46 PM - bxgrl
"bxgrl, you are sounding more and more republican every day. Welcome!!!!!!!"

Oh G-d! Kill me now.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:46 PM
September 22, 2011 1:47 PM - ij
I was in a gang when I was a kid, we were pathetic.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:47 PM
September 22, 2011 1:47 PM - petebklyn
all new news to me about real 'gang' usage. I guess living in Brooklyn for 35 years has isolated me from real world.
September 22, 2011 1:48 PM - Bedstuymaven
The Hells Angels don't behave like a gang. Cripes, most of them are in their 50s and 60s - Seem the young one not longer just ride their bikes. They are involved in drug distribution and fighting over territory. Murder, Mayhem and Meth.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:48 PM
September 22, 2011 1:49 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I guess living in Brooklyn for 35 years has isolated me from real world.

awww look at petey feeling all insecure about his street cred

*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 1:49 PM
September 22, 2011 1:50 PM - Arkady
Shuffle off to Buffalo is a tap dance step. I'll show you at the next meet-up.
September 22, 2011 1:50 PM - Bedstuymaven
when did the term "gangbanger" come into use?

I would say mid 90's.
September 22, 2011 1:50 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
the hell's angels have ALWAYS been about drug distribution.

*rob*

September 22, 2011 1:50 PM - petebklyn
Did you hear of the study (I saw this in Freakonomics documentary on netflix the other night) - where attributing good % of decline in violent crime(starting in 90's) in US to liberalized abortion laws(of late 70's)? They surmised that fewer unwanted kids contributed greatly to decrease in crime.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:50 PM
September 22, 2011 1:51 PM - dibs
Don't you wish Obama was as good a singer as Bush?????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_vv12NSSZ4
September 22, 2011 1:51 PM - Arkady
A flap, shuffle, change; flap, shuffle, change; etc. & ending w/ a flap, ball, change. (Learned in 6th grade & never forgot.)
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:51 PM
September 22, 2011 1:53 PM - Kensingtonian
not yet Dona (thank god). I might swing it working for NYC with flying up there for a week every month or two and just being a road warrior for a bit. In longer terms, looking like I'll be going out there though because I am sorta having one foot out the door mentality like Minard. Freakin Verazzano bridge is 16 bucks now. MTA raising prices every year and commuting is getting worse. Just getting fed up with NYC and I think I'll be way better off raising a family in suburbs of Buffalo.

Headquarters up there offers subsidized, gym, full daycare, cafeteria on site for next to nothing and I can buy a really decent house for next to nothing. More and more sounding like a no brainer.
Edited at September 22, 2011 1:53 PM
September 22, 2011 1:53 PM - petebklyn
that's another term never heard to Mr. B started using on brownstoner : 'street cred'.
Does this younger yuppified generation have some fetish with 'gang' culture?
September 22, 2011 1:55 PM - Bedstuymaven
awww look at petey feeling all insecure about his street cred

Pete - I don't have street creds either. I am just a moonface trying to make it in Brooklyn. Hey, that could be a great title for an off-Broadway musical. Kinda like Rent. But instead of songs about trying to pay the bills we'll sing about mommy and daddy lowering the limit on our credits.
September 22, 2011 1:57 PM - Biff Champion
If there's a speed of sound and a speed of light is there a speed of smell?
September 22, 2011 1:57 PM - Bedstuymaven
I have never heard anyone one use "street cred" in real life, only on TV.
September 22, 2011 1:58 PM - bxgrl
I'm with kens. shufflin' off anywhere out of NYC looks good to me.
September 22, 2011 1:59 PM - Biff Champion
First Known Use of GANGBANGER
1969

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gangbanger
September 22, 2011 1:59 PM - petebklyn
Moonface over VanBuren
September 22, 2011 2:00 PM - dibs
I'd like to get gangbanged
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:00 PM
September 22, 2011 2:00 PM - Bedstuymaven
Biff - I like plug-ugly.
September 22, 2011 2:01 PM - Biff Champion
"A flap, shuffle, change; flap, shuffle, change; etc. & ending w/ a flap, ball, change."

- The Joy of Sex, Chapter III


Edited at September 22, 2011 2:01 PM
September 22, 2011 2:01 PM - Bedstuymaven
Moonface over VanBuren - I like it!!!
September 22, 2011 2:02 PM - petebklyn
"is there a speed of smell?" -- ask the poo-mist expert.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:02 PM
September 22, 2011 2:02 PM - Biff Champion
"A flip, shuffle, change; flip, shuffle, change; etc. & ending w/ a flip, ball, change."

- The Joy of Versatile Sex, Chapter III

September 22, 2011 2:03 PM - Arkady
brownian movement, biffy.
September 22, 2011 2:04 PM - dibs
he who smelt it dealt it, Biff.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:04 PM
September 22, 2011 2:04 PM - petebklyn
gotta be careful where you go when shuffle outa NYC. Lot of republicans hiding behind bushes out there.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:04 PM
September 22, 2011 2:05 PM - Biff Champion
"he who smelt it dealt it, Biff."

I thought we were done with the fish puns.
September 22, 2011 2:05 PM - Bedstuymaven
I have a song brewing. My parent bought my house, now I have a mortgage and can't afford artisan cheese. Daddy, I want and an Amex so I can shop at Baltazar's. Please.
September 22, 2011 2:06 PM - Donatella
Bxgrl, you have a point about prisoners having networks and being dangerous. Because protection should be the criteria. But those people need to be isolated and the prisons can do that. Re the $$$ argument, that one is problematic. You may not like it but if we start executing people to save money......hmmm..... not sure that's where we want to be going.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:06 PM
September 22, 2011 2:08 PM - MontroseMorris
For what it's worth, Buffalo is a beautiful city, architecturally. Lots of great turn of the century buildings, and great housing stock. There's even some Frank Lloyd Wright. There used to be a lot of money up there, and there are a lot of beautiful old neighborhoods. Unfortunately, after the industry left, so did the money, and the inner city parts are awful.

If you don't like snow and cold weather, it's not the place to be. Otherwise, there are worse places.
September 22, 2011 2:10 PM - Donatella
ok, Arkady, you're on.

Kens, good luck with everything.

Bxgrl, need to amend my response....I wrote "you may not like it" and I meant you may not like the idea of your taxes paying to support someone who committed a heinous crime......but that the $$$ argument takes us down the wrong road, in my opinion.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:10 PM
September 22, 2011 2:10 PM - bxgrl
No, dona. Not to save money- I want incontrovertible proof someone is guilty- no more Troy Davises. Like someone said earlier, I'd rather see 10 guilty men go free than put one innocent man to death.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:10 PM
September 22, 2011 2:11 PM - Donatella
Kens, MM, my cousin taught at SUNY up there. He was very happy there. He's now in San Antonio; I guess he is balancing out his life weather-wise.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:11 PM
September 22, 2011 2:13 PM - Donatella
ok, bxgrl, so what you are saying then is that you believe in the death penalty for guilty people of capital crimes.
September 22, 2011 2:16 PM - Bedstuymaven
Buffalo is lovely. I have a house there. Lot of working being done with historic preservation and revitalization of the city.
September 22, 2011 2:18 PM - Kensingtonian
Thanks MM. I heard that about Buffalo but never been in the city. Looking at Google Maps, it looks like a fairly decent city with transportation options and restaurants and I heard from locals that it's pretty decent place to live (some parts, not all).

Unfortunately I go to the suburbs straight from Buffalo airport and never have a chance to wonder around. If they ever decide to move my behind there, I'll definitely do my homework to decide whether I actually want to live in Buffalo or suburbs.

I was there in August and we went to like an Erie canal cruise which is based in Lockport, NY and I got to drive around Lockport. It looked like Victorian Flatbush. Lots of beautiful colonials but lots of them are not upkept :o/.

Question for all...In your opinion, is upstate NY (Buffalo Area) mostly Republican or Democrat? Doesn't matter much to me but just wondering.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:18 PM
September 22, 2011 2:20 PM - bxgrl
Dona- I understood what you meant. I guess my point was what do we, as a society with limited resources want to spent money on? I know this opens up a whole can of worms but I am talking about specific, limited instances, not making blanket policies. There are some people who have committed heinous crimes and have spent years trying to make up for it. I believe people can change and in a real, not religious way, I believe that people are able to redeem themselves.
September 22, 2011 2:21 PM - bxgrl
Kens, mostly Republican :(
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:21 PM
September 22, 2011 2:22 PM - dibs
You can't generalize, especially around the bigger cities like Albany & Buffalo. Albany has been run by the Dems since 1918.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:25 PM
September 22, 2011 2:23 PM - petebklyn
kens has his goat to keep him warm no matter where he goes. besides buffalo won't feel cold and snowy to a mongolian or siberian or russki or wherever he's from.
September 22, 2011 2:24 PM - Kensingtonian
That's what I figured bxgrl. As long as they are not the crazies like Bachmann and co., I can handle that. :o)
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:24 PM
September 22, 2011 2:26 PM - dibs
Carl Palladino came from Buffalo.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:26 PM
September 22, 2011 2:26 PM - Deleted
carl who?
September 22, 2011 2:26 PM - Bedstuymaven
Question for all...In your opinion, is upstate NY (Buffalo Area) mostly Republican or Democrat? Doesn't matter much to me but just wondering.

Look at the party affiliation of elected officials upstate
September 22, 2011 2:26 PM - Kensingtonian
Yeah, I can handle the snow. Plus it's pretty much car culture. You spend the winter outdoor only to shovel snow and the walk between house/car, car/office, car/movies, car/restaurants. so I am fine with that.

I much rather live in colder climates than hot climates. If I had a choice between Buffalo and Florida, I'd take Buffalo. My brethren Biffers survived Toronto so I think I can survive Buffalo if need be.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:26 PM
September 22, 2011 2:27 PM - petebklyn
city itself will be democrat and suburbs republican. even though buffalo gave us paladino...a nutcase for sure...
I don't think the typical upstate republican is teabagger or 'born again christian'.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:27 PM
September 22, 2011 2:29 PM - dibs
If it's an older city, chances are the city itself (as opposed to the suburban areas) will be Democrats. The suburban areas though may well be Republican. This is the situation in Albany and probably Buffalo too.

The Dems running Albany for so long is why real estate taxes are so high
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:29 PM
September 22, 2011 2:30 PM - bxgrl
pete- I agree. They are more conservative but not extreme
September 22, 2011 2:31 PM - petebklyn
"The Dems running Albany for so long is why real estate taxes are so high" -- as opposed to Long Island run by republicans most of the time?
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:30 PM
September 22, 2011 2:32 PM - petebklyn
chicken wings, hockey, football.
September 22, 2011 2:34 PM - dibs
I don't know from Lon Gisland
September 22, 2011 2:35 PM - Kensingtonian
ooooh yeah I forgot hockey. I'll probably be able to afford season tix to Sabres game as opposed to MSG where I can't even afford a pre-season single game tickets.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:35 PM
September 22, 2011 2:37 PM - petebklyn
little buffalo area history
"Ararat (now known as Grand Island) in 1825. major Mordecai Manuel Noah, a prominent Hebrew, purchased 2,555 acres on Grand Island for $10,000 and endeavored to establish a city of refuge for Jews of all nations who were being subjected to oppression."
September 22, 2011 2:38 PM - Bedstuymaven
Buffalo and Erie County is democratic. Allegheny county which is more suburban is republican.
September 22, 2011 2:38 PM - minard lafever
bloodbath on wall street.
here comes the second dip.

September 22, 2011 2:42 PM - dibs
Anyone want to go to mexico????? Look at the peso!!!!!!!!!
September 22, 2011 2:44 PM - dibs
Why should I bother, "mexico" is coming to me tonight.
September 22, 2011 2:45 PM - petebklyn
what are safe places to go in mexico now? I would think Yucatan area is safe, no?
September 22, 2011 2:46 PM - dibs
I think Cuernavaca is safe and the yucatan.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:46 PM
September 22, 2011 2:49 PM - petebklyn
oaxaca I think good.. female friend of mine has been few times lately...Stays in a house by herself outside of town. (house owned by friends of her who also live in bklyn) she loves it.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:49 PM
September 22, 2011 2:50 PM - Kensingtonian
lol Pete. Grand Island is middle of no where but really nice properties out there.

RE Porn of the Day (Grand Island edition)

http://www.trulia.com/property/3058287931-2680-Bedell-Rd-Grand-Island-NY-14072

Edited at September 22, 2011 2:50 PM
September 22, 2011 2:53 PM - dibs
Anyway, why bother??? It's not like I can't get good mexican food and hot mexicans here.
September 22, 2011 2:54 PM - Bedstuymaven
DIBs - What is your favorite place for Mexican food in NY?
September 22, 2011 2:55 PM - Kensingtonian
Pete, was in Playa del Carmen in July and it seemed pretty safe.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:55 PM
September 22, 2011 2:55 PM - Donatella
Cuenavaca 30 minutes Southwest of Mexico City..... :( I was pretty interested in that beautiful house delepp posted there for 880,000. It was a Mediterranean style PALACE. Massive. The people with money want to LEAVE.
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:55 PM
September 22, 2011 2:56 PM - Deleted
i don't understand why rosa mexicano always makes the best mexican in nyc lists. food is mediocre and they're all decorated in tacky 90s "modern" style.
September 22, 2011 2:57 PM - dibs
Actually, it's in Philly, BSM. After losing manana way up on 1st Ave, the good mexican is lacking here. Philly has much better authentic mexican now. I suppose if i were to travel to Queens and other places I'd find some, but why bother!!!! I can also get a very authentic burrito or tacos from a street truck by my office.

I think the key to whether a resataurant is good would be the chicken enchiladas suizas
Edited at September 22, 2011 2:57 PM
September 22, 2011 2:57 PM - petebklyn
grand island too flat for the goat.
but nice house...less than 10k for taxes....add insurance, maint, snow plowing, utilities...could still be under 4k per month. Would fit a huge russian extended family.
September 22, 2011 3:00 PM - dibs
My neighbor in carversville owns this place on Soliman Bay near Tulim on the Caribbean coast....



http://www.casabuenasuerte.net/
Edited at September 22, 2011 3:00 PM
September 22, 2011 3:00 PM - bxgrl
I'm russian, Pete. maybe kens will take me in? ;-)
Edited at September 22, 2011 3:00 PM
September 22, 2011 3:01 PM - dibs
Rosa is mediocre.
September 22, 2011 3:01 PM - bxgrl
I can be a nanny. I can cook potato latkes. I'm sure I can find a failed commie in my family.
September 22, 2011 3:02 PM - Deleted
"I think the key to whether a resataurant is good would be the chicken enchiladas suizas"

mole sauce is a good indicator too

or if they have beef tongue anywhere on the menu
Edited at September 22, 2011 3:02 PM
September 22, 2011 3:02 PM - Bedstuymaven
I can also get a very authentic burrito or tacos from a street truck by my office.

i am finding the only places to get good Mexican are in neighborhoods with lots of Mexicans or from trucks and carts.
Edited at September 22, 2011 3:02 PM
September 22, 2011 3:03 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Lupes on 6th ave and watts in soho has great enchiladas suizas
September 22, 2011 3:04 PM - dibs
Yes, definitely lengua...but hard to find

Places in Philly have it and it's wonderful.



September 22, 2011 3:06 PM - Deleted
some of the hole in the wall taquerias in bushwick are pretty good - there was a post on the bushwickbk blog a while back that gmapped and reviewed them. been meaning to do a taco crawl for a while now
September 22, 2011 3:09 PM - Deleted
dibs - la superior in WB has lengua on their menu regularly, but only in taco form. good stuff.
September 22, 2011 3:14 PM - dibs
Situation is that I won't bother to travel anymore in NYC when I can get really good Mexican not far from me in Philly. Taquerias are on Washington and 9th, Xocitl is on Pine and 2nd and El Rey is on Sansome and 20th...I'm on 12th and Pine. They are all Mexican owned. Elrey's chef/owner started at vetri!!!
September 22, 2011 3:14 PM - Bedstuymaven
Foreclosed "Real Housewives" homes for sale.

http://www.zillow.com/blog/2011-08-31/real-estate-woes-of-real-housewives/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emm-092211_SeptBuzzRealityHomes-housewives
Edited at September 22, 2011 3:14 PM
September 22, 2011 3:27 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
taco crawl

seriously, what is it with moonfaces and their crawls? it's like grow up already, youre not in a sorority anymore.


*rob*

September 22, 2011 3:34 PM - dibs
Worst day ever in the market!!!!
September 22, 2011 3:36 PM - dibs
Biff, was your question brought about by the CERN lab's discovery that a neutrino can move at a speed faster than light?????
September 22, 2011 3:37 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
that's how i feel everytime i go to the supermarket and see the prices have risen once again!

*rob*

September 22, 2011 3:42 PM - petebklyn
is neutrino the mexican that is coming over tonight?
September 22, 2011 3:47 PM - dibs
My friends call him "the beefy chalupa"
Edited at September 22, 2011 3:47 PM
September 22, 2011 4:03 PM - BoerumHillScott
The market ended up from it's lows by a good bit, but sill a very crappy day.
September 22, 2011 4:03 PM - dibs
You can say that again, worst loss ever for me!!!!!
September 22, 2011 4:05 PM - BoerumHillScott
I've had a few worse days this year, largely because I am short silver right now, and it went down a lot today.
Edited at September 22, 2011 4:05 PM
September 22, 2011 4:05 PM - dibs
They have finished the boring of the 2 mile stretch from 92nd st to 63rd street, the first of three legs of the 2nd Ave subway. the next two legs remain unfunded!!!!
September 22, 2011 4:09 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
5th avenue in park slope needs a subway WAAAAAAAAAAY more than than 2nd avenue on the UES. i know the UES is more important, but still.

*rob*

September 22, 2011 4:11 PM - BoerumHillScott
Just another 5-6 years until the tunnels they finished boring today are active.
Amazing and sad how long it takes to build things now.

I doubt I will see any part of the second avenue subway south of 63rd in my lifetime.

I will be lucky to see Phase 2 from 92nd to 125th.
September 22, 2011 4:13 PM - BoerumHillScott
5th avenue in Park Slope used to have an elevated line over it.

The Lexington line though the UES is overcrowded and running at full capacity.

The 4th avenue line still has plenty of spare capacity, if the MTA had the money to run more trains through it.
September 22, 2011 4:13 PM - petebklyn
"They have finished the boring of the 2 mile stretch ".....when will they finish the exciting 2 mile stretch?
Edited at September 22, 2011 4:13 PM
September 22, 2011 4:16 PM - BoerumHillScott
Is there anything exciting between 63rd and 92nd in the UES?
September 22, 2011 4:18 PM - dibs
A lot more exciting stuff between 63rd and 92nd than in most parts of Brooklyn, especially Boerum Hill. Does Boerum Hill even run 30 blocks?????

LOL
Edited at September 22, 2011 4:18 PM
September 22, 2011 4:21 PM - BoerumHillScott
Boerum Hill is hardly 30 blocks total.
I guess our biggest excitement is annual Atlantic Antic festival and a few decent restaurants on Smith.
Edited at September 22, 2011 4:21 PM
September 22, 2011 4:21 PM - dibs
Yup, that's about it. No Citarella, no fairway, no Eli's, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc
September 22, 2011 4:25 PM - dibs
And there are brownstones up there as well. Problem is they cost between $4.0 and $40.0 MILLION. Funny how that is in a more boring neighborhood!!!!!
September 22, 2011 4:26 PM - denton
"And serious question for bxgrl and MM...How is the white supremacist any different from a gangbanger who did a drive by and killed an innocent bystander? "

Actually, I would say there's a difference. While the result is the same, the motive is different. I'd vote for death for #1, life for #2.
Edited at September 22, 2011 4:26 PM
September 22, 2011 4:27 PM - dibs
denton, you're getting soft in your old age you Libertarian, you.
September 22, 2011 4:31 PM - BoerumHillScott
I actually like the UES a lot, although I like the UWS even more.

UWS was our first choice for neighborhoods, and we looked at many apartments there and UES.
Then we we saw the bang we could get for the buck here with an even better commute.
September 22, 2011 4:36 PM - Bedstuymaven
s there anything exciting between 63rd and 92nd in the UES?
Local stops on the 6 train at 59th, 68th and 86th - then 96th Street.. ,
Edited at September 22, 2011 4:36 PM
September 22, 2011 4:36 PM - bxgrl
I agree with denton. Yes, drive bys know innocent people can die, so they show a reckless disregard. But Brewer acted with intent and motive. And they made that poor man suffer horribly while they dragged him 3 miles. Then the sonofabitch claims he didn't do anything but drive the car. I wish he had choked on the bbq he ate after they dumped the body.
September 22, 2011 4:37 PM - Deleted
UES is snoresville
September 22, 2011 4:45 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
the UES is the most rapiest neighborhood in nyc

*rob*

September 22, 2011 4:47 PM - Arkady
UES is golden ghetto for docs
September 22, 2011 4:53 PM - Bedstuymaven
UES is golden ghetto for docs

Arkady - how can you say that about the silk stocking district?
Edited at September 22, 2011 4:53 PM
September 22, 2011 4:55 PM - ij
Those huge tower apartments on 2nd Ave with the liquor stores on street level - those to me are the worst kind of anonymous city living, comfortable as they may be inside.
September 22, 2011 4:56 PM - Arkady
Silk surgical stockings...
September 22, 2011 4:58 PM - Bedstuymaven
Silk surgical stockings... - those cotton ones are really ugly
September 22, 2011 5:02 PM - DeadCatBounce
They started building the 2nd Av subway the year before I was born.
Edited at September 22, 2011 5:02 PM
September 22, 2011 5:03 PM - Donatella
I lived on the upper east side for 9 years. Upper, upper. Basically walkup tenement housing for the erstwhile Ruppert Brewery, once on 3rd in the low '90s. I lived on 1st and 90th. Where I was was blue collar, still a lot of Italian families. It was the confluence of the Italian neighborhood that used to be in East Harlem and the resident German neighborhood that was Yorkville. It was sleepy, nice. Now it has changed, but has none of the excitement of Brooklyn. But I used to walk to the Museums and the park or go to Carl Shurz park on the East river by Gracie Mansion. Now it is high rise city and strangely... you can find better deals than lots of places in Brooklyn. Unfortunately we got a drug dealer in the storefront below me and everything changed. In the end, it forced me to buy a coop in Brooklyn Heights, which was a good thing.
Edited at September 22, 2011 5:03 PM
September 22, 2011 5:06 PM - Bedstuymaven
They started building the 2nd Av subway the year before I was born. - With any luck, they will finish it before you die.
September 22, 2011 5:10 PM - Donatella
Happiness.

I just managed to unload 50 books on the Brooklyn Public Library, Grand Army Plaza. AND I got a receipt for my taxes. I had a frustrating experience at the Brooklyn Heights Branch two weeks ago. The BPL changed its policy in July. I called the BH branch, they told me bring them in, they accept books between 10-2 on Fridays. Fine. So I got there and it was a Friends group that took the books (did NOT give tax receipts) and sold them at a sale with proceeds going to the library.

So I was annoyed that I did not get this info before I lugged the books there. But now, there is a Great American Book drive, which is also having a sale with proceeds going to the Library and accepting books till Oct 1 at the main branch. They were so nice there. They helped me since I was struggling with all of them, and gave me a tax receipt from the library. They were loose about it -- they stopped their policy of taking books for their own shelves but gave me the receipt anyway.

Bye bye books. I hope somebody else enjoys them now. They were clutter to me.
Edited at September 22, 2011 5:10 PM
September 22, 2011 5:10 PM - BoerumHillScott
As of 18 months ago, the lowest priced legit 2 bedroom I could find on the 4th floor of a walkup in the UES or UWS was $3200 a month, with the exception of a few blocks on the east side of 1st (meaning 10+ minute walk to the subway)

Taking into account amenities, size, and condition of the apartment, the worst deal I saw in Brooklyn was better than the best in Manhattan.

Edited at September 22, 2011 5:10 PM
September 22, 2011 5:13 PM - Arkady
Those are really looooong blocks going east/west & hideously cold & windy in the winter.
Edited at September 22, 2011 5:13 PM
September 22, 2011 5:15 PM - Bedstuymaven
Those are really looooong blocks going east/west & hideously cold & windy in the winter.

Tell me about it. Got blown across the street once. Almost got hit by a taxi. I was saved by a good Samaritan.
September 22, 2011 5:19 PM - Donatella
There are blocks of landmarked brownstones in the 60s running etween third and Park. NICE.

Living on 90th and 1st, I spent a considerable amount of my money on cabs. Walking from 1st and 90th to 86th and Lex for the 4/5/6 was a pain. I used to hop on the crosstown bus at 86th to get to the subway OR get on an express bus going down the FDR or cab it. $$$$$
They need that 2nd Ave subway.
September 22, 2011 5:20 PM - Arkady
Has everyone seen that there was another sexual assault last night in the Slope?
Prospect Avenue between 4th and 5th avenues around 10:15 pm.
September 22, 2011 5:28 PM - Bedstuymaven
Has everyone seen that there was another sexual assault last night in the Slope?
Prospect Avenue between 4th and 5th avenues around 10:15 pm.

I saw that. I wonder how the police department is handling it. Have they increased patrols and deployed more cops?
September 22, 2011 5:30 PM - Donatella
Yes, I did see that about the attack. Scary.
Edited at September 22, 2011 5:30 PM
September 22, 2011 5:38 PM - Biff Champion
Is there such a thing as a bad Samaritan? If so, why isn't that term ever used?
September 22, 2011 5:40 PM - Deleted
i think all samaritans were bad
Edited at September 22, 2011 5:40 PM
September 22, 2011 5:45 PM - Arkady
All the ones that passed by w/o stopping to help were bad!!!
September 22, 2011 5:49 PM - Bedstuymaven
Is there such a thing as a bad Samaritan? If so, why isn't that term ever used?

Arkady is right. In the story there was only one good Samaritan, all the rest were bad.
Edited at September 22, 2011 5:49 PM
September 22, 2011 5:53 PM - ij
It was verboten to mingle with Samaritans.
Edited at September 22, 2011 5:53 PM
September 22, 2011 5:58 PM - cobblehiller
"All the ones that passed by w/o stopping to help were bad!!!"

Arkady, Where are you reading about this? Link, please?
September 22, 2011 6:15 PM - dibs
People falling ill from bedbug pesticides
Edited at September 22, 2011 6:15 PM
September 22, 2011 6:18 PM - Bedstuymaven
Arkady, Where are you reading about this? Link, please?

Cobblle the story is from the bible. Actually, there was only one Samaritan in story. The other people who past the beaten, bleeding man on the road were not Samaritan. Infinitejester is correct. It was verboten for Jews to mingle with Samaritans. Bascially it is a story about being a good person and helping others without regard for group affiliation or creed.
September 22, 2011 6:20 PM - Bedstuymaven
Cobble -
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=NIV
Edited at September 22, 2011 6:20 PM
September 22, 2011 6:21 PM - cobblehiller
Ah, I thought you were talking about the news story of the woman that was sexually assaulted.
September 22, 2011 6:22 PM - dibs
Cobble,learn your bible you heathen.
September 22, 2011 6:28 PM - cobblehiller
I never claimed to NOT be a heathen! I did go to Sunday School for a little while when I was 7 or 8, but only because two cute boys I liked were going, too! : P
Edited at September 22, 2011 6:28 PM
September 22, 2011 6:33 PM - Bedstuymaven
I did go to Sunday School for a little while when I was 7 or 8, but only because two cute boys I liked were going, too! : -

Going to Sunday School because of a cute boy definitely qualifies you as a heathen. I am sending the troops over to hold a prayer vigil in front of your home. Lots of holy water and candles.
September 22, 2011 6:42 PM - cobblehiller
"Going to Sunday School because of a cute boy definitely qualifies you as a heathen. I am sending the troops over to hold a prayer vigil in front of your home. Lots of holy water and candles."

ROFL! I never claimed otherwise! I'll be on the stoop with my glass of wine to greet them! We can sing hymns or something — if they bring the lyrics! ; )
September 22, 2011 6:45 PM - minard lafever
new census figures show that one in five New Yorkers are living in poverty. The percentage is up to 20% from 18%.
that is sad news.

September 22, 2011 6:48 PM - Bedstuymaven
ROFL! I never claimed otherwise! I'll be on the stoop with my glass of wine to greet them! We can sing hymns or something — if they bring the lyrics! ; )

Wine. You mock us with wine. Your attitude calls for a full scale revival meeting. We will have to bring the drums and tambourines. remember now, you are the Jezebel that corrupted the elves. We will be out all night. No rest for the wicked. .
September 22, 2011 6:50 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
keep on letting moonfaces move here and that stat is gonna keep increasing! also the stats could be misleading. so many people move here with no job thus zero income thus they are technically "living in poverty" but are still getting their rent paid and money fro their parents every month. most truly poor people have been high tailing it out of the city for quite some time now...

*rob*

September 22, 2011 7:56 PM - cobblehiller
"Wine. You mock us with wine. Your attitude calls for a full scale revival meeting. We will have to bring the drums and tambourines. remember now, you are the Jezebel that corrupted the elves. We will be out all night. No rest for the wicked. ."

Moi? For shame! Well, maybe just a glass or two...a soupcon, if you please! Bring on the tent meeting! I'll call the City and get the permit! I'll bake treats! Anyone that wants to come over here and pray for my eternal soul is welcome with open arms!! But just fyi, although I may possibly be just a little bit wicked...I have never consorted with elves!! : P
September 22, 2011 8:01 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: rob, just posted something for you in the booth.....
Edited at September 22, 2011 8:01 PM
September 22, 2011 8:01 PM - cobblehiller
Not for me, I hope. In any case, I won't be going over there.
Edited at September 22, 2011 8:01 PM
September 22, 2011 8:04 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: just a sexy shot of hannah montana aka miley cyrus
September 22, 2011 8:05 PM - cobblehiller
Not my cup of tea, randi. Seriously, I have enough lunacy in my life right now.
September 22, 2011 8:16 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
ha randi. that pic of miley is the ONLY hot pic in that thread in the booth! and ew @ daves pic of that man spread on the bed. the guys has a seriously greasy butthole. ick!

*rob*

September 22, 2011 9:15 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Forgot to mention this...patrols by police are up around here. Since the night of the Take Back Our Streets march, the police have been parked on the corner of 5th Ave and 18th street in a squad car. Tonight, they have out a HUGE van parked at the corner of 5th Ave and Prospect Ave. In about 5 minutes and within a 2.5 block walk, I saw 5 cops riding, milling about. Excellent. Go, 72nd Precinct, Go!
Edited at September 22, 2011 9:15 PM
September 22, 2011 9:29 PM - cobblehiller
Very glad to hear it, Snaps! Please be safe!
Edited at September 22, 2011 9:30 PM
September 22, 2011 9:44 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
for what it's worth i dont think these sexual assaults are getting the media attention they deserve. i mean it IS, locally... on the internet and stuff, and i only saw it once on the news so far, local news. about to have dinner and watch some tv and then come back and give out the october *rob*oscopes.


*rob*

Edited at September 22, 2011 9:44 PM
September 22, 2011 9:50 PM - Donatella
Yeah, be careful Snappy. It is amazing, these crazy people, how compulsive they are, knowing the police coverage, the local attendtion. Good night, everyone.

September 22, 2011 10:29 PM - cobblehiller
I have received a report from one of my informants that 3 asshats were spotted walking the streets of Cobble Hill this evening!
September 22, 2011 10:42 PM - Arkady
Oy! PLUSA sighting in the Slope as well...
Edited at September 22, 2011 10:42 PM
September 22, 2011 11:10 PM - ij
Everyone knows to sit next to a hot person you like during the passing of the peace, so they have to talk to you. Cobble is totally right in that regard. At least her two cute boys liked to think about the meaning of life.
September 22, 2011 11:33 PM - MontroseMorris
"I have received a report from one of my informants that 3 asshats were spotted walking the streets of Cobble Hill this evening!"

Who was your informant? Two of the asshats were slumming. The other one was a tour guide.